Building a PC

SockemSockem Join Date: 2011-04-11 Member: 92562Members
edited November 2012 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">Building PC. Help me! :D</div>I am currently trying to build a budget pc that will average 60 FPS and get 30 MINIMUM on medium textures.

Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor $219.99
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler $28.98
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel $105
Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $39.99
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $69.99
XFX Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card $231.98
Cougar Solution (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $39.99
XFX Core 550W PSU. $70
Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer $19.99
Total: about $754

Will this achieve the FPS I am asking for?

*edit* CPU clock looks good to me, but it is OCable if need be
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  • g0dAr1esg0dAr1es Join Date: 2012-11-15 Member: 171558Members
    Just as a quick noob question. Does this game even utilize multiple cores?
  • extolloextollo Ping Blip Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72457Members
    yep. i basically have that same system except i got a gtx 660 & have an ssd for the os.. ns2 is running off that same drive you have though.
    i'm not oc'ing currently & at 1680x1050 i'm avg 60+ when i've measured. i havent done an official benchmark though. you might check that thread for systems similar to yours.
  • SockemSockem Join Date: 2011-04-11 Member: 92562Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2030639:date=Nov 20 2012, 07:53 PM:name=g0dAr1es)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (g0dAr1es @ Nov 20 2012, 07:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030639"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just as a quick noob question. Does this game even utilize multiple cores?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It can utilize up to 8

    besides, even if it didnt need a quad, i would get the quad anyways, because this system isnt <i></i>specifically<i></i> for NS2, though the horrible framerate the game gave me, gave me a wakeup call to get a new system for my passion of gaming.
  • SockemSockem Join Date: 2011-04-11 Member: 92562Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2030644:date=Nov 20 2012, 07:56 PM:name=extollo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (extollo @ Nov 20 2012, 07:56 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030644"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->yep. i basically have that same system except i got a gtx 660 & have an ssd for the os.. ns2 is running off that same drive you have though.
    i'm not oc'ing currently & at 1680x1050 i'm avg 60+ when i've measured. i havent done an official benchmark though. you might check that thread for systems similar to yours.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    alright, I will get the parts in january.
  • purephoenixpurephoenix Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172074Members
    That motherboard is trash, pick a more expensive one. Mate's got it and is limitted to 4.2/4.6 ghtz OC because FSB only goes to 105 or 110mhtz.

    Some vendors offer 3gb VRAM cards, that'll do you better for large resolutions than raw clock speed
    Also you want to leave some breathing space in your PSU, grab a 700w.

    Otherwise, looking good on the choices.
  • DavilDavil Florida, USA Join Date: 2012-08-14 Member: 155602Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=2030634:date=Nov 20 2012, 04:48 PM:name=Sockem)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sockem @ Nov 20 2012, 04:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030634"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I am currently trying to build a budget pc that will average 60 FPS and get 30 MINIMUM on medium textures.

    Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor $219.99
    Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler $28.98
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel $105
    Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $39.99
    Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $69.99
    XFX Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card $231.98
    Cougar Solution (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $39.99
    XFX Core 550W PSU. $70
    Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer $19.99
    Total: about $754

    Will this achieve the FPS I am asking for?

    *edit* CPU clock looks good to me, but it is OCable if need be<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I wouldn't bother with the special cpu cooler, especially not a $29 one unless intel stopped shipping their processors with the fan included. The stock fans are typically pretty good to be honest even if you're overclocking, and with an i5 you really shouldn't have any heat issues.

    Never heard of ASRock motherboards, so I'd be weary of that. Brands like MSI and ASUS have done right by me for many years.

    For memory take a good look at the compatible memory list of the motherboard you are buying and ensure you have something that is known to work before you buy it. Memory is one of the easiest things to screw up on and can cause a ton of problems. I've had issues where a .1v difference between what the motherboard manufacturer recommends and what I had was causing a lot of issues.

