Official UWE Servers Massively Trolled

reasareasa Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Members, Constellation
edited December 2012 in NS2 General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">Get some admins.</div>This is the third time groups of people 2-4 have taken over and emptied a UWE server I've been on.

They join, one of them rushes the com chair and spams armories or does something stupid on aliens and his buddies fill in for him if he gets ejected. They do this over and over until they empty the server.
This has been going on for several days and players have no recourse.

Currently a group of them just ruined a UWE East Coast server, and one of the people trying to play properly said he just left a Central server because the same thing was happening there.

I've never once seen an admin and your only choice is to leave the server. They ether don't respond or do the usual foul mouthed rolling eyes troll nonsense. The losers obviously plan this out because they always show up in groups.

As if this game doesn’t have enough problems with new players, the last thing they want to see is the official UWE servers overrun with trolls.

It makes the whole game look poorly.

Get some admins and watch your servers now and again. Hell I play on UWE servers a lot, I'll gladly do the job if you can't find anyone.
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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    I feel the UWE servers should just be shut down. There's hundreds of community owned/run servers that are far superior and sit empty. Not to mention the majority of UWE servers also sit empty the majority of the time.

    They served their purpose during release, they are ready to be retired now (at least most of them are)
  • glimmermanglimmerman Join Date: 2004-04-29 Member: 28300Members, Constellation
    edited December 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2042767:date=Dec 10 2012, 01:53 PM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Dec 10 2012, 01:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2042767"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I feel the UWE servers should just be shut down. There's hundreds of community owned/run servers that are far superior and sit empty. Not to mention the majority of UWE servers also sit empty the majority of the time.

    They served their purpose during release, they are ready to be retired now (at least most of them are)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    QFT.

    I would say 90% are ready to be retired.
  • sanobrewsanobrew Join Date: 2007-05-04 Member: 60801Members
    Join a non-UWE server maybe? The KKG servers are always open.
  • GuspazGuspaz Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2862Members, Constellation
    I think UWE should keep a handful of servers. One per region, perhaps. They'd need them for tournaments if nothing else. But the need for more than one UWE server per region seems past.

    We had similar trolls on lunixmonster tonight. Two guys joined (when it was 6v6, basically) and proceeded to eject anybody who tried to comm alien. Aliens F4'd, thinking the game was bugged, and we started a new game, these two guys joined marines and proceeded to do the same thing, ejecting anybody who tried to comm.

    At that point we also got reports that the same guys had just been doing the same thing on a different server. So we kickbanned them, and had an enjoyable rest of the evening.

    The votekick percentage of 30% is silly, it only takes two people to eject the comm on a 12-player match...
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2042771:date=Dec 10 2012, 01:03 AM:name=Guspaz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Guspaz @ Dec 10 2012, 01:03 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2042771"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think UWE should keep a handful of servers. One per region, perhaps. They'd need them for tournaments if nothing else. But the need for more than one UWE server per region seems past.

    We had similar trolls on lunixmonster tonight. Two guys joined (when it was 6v6, basically) and proceeded to eject anybody who tried to comm alien. Aliens F4'd, thinking the game was bugged, and we started a new game, these two guys joined marines and proceeded to do the same thing, ejecting anybody who tried to comm.

    At that point we also got reports that the same guys had just been doing the same thing on a different server. So we kickbanned them, and had an enjoyable rest of the evening.

    The votekick percentage of 30% is silly, it only takes two people to eject the comm on a 12-player match...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think I like that percentage actually... a 12 player match is intimate enough it shouldn't require some large percentage to figure out the comm is pants.
  • reasareasa Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Members, Constellation
    edited December 2012
    Well if they can't ever have any admins on them then I guess it may be best if some go down. At leat that makes some of them easier to patrol.
  • SherlockSherlock Join Date: 2012-11-09 Member: 168595Members
    For some reason, most of the servers that display in my browser are official, so always play on them.

    Do the majority of unofficial servers run mods? I have those filtered right now.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    edited December 2012
    Another interesting option. Give all play testers moderator rights on UWE servers. Ban any account found abusing powers. (I'm not a playtester, so don't assume I'm suggesting this out of some sense of personal gain)

    [edit] ultimately I feel that maintaining servers well is more work than UWE wants to do right now. They should just scuttle the vast majority of the "company owned" environment right now. It's not adding much.
  • RockyMarcRockyMarc Join Date: 2009-11-24 Member: 69519Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Yeah votekick % forr the comm chair is stupid currently.
    Need votekick user on servers like that :|
  • Champlo0Champlo0 Join Date: 2012-04-17 Member: 150617Members
    Vote kick would end up bad.

    Just need admins/mods. Would look really well, honestly, devs and players working to promote better games.
  • BurdockBurdock Join Date: 2012-08-27 Member: 156553Members
    I and a few others have had this conversation with UWE, a good admin system or a slow shutdown should be in short order.........

    -Daniel
  • HeatSurgeHeatSurge Some Guy Join Date: 2012-09-15 Member: 159438Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    edited December 2012
    I can't see an automated solution to this right now, which isn't as easily open to abuse as the commander position at the start of the match is. The only solution is to play on admined servers which aren't official.
  • NammNamm Join Date: 2011-12-08 Member: 137116Members
    I raised my concerns about this the moment they set up the official servers, asked who where going to admin them and if a system for that was put in place. So, there are no admins?
  • MestaritonttuMestaritonttu Join Date: 2004-07-29 Member: 30229Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold
    <!--quoteo(post=2042812:date=Dec 10 2012, 10:30 AM:name=Champlo0)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Champlo0 @ Dec 10 2012, 10:30 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2042812"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Vote kick would end up bad.

