Remember the GS review that got pulled?

Zero7Zero7 Join Date: 2002-03-10 Member: 301Members
edited November 2012 in NS2 General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">Eric Neigher makes an apology.</div><a href="http://millioneigher.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/reviewer-blue/?preview=true&preview_id=1&preview_nonce=c784fc18b2" target="_blank">Here's the link.</a>

Part of me wants to say it seems half-hearted. The other half of me recalls the current Pendragon fiasco with the DotA community and thinks, "Hey, at least he didn't take 3 years AND he owned up to his mistake... unlike Pendragon"

Discuss away.

Edit: If you were curious, here's the original article (Mobile version is the only one I could find): <a href="http://m.gamespot.com/natural-selection-2/reviews/natural-selection-2-review-6399575/" target="_blank">clicky.</a>

Comments

  • tarquinbbtarquinbb Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166314Members
    he didn't exactly swallow his pride though... the review getting pulled meant he couldn't hide behind the fact that his review was unfair.

    in which categories does he judge NS2 to be derserving of a <5 rating to drag the average down to a 6/10??? hell if i know... the only categories i can see are safe 8's and that's being totally impartial and honestly comparing it to any other game.


    the gaming industry has no need for subjective reviews, we need to know how good the game is compared to the other games available. the guy threw away reason and made his own scale to make the game look bad - without his balls-up, NS2 would be at 82% on gamerankings.com - only 3-4% behind assassins creed 3, halo 4 and blackops 2.
  • NeokenNeoken Bruges, Belgium Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27447Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Playtester
    If Metacritic sees this, the reviewer itself owing up to his mistakes, and they still decide not to alter the score, they're far worse than Eric ever could be.
  • godriflegodrifle Join Date: 2006-12-01 Member: 58815Members
    edited November 2012
    I tried to leave a comment on his blog and then it says "waiting for moderation approval"... so take whatever comments you see on his blog with a grain of salt.

    -EDIT: Let me retract my statement. He's approved of all the messages apparently. If you take issue with his review, I suggest you leave a comment for him to reply to. He even replied to "you suck".
  • peregrinusperegrinus Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72445Members
    edited November 2012
    He doesn't have high standards if he stands by that review except for the 'two factual inaccuracies'. He does not address at all WHY he made those errors. How long did he play the game before writing? He hasn't given readers any reassurance he won't do the same again.

    What does he mean 'If my writing to Metacritic would get the score changed, I would do it, <b>despite my belief in the fundamental accuracy</b> of the review.'

    Something is accurate or it isn't. No such thing as fundamental accuracy. He must mean his opinion of the game is the same, which isn't a matter of accuracy. Again, the same problem of objectivity.
  • current1yoldcurrent1yold Join Date: 2012-09-10 Member: 158911Members
    He said he played about 8 hours of the game.
  • zeepzeep Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3367Members
    Metacritic won't change the score. Sucks.
  • Zero7Zero7 Join Date: 2002-03-10 Member: 301Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2025827:date=Nov 16 2012, 12:34 PM:name=zeep)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (zeep @ Nov 16 2012, 12:34 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2025827"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Metacritic won't change the score. Sucks.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    They did add in an Editor's Note, stating it was the first review (as per their policy) which suggests there's another review and that the current score/review they accepted is outdated. While it's more than they were obligated to do, it still identifies various issues and problems with both metacritic and how game reviews are currently done. I can think of one possible solution to both - but we're looking at a problem that is wide-spread throughout video game journalism. A major paradigm shift needs to occur within the VG journalism and reporting industry to reflect the current needs of the rapidly growing VG community and industry.

    I see this as a problem linked to major publishers. Thankfully, we're seeing the rise of the indie dev over the last couple years - with this, I'm hoping we see more influential "indie" voices in VG journalism circles. Basically a shift in VG journalism that reflects the current/future situation with rising indie game devs.
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    <!--quoteo(post=2025838:date=Nov 16 2012, 10:43 AM:name=Zero7)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zero7 @ Nov 16 2012, 10:43 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2025838"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->They did add in an Editor's Note, stating it was the first review (as per their policy) which suggests there's another review and that the current score/review they accepted is outdated. While it's more than they were obligated to do, it still identifies various issues and problems with both metacritic and how game reviews are currently done. I can think of one possible solution to both - but we're looking at a problem that is wide-spread throughout video game journalism. A major paradigm shift needs to occur within the VG journalism and reporting industry to reflect the current needs of the rapidly growing VG community and industry.

    I see this as a problem linked to major publishers. Thankfully, we're seeing the rise of the indie dev over the last couple years - with this, I'm hoping we see more influential "indie" voices in VG journalism circles. Basically a shift in VG journalism that reflects the current/future situation with rising indie game devs.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I still don't see why the GS score can't simply be removed from the average. I can understand their policy as a disincentive for reviewers to change scores after the fact and mess up their rating, but if the reviewer wants to pull the first review they should at least have an option to be removed from the discussion entirely. Lots of people only look at the aggregate score and not why that score is what it is. If the whole point of the policy is to keep the integrity of the meta-score on a site named "Metacritic" intact it's certainly backfired in this case.
  • tk-421tk-421 Join Date: 2006-11-03 Member: 58315Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    "THE OFFICIAL BLOG OF ERIC NEIGHER FANS AROUND THE WORLD."

    Really? -_-
  • nauwranauwra Join Date: 2008-05-04 Member: 64210Members
    If someone uses a game review site like metacritic instead of watching a gameplay vid in order to decide on a purchase, they're not the type of player I want on my team in NS.