    For the graphics card, I like Nvidia but it's just a preference. A 7870 can run battlefield 3 around 60fps on 1920x1080 with high graphics so you should be ok here.

    I prefer full tower cases, more room for cooling and expansion. With a midtower you have to wonder whether or not you'll have enough room for your video card or other parts to fit. Also a larger case means better airflow so that's something you should consider.

    Other than that looks ok to me.
  • purephoenixpurephoenix Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172074Members
    Battlefield 3 is a DirectX9 game designed to run on the Xbox, which is 7-9 year old technology.
    Don't ever, ever use console ports as a PC benchmark/indicator.
  • g0dAr1esg0dAr1es Join Date: 2012-11-15 Member: 171558Members
    My set-up:

    GIGABYTE GA-990XA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990X SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
    HIS IceQ X Turbo H695QNT2G2M Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready
    Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-750 750W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS
    AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition Thuban 3.3GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor
    G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory

    Runs at a solid 50-60 fps. (In game setting it shows 75-80)
  • g0dAr1esg0dAr1es Join Date: 2012-11-15 Member: 171558Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2030659:date=Nov 20 2012, 05:10 PM:name=purephoenix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purephoenix @ Nov 20 2012, 05:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030659"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Battlefield 3 is a DirectX9 game designed to run on the Xbox, which is 7-9 year old technology.
    Don't ever, ever use console ports as a PC benchmark/indicator.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Dont ever think you understand something when clearly you do not.

    Battlefield 3 is not a console port. PC was the lead platform
    Many benchmarks (if not all) websites use Battlefield 3 as a comparison along with other games and tools.
  • purephoenixpurephoenix Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172074Members
    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_3" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_3</a>
    <a href="http://www.battlefield.com/au/battlefield3/xbox-360" target="_blank">http://www.battlefield.com/au/battlefield3/xbox-360</a>

    log/eye much?
  • SockemSockem Join Date: 2011-04-11 Member: 92562Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2030663:date=Nov 20 2012, 08:14 PM:name=g0dAr1es)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (g0dAr1es @ Nov 20 2012, 08:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030663"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->My set-up:

    GIGABYTE GA-990XA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990X SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
    HIS IceQ X Turbo H695QNT2G2M Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready
    Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-750 750W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS
    AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition Thuban 3.3GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor
    G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory

    Runs at a solid 50-60 fps. (In game setting it shows 75-80)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    How much did you pay for that?
  • purephoenixpurephoenix Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172074Members
    I priced a UD3 yesterday, $99.... if it's specifically for best NS2 performance tho you'll want a bulldozer, since it uses all 8 cores. The 8150 black you can get for $200. Rest you can research yourself :P Worked out to be almost 800 with a 660ti 2gb and 1gb seagate hdd, generic case, low-end corsair 700w case (Still certified)
  • g0dAr1esg0dAr1es Join Date: 2012-11-15 Member: 171558Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2030672:date=Nov 20 2012, 05:21 PM:name=purephoenix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purephoenix @ Nov 20 2012, 05:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030672"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_3" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_3</a>
    <a href="http://www.battlefield.com/au/battlefield3/xbox-360" target="_blank">http://www.battlefield.com/au/battlefield3/xbox-360</a>

    log/eye much?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    LoL.

    I dont think you understand what I said. PC was the LEAD platform during development. Hence not a console port. (A console port means something created for the console, and ported to PC. In battlefields case, it was created for the PC and ported to console)
    <a href="http://www.destructoid.com/pc-as-lead-platform-made-battlefield-3-better-on-consoles-214603.phtml" target="_blank">http://www.destructoid.com/pc-as-lead-plat...es-214603.phtml</a>
    <a href="http://www.computerandvideogames.com/288293/battlefield-3-pc-console-ports-not-how-we-do-things-says-dice/" target="_blank">http://www.computerandvideogames.com/28829...ings-says-dice/</a>

    Also,
    PER YOUR FREAKEN WIKI PAGE QUOTES UNDER DEVELOPMENT:

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Battlefield 3's lead platform is the PC rather than a console.[9] The Xbox 360 version of Battlefield 3 is shipped on two discs due to the disc size limit;[28] however, the PS3 version ships on one Blu-ray Disc<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    /leave please
  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    you need to be able to overclock past 4Ghz to get an enjoyable framerate.
  • purephoenixpurephoenix Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172074Members
    edited November 2012
    Who cares? It's still toned-down graphics etc because it has to run on the Xbox, i'm still right.

    What part of "It's designed to run on a ###### console 9 years old" are you too dumb to understand?

    REAL Directx11 games have no hope of acheiving 30+ frames on current hardware at max settings.

    <!--quoteo(post=2030682:date=Nov 21 2012, 11:00 AM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Nov 21 2012, 11:00 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030682"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->you need to be able to overclock past 4Ghz to get an enjoyable framerate.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Good point, forgot about that. You can get away with 3.6 on the phenoms' because they're 6 core, but the dozer will do 4ghtz on air, usually 4.4-4.8 and has 2 more cores.
  • extolloextollo Ping Blip Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72457Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2030655:date=Nov 20 2012, 07:04 PM:name=Davil)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Davil @ Nov 20 2012, 07:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030655"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I wouldn't bother with the special cpu cooler, especially not a $29 one unless intel stopped shipping their processors with the fan included. The stock fans are typically pretty good to be honest even if you're overclocking, and with an i5 you really shouldn't have any heat issues.

    Never heard of ASRock motherboards, so I'd be weary of that. Brands like MSI and ASUS have done right by me for many years.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    3570k's get kinda toasty when oc'ing. its probably worth it getting one of the vertical coolers. much more surface area than the stock cooler & supports 2 fans. i think they are worth 28 bucks if your are going to OC.

    Asrock is a good brand - my current mb is an asrock. Research the OC comment from above. There may be a better choice out there for you if you really want to bump the clock speed.
  • g0dAr1esg0dAr1es Join Date: 2012-11-15 Member: 171558Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2030674:date=Nov 20 2012, 05:23 PM:name=Sockem)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sockem @ Nov 20 2012, 05:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030674"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How much did you pay for that?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    This was built last year but with everything (case, keyboard/mouse, dvd, speakers ect)
    It came out to about $1000. I am just showing you that even with my specs the game runs fine (so in your current build you should be fine also)
  • GenomaxterGenomaxter Join Date: 2003-10-11 Member: 21597Members
    edited November 2012
    Asrock was actually a group that broke off from Asus and designed their own boards. They are good boards. The company is being bought back by Asus. And for most computer parts, reviews, etc, I have always used NewEgg. My personal MB is an Asus Sabertooth, but for a home theater pc, I use Asrock.

    Also, for those parts, I would buy an 800 watt power supply minimum. Gold or Platinum efficiency rating if you can afford to. Runs much cooler and uses less power.
  • purephoenixpurephoenix Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172074Members
    edited November 2012
    It's not just overclocking, the whole mobo is trash. My mate installed the Asrock drivers and got 10mbit lan.... installed the Realtek drivers and got the proper 1gbit speeds.

    Asrock seriously don't know what they're doing. If you're not super cluey with computers, avoid them like the black plague.

    edit @ Genomaxter... Asus isn't doing good the last year or two either. Formula V and equivelant boards are beaten by Gigabyes' 990FXA range and are $200 more expensive.
  • GenomaxterGenomaxter Join Date: 2003-10-11 Member: 21597Members
    Yea, the Formula V isnt doing well. I almost bought one, but I opted for the Sabertooth since they are built purely for reliability and the reviews on them have been great. The Formula boards were burning up.
  • g0dAr1esg0dAr1es Join Date: 2012-11-15 Member: 171558Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2030683:date=Nov 20 2012, 05:30 PM:name=purephoenix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purephoenix @ Nov 20 2012, 05:30 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030683"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Who cares? It's still toned-down graphics etc because it has to run on the Xbox, i'm still right.