    Kinda like the kid from a game yesterday asking everyone "do I know you from COD?" while running a hot mic diarrhea faucet verbalizing every thought he had about the map/situations.
  • bERt0rbERt0r Join Date: 2005-03-23 Member: 46181Members
    edited November 2012
    After reading his review for the first time - it was already pulled when i heard about it - I think you are overreacting a bit. Yes, his critique was quite harsh and I dont agree with the score but the arguments he makes are very valid. Compared to most other full price games, NS2 lacks in certain departments, namly the technical difficulties and the lack of a newbie tutorial.
    If you are thrown inside the NS universe and dont have a clue about what to do, chances are wont experience the strengths of the game and underrate it.
    What I find strange is the way Metacritic computes the score. The mean value of the scores would be 80,75...
  • senbonsenbon Join Date: 2012-08-07 Member: 154929Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2025934:date=Nov 16 2012, 06:58 PM:name=bERt0r)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bERt0r @ Nov 16 2012, 06:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2025934"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->(snipsnip)
    What I find strange is the way Metacritic computes the score. The mean value of the scores would be 80,75...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Sadly, each individual score on Metacritic is weighted. Thus, sites like GameSpot are considered more important than others, bringing the whole average value down :<.

    Source.
    <a href="http://www.metacritic.com/about-metascores" target="_blank">How We Create the Metascore Magic</a>
    (hilarious title, I know...)
  • B1llyB1lly Join Date: 2004-02-18 Member: 26653Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2025912:date=Nov 16 2012, 06:42 PM:name=nauwra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nauwra @ Nov 16 2012, 06:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2025912"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If someone uses a game review site like metacritic instead of watching a gameplay vid in order to decide on a purchase, they're not the type of player I want on my team in NS.

    Kinda like the kid from a game yesterday asking everyone "do I know you from COD?" while running a hot mic diarrhea faucet verbalizing every thought he had about the map/situations.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    you should also count that for the compulsive shopping (don't know if it's the right term) you will be sometimes headed towards an high score better than a lower one.
    steam sales are near
  • tarquinbbtarquinbb Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166314Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2025912:date=Nov 16 2012, 05:42 PM:name=nauwra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nauwra @ Nov 16 2012, 05:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2025912"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If someone uses a game review site like metacritic instead of watching a gameplay vid in order to decide on a purchase, they're not the type of player I want on my team in NS.

    Kinda like the kid from a game yesterday asking everyone "do I know you from COD?" while running a hot mic diarrhea faucet verbalizing every thought he had about the map/situations.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    i agree with this....

    besidees - metacritic is utter crap, it accepts 'user reviews' and critic reviews from very 'questionable' sources... it's worse at its job than a chocolate teapot. simply put - metacritic is garbage and i rate it a 0/10.

    gamerankings is far superior, i have no idea why metacritic has more rep... maybe because of steam linking directly to metacritic?
  • RuntehRunteh Join Date: 2010-06-26 Member: 72163Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I don't believe he played 8 hours of the game, that is a bs exaggeration.

    Where does he have some good action screenshots? That is right, he has none.

    To me it looks like he joined a really empty server and took a screenie of half a Lerk in the readroom and some of the infestation.
  • Onii-chanOnii-chan Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7164Members
    Agreed^

    Anyway, he's still full of himself and quite butthurt that GS will probably never outsource reviews to him again.
  • MMZ_TorakMMZ_Torak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3770Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2025934:date=Nov 16 2012, 12:58 PM:name=bERt0r)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bERt0r @ Nov 16 2012, 12:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2025934"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->After reading his review for the first time - it was already pulled when i heard about it - I think you are overreacting a bit. Yes, his critique was quite harsh and I dont agree with the score but the arguments he makes are very valid. Compared to most other full price games, NS2 lacks in certain departments, namly the technical difficulties and the lack of a newbie tutorial.
    If you are thrown inside the NS universe and dont have a clue about what to do, chances are wont experience the strengths of the game and underrate it.
    What I find strange is the way Metacritic computes the score. The mean value of the scores would be 80,75...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Considering the state of games today (cookie cutters of each other, yes I am looking at all you boring modern military shooters) I will give you that the game lacks a "newbie" tutorial and may not be the most newbie friendly game out there. Beyond that, few games are much of a challenge anymore; they are all more time sinks to get grind out good gear. Thank god for NS2. Having to learn about a game is not a Bad Thingâ„¢. And frankly, if someone is that scared to lose or get beat up in game that they won't jump in and learn to play, I won't miss them.

    His initial review seems to smack of just the type of person that loves COD: LXXI Now with MOAR GUNZ! and can't be bothered to learn about the game. NS2 may not be for everyone, and that is fine. Sadly most games seem to be more interested in selling boxes than providing a lasting and deep game play environment.

    I am even more leery when a game reviewer comments on aliens "seeing through their mouths" and complains about players shouting "unintelligible Natural Selection cant". It starts to sound like "I got owned therefore this game sucks".

    All in all, the initial review appears ill-informed and poorly tested. The "retraction" seems forced and insincere. I do not believe the reviewer was being intentionally malicious; but negligent in his initial review.
  • ritualsacrificeritualsacrifice Join Date: 2012-11-14 Member: 171148Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=2026028:date=Nov 16 2012, 11:25 AM:name=MMZ_Torak)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MMZ_Torak @ Nov 16 2012, 11:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2026028"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I am even more leery when a game reviewer comments on aliens <b>"seeing through their mouths"</b> and complains about players shouting "unintelligible Natural Selection cant". It starts to sound like "I got owned therefore this game sucks".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I think that throws a LOT of people off at first. I know I certainly wasn't a fan, especially for the gorge. It's something that, over time, you realize doesn't make any difference.. but it used to drive me ###### crazy.
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