    What part of "It's designed to run on a ###### console 9 years old" are you too dumb to understand?

    REAL Directx11 games have no hope of acheiving 30+ frames on current hardware at max settings.



    Good point, forgot about that. You can get away with 3.6 on the phenoms' because they're 6 core, but the dozer will do 4ghtz on air, usually 4.4-4.8 and has 2 more cores.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    This will be my last post to you directly then I am done.

    It doesnt matter if the graphics where toned down for the xbox, your argument was that Battlefield is a bad example for a benchmark because it was a console port. With your logic, it was created to work for the xbox, then "toned up" for the PC. Which I all ready proved is not true.

    Second:
    <!--quoteo(post=2030659:date=Nov 20 2012, 05:10 PM:name=purephoenix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purephoenix @ Nov 20 2012, 05:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030659"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Battlefield 3 is a DirectX9 game*snip*<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Incorrect again. Battlefield is a DX10 game and will not work with DX9. I am not going to go though why it works with 10/11 and not 9 as you can look that up yourself

    Third:
    Again Battlefield is not a DX11 game. It is a DX10 game that supports DX11 (there is a difference again I am not going to explain why this is to you)
  • schkorpioschkorpio I can mspaint Join Date: 2003-05-23 Member: 16635Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2030634:date=Nov 21 2012, 10:48 AM:name=Sockem)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sockem @ Nov 21 2012, 10:48 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030634"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I am currently trying to build a budget pc that will average 60 FPS and get 30 MINIMUM on medium textures.

    Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor $219.99
    Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler $28.98
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel $105
    Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $39.99
    Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $69.99
    XFX Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card $231.98
    Cougar Solution (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $39.99
    XFX Core 550W PSU. $70
    Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer $19.99
    Total: about $754

    Will this achieve the FPS I am asking for?

    *edit* CPU clock looks good to me, but it is OCable if need be<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    You won't need to overclock with that cpu - it overclocks itself to 3.8ghz if it realises that a game (or program) isn't making the best use of all of the cores.

    Get yourself a GTX 670 (or 660 at least), they are a little more expensive but very much worth it. I'm getting avg 60-80fps on my gtx 670, with the same cpu. (sometimes going up to 160fps, and never lower than 45-50fps in huge infested area end of game battles).

    to make up for the cost i'd get rid of the:
    cpu cooler - the stock cooler is just fine, by the time you need to overclock this pc it will be time for an upgrade (in 3-5 years time)
    the dvd burner (you can install windows from a usb stick much easier and faster)
    get the asrock z77 extreme-m, its cheaper and has 99% the same performance.
  • rmbrown09rmbrown09 Join Date: 2012-10-17 Member: 162592Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--coloro:#708090--><span style="color:#708090"><!--/coloro-->Asking what PC parts to get on more tech oriented sites like game forums and tech blogs is like discussing politics or god. It's going to be a ###### storm every time. Everyone has an opinion whether it be right or wrong and you're going to see misinformation everywhere. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Here is my take on your build: (Granted, I don't know what your budget ceiling here is, but these are my recommendations regardless.)

    Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor $219.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->I would say spend the extra dough and get an i7. You don't get hyperthreading with i5's and because of that NS2 and future games + applications will run slower than they would have. Things like Photoshop, After Effects, Premiere, Maya, etc etc all use as many cores as you can throw at it. Future games will start utilizing hyperthreading as well, and because an i7 is so close to that price point I say save up and get that instead. Having the extra horsepower down the line is going to prove to be a wise decision.

    3770k is a real winner: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819116501</a>
    <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler $28.98
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Looks to be a good unit. IF you are planning on overclocking however OP, there is no substitute for liquid. Liquid is cheaper and easier to install than most people think, and lets you OC to the moon rocking ice cold temps. Here is a $130 CPU cooler that I have personally seen do great work. Keeps overclocked units running under load at cooler temps than some people idle at stock. I'll be getting one of these next week after seeing it in action at a friends.

    Corsair h100: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181017" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16835181017</a><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel $105
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Looks good to me, two possible lanes of 16x and PCI E 3.0 as basically all you are looking for here. Newegg reviews lean towards it being a solid board. No reason to spend any more here than you need too.
    <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
    Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $39.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->This is fine OP, but I would consider taking this to the next level with some 2133 or 2400Mhz stuff. Quicker ram is always advantageous.
    See here: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313236" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820313236</a><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $69.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Cool beans<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    XFX Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card $231.98
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Solid card, if you're not going above 1080p with your monitor 2GB of Vram will be plenty.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Cougar Solution (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $39.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Case is a case is a case. *(most of the time)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    XFX Core 550W PSU. $70
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Don't need any more power than this OP. My system would run on that PSU and Nvidia tells me I need at least a 650w, 750w to be safe.
    don't believe me? I threw this thread together a while back: <a href="http://www.overclock.net/t/1290091/gtx-690-true-power-measurement" target="_blank">http://www.overclock.net/t/1290091/gtx-690...wer-measurement</a><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer $19.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Yep
    <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
    Total: about $754
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Whatever your max budget is, try and incorporate some of these changes if you can, in the long run you will enjoy the PC more. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Will this achieve the FPS I am asking for?
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->As you have it rigged, probably. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    This thread is really constructive, we need something with this information stickied.
  • SockemSockem Join Date: 2011-04-11 Member: 92562Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2030726:date=Nov 20 2012, 09:03 PM:name=rmbrown09)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rmbrown09 @ Nov 20 2012, 09:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030726"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--coloro:#708090--><span style="color:#708090"><!--/coloro-->Asking what PC parts to get on more tech oriented sites like game forums and tech blogs is like discussing politics or god. It's going to be a ###### storm every time. Everyone has an opinion whether it be right or wrong and you're going to see misinformation everywhere. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Here is my take on your build: (Granted, I don't know what your budget ceiling here is, but these are my recommendations regardless.)

    Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor $219.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->I would say spend the extra dough and get an i7. You don't get hyperthreading with i5's and because of that NS2 and future games + applications will run slower than they would have. Things like Photoshop, After Effects, Premiere, Maya, etc etc all use as many cores as you can throw at it. Future games will start utilizing hyperthreading as well, and because an i7 is so close to that price point I say save up and get that instead. Having the extra horsepower down the line is going to prove to be a wise decision.

    3770k is a real winner: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819116501</a>
    <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    My max budget is 750, and I am hearing that OC is not necessary, so I will do away with the cooler, saving me 30 dollars and giving me a little bit of wiggle room.

    I'm definitely NOT going to get the i7, I just don't have that kind of money. I might upgrade it in a year or 2 when I am not spending 700 dollars all at once.
    I don't really want to downgrade the PSU because I am planning on upgrading the PC in a while

    I am a little shaky on wether i should get the RAM you prescribed, or stick with the one I've chosen. I am not exactly 'rich' right now
  • -l||l-Shadow-l||l-Shadow Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172099Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2030726:date=Nov 20 2012, 08:03 PM:name=rmbrown09)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rmbrown09 @ Nov 20 2012, 08:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030726"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--coloro:#708090--><span style="color:#708090"><!--/coloro-->Asking what PC parts to get on more tech oriented sites like game forums and tech blogs is like discussing politics or god. It's going to be a ###### storm every time. Everyone has an opinion whether it be right or wrong and you're going to see misinformation everywhere. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Here is my take on your build: (Granted, I don't know what your budget ceiling here is, but these are my recommendations regardless.)

    Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor $219.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->I would say spend the extra dough and get an i7. You don't get hyperthreading with i5's and because of that NS2 and future games + applications will run slower than they would have. Things like Photoshop, After Effects, Premiere, Maya, etc etc all use as many cores as you can throw at it. Future games will start utilizing hyperthreading as well, and because an i7 is so close to that price point I say save up and get that instead. Having the extra horsepower down the line is going to prove to be a wise decision.

    3770k is a real winner: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819116501</a>
    <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler $28.98
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Looks to be a good unit. IF you are planning on overclocking however OP, there is no substitute for liquid. Liquid is cheaper and easier to install than most people think, and lets you OC to the moon rocking ice cold temps. Here is a $130 CPU cooler that I have personally seen do great work. Keeps overclocked units running under load at cooler temps than some people idle at stock. I'll be getting one of these next week after seeing it in action at a friends.

    Corsair h100: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181017" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16835181017</a><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel $105
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Looks good to me, two possible lanes of 16x and PCI E 3.0 as basically all you are looking for here. Newegg reviews lean towards it being a solid board. No reason to spend any more here than you need too.
    <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
    Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $39.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->This is fine OP, but I would consider taking this to the next level with some 2133 or 2400Mhz stuff. Quicker ram is always advantageous.
    See here: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313236" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820313236</a><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $69.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Cool beans<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    XFX Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card $231.98
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Solid card, if you're not going above 1080p with your monitor 2GB of Vram will be plenty.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Cougar Solution (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $39.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Case is a case is a case. *(most of the time)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    XFX Core 550W PSU. $70
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Don't need any more power than this OP. My system would run on that PSU and Nvidia tells me I need at least a 650w, 750w to be safe.
    don't believe me? I threw this thread together a while back: <a href="http://www.overclock.net/t/1290091/gtx-690-true-power-measurement" target="_blank">http://www.overclock.net/t/1290091/gtx-690...wer-measurement</a><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer $19.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Yep
    <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
    Total: about $754
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Whatever your max budget is, try and incorporate some of these changes if you can, in the long run you will enjoy the PC more. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Will this achieve the FPS I am asking for?
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->As you have it rigged, probably. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    +1 But everyone does has different opinions, it's best to do research on the parts you are thinking about purchasing, seeing if the parts are worth it or maybe there is something better for a couple more $$$. Good place to start researching or finding out anything is overclock.net, guru3d.com, google is valid as well sometimes lol. Also don't be fooled by reviews on newegg and such a good amount of people either have bad luck or have no idea what they are talking about. Good luck on your build.
  • sushia11sushia11 Join Date: 2012-10-12 Member: 162112Members
    Hey Sockem, Sushia from steam. Sorry, I actually forgot CPUs overclock by themselves a little if the temps allow, or as stated above, the rest of the cores aren't being used. I do stand by myself when I say NS2 likes high CPU clocks, but not all games need 4ghz+. I do get that this rig is mostly for NS2, but if you were getting these parts exclusively for it, I wouldn't have recommended more cores. And a 3.8 ghz core clock is fine for the fps you want. You could still get that $30 CPU cooler, but it would be more for luxury when you want to squeeze a little more out. Although, you probably could save it to use on your next CPU upgrade too, so you can OC that thing without needing to run out and buy another cooler. But hey, the guy above gave great advice regarding it.

    Are you also factoring in what OS you'll be using? NS2 only works on Windows systems.
  • Marty123Marty123 Join Date: 2012-09-06 Member: 158055Members
    3.4 GHZ isn't fast enough. That will become obsolete way too quickly. Everything else is fine. I feel like CPU is the most important aspect because most motherboards don't support switching out CPUs. Since you're building yours (I've never done this) it might support swapping out CPUs. I have an AMD Phenom 64 bit 2.1 GHZ and I've been using it for 7 years. It is just now becoming obsolete. Investing more money into the CPU will get you a lot longer of a lifespan on your computer. You can upgrade the GPU every couple years for a couple hundred dollars and RAM is cheap. The CPU is the biggest factor. Get a beast CPU and a good power supply and the rest of the components are a lot easier to upgrade.
  • XIIGageXIIGage Join Date: 2012-09-06 Member: 158060Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2030726:date=Nov 20 2012, 08:03 PM:name=rmbrown09)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rmbrown09 @ Nov 20 2012, 08:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030726"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--coloro:#708090--><span style="color:#708090"><!--/coloro-->Asking what PC parts to get on more tech oriented sites like game forums and tech blogs is like discussing politics or god. It's going to be a ###### storm every time. Everyone has an opinion whether it be right or wrong and you're going to see misinformation everywhere. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Here is my take on your build: (Granted, I don't know what your budget ceiling here is, but these are my recommendations regardless.)

    Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor $219.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->I would say spend the extra dough and get an i7. You don't get hyperthreading with i5's and because of that NS2 and future games + applications will run slower than they would have. Things like Photoshop, After Effects, Premiere, Maya, etc etc all use as many cores as you can throw at it. Future games will start utilizing hyperthreading as well, and because an i7 is so close to that price point I say save up and get that instead. Having the extra horsepower down the line is going to prove to be a wise decision.

    3770k is a real winner: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819116501</a>
    <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler $28.98
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Looks to be a good unit. IF you are planning on overclocking however OP, there is no substitute for liquid. Liquid is cheaper and easier to install than most people think, and lets you OC to the moon rocking ice cold temps. Here is a $130 CPU cooler that I have personally seen do great work. Keeps overclocked units running under load at cooler temps than some people idle at stock. I'll be getting one of these next week after seeing it in action at a friends.

    Corsair h100: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181017" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16835181017</a><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel $105
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Looks good to me, two possible lanes of 16x and PCI E 3.0 as basically all you are looking for here. Newegg reviews lean towards it being a solid board. No reason to spend any more here than you need too.
    <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
    Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $39.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->This is fine OP, but I would consider taking this to the next level with some 2133 or 2400Mhz stuff. Quicker ram is always advantageous.
    See here: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313236" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820313236</a><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $69.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Cool beans<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    XFX Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card $231.98
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Solid card, if you're not going above 1080p with your monitor 2GB of Vram will be plenty.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Cougar Solution (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $39.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Case is a case is a case. *(most of the time)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    XFX Core 550W PSU. $70
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Don't need any more power than this OP. My system would run on that PSU and Nvidia tells me I need at least a 650w, 750w to be safe.
    don't believe me? I threw this thread together a while back: <a href="http://www.overclock.net/t/1290091/gtx-690-true-power-measurement" target="_blank">http://www.overclock.net/t/1290091/gtx-690...wer-measurement</a><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer $19.99
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Yep
    <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
    Total: about $754
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Whatever your max budget is, try and incorporate some of these changes if you can, in the long run you will enjoy the PC more. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    Will this achieve the FPS I am asking for?
    <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->As you have it rigged, probably. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    This guy beat me to it. I agree with everything this says.

    Don't listen to anyone about needing larger power supplies or a better motherboard. I've installed the Hyper 212 cooler on many builds and have recommended it to friends. Super quiet and cool, good buy if you want it. Your rig MIGHT use 450 watts of power so don't listen to other people about getting a larger PSU. I would just get a solid 550-600.

    Also the i5-2500k is still extremely favorited and very overclock friendly if you want to go down that route. It is the same price as the one you listed. I am not as familiar with the 3570 but it seems to be the successor to the 2500k.
  • schkorpioschkorpio I can mspaint Join Date: 2003-05-23 Member: 16635Members
    edited November 2012
    btw (Australians only) I run an online store doing high end PCs with all of the bells and whistles, so if anyone wants a super beast for xmas, I will do it without charging you for the labour - for NS2 players only :)

    PM me.
    I'll send you the link (dunno if its ok to advertise on the forums).


    here is one I was 1/2 way through building last week. Yes the letters on the card are glowing :)

    <img src="http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/5535/jeremycomp.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />
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