    Just need admins/mods. Would look really well, honestly, devs and players working to promote better games.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Having admins for all servers is not possible.

    Vote kick wouldn't end up bad. If you end up being troll kicked because half the server voted yes, well, you were playing with a server half full of trolls. No big loss.

    For the time being, go play on those private servers. They've got admins and pretty neat mods too.
  • NammNamm Join Date: 2011-12-08 Member: 137116Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2042859:date=Dec 10 2012, 11:01 AM:name=Mestaritonttu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mestaritonttu @ Dec 10 2012, 11:01 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2042859"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Having admins for all servers is not possible.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It's very possible...
  • ellnicellnic Join Date: 2010-07-19 Member: 72559Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited December 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2042804:date=Dec 10 2012, 06:59 AM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Dec 10 2012, 06:59 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2042804"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Another interesting option. Give all play testers moderator rights on UWE servers. Ban any account found abusing powers. (I'm not a playtester, so don't assume I'm suggesting this out of some sense of personal gain)

    [edit] ultimately I feel that maintaining servers well is more work than UWE wants to do right now. They should just scuttle the vast majority of the "company owned" environment right now. It's not adding much.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah I agree. With the playtester Admins and the servers

    I mean if UWE trust them enough to playtest, they should be trusted enough to admin right?
  • greenpeegreenpee Join Date: 2012-04-10 Member: 150218Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2042769:date=Dec 10 2012, 01:00 AM:name=sanobrew)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sanobrew @ Dec 10 2012, 01:00 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2042769"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Join a non-UWE server maybe? The KKG servers are always open.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yeah, no. I actually like playing on the UWE servers, a lot of the private ones are 20+ and it just turns into a zergfest. No thanks
  • GrayWGrayW UK Join Date: 2009-12-18 Member: 69701Members
    Another reason to play on the UWE Servers is no Mods.
  • creamcream Join Date: 2011-05-14 Member: 98671Members
    if you shut down all UWE official servers, my community will have no servers to play in.

    but it's not like we have players anymore...
  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    Can't trust players with votekick any more than you can trust admins with being admins. I usually play in the official servers for this reason alone, the average maturity level of admins is very low.
  • SeahuntsSeahunts Join Date: 2012-05-13 Member: 151973Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2042767:date=Dec 10 2012, 01:53 PM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Dec 10 2012, 01:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2042767"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I feel the UWE servers should just be shut down. There's hundreds of community owned/run servers that are far superior and sit empty. Not to mention the majority of UWE servers also sit empty the majority of the time.

    They served their purpose during release, they are ready to be retired now (at least most of them are)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Speak for your own country. I often play on UWE servers. In fact I prefer it as they have the correct player count.
  • PoNeHPoNeH Join Date: 2006-12-01 Member: 58801Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester
    I don't get it, since when is having more servers available a bad thing? I, personally, mostly play on UWE servers and have never experienced such things. If you have a problem with them, well, don't join them.
  • TripleZeroTripleZero Join Date: 2012-11-06 Member: 167764Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=2042934:date=Dec 10 2012, 03:32 PM:name=Seahunts)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Seahunts @ Dec 10 2012, 03:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2042934"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Speak for your own country. I often play on UWE servers. In fact I prefer it as they have the correct player count.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    same here, also they got good performance and are mostly lagfree, you never know it with the community servers.

    Ive been to some were skulks just warped around despite my ping being good. Also community servers often have clans playing on them, preferably every1 in the same team and i dont know about you but pubstomping isnt that much fun for either side.
  • SolaritySolarity Join Date: 2012-11-13 Member: 170515Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    There will always be people like that. I ran into them last night for the first time. They recyled everything and kicked the comm.

    Well in a way I got to thank them. I left and found an awesome server that I wouldnt of joined if it wasnt for their childness.

    Where ever these guys appear people will leave and find admined servers that will ban people like that. Then they will not be able to play on any of the good servers :)

    I use to join populated low servers. If these guys kill off thr non-admin servers, then those servers will be taken down for lack of use.

    Solarity
  • DaphistoDaphisto Hive Janitor Join Date: 2002-11-16 Member: 8917Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Some of the bigger game companies employ people whose job is to act as a "reverse shill", someone whose main job function is to ruin a competitor's game's multi-player experience.

    All part of being in the video game business, unfortunately. :(
  • PimpToadPimpToad Join Date: 2012-11-02 Member: 166005Members
    Does NS2 have varying levels of administrator privileges? I was an on/off admin back in my ETQW days and the only powers I had were to kick players off the server for being idiots. Make an official post on the forums to recruit some admins and go from there. Make it mandatory to use the same nick on the forums so they can be reported if they abuse their powers. Even make them wear a tag denoting their admin status if need be.

    As to how to judge if a player is worthy of being an admin...well it's a crapshoot. I became an admin on some servers just by playing on the server and generally displaying a mature attitude (most of the time). Since that's not possible here, I suppose UWE can start with their own playtesters. It's pretty easy to start abusing what little power you have over other players so hopefully those given administrator privileges won't abuse it...much.

    Either way UWE servers need admins with the power to kick and forcibly randomized teams. Stacked teams clear out servers just as fast as idiots doing dumb things.
  • petit_fromagepetit_fromage Join Date: 2004-11-11 Member: 32752Members
    It doesn't matter how big a server is, whether it's a 12 man or a 20 man, all it takes it 2 people to eject a commander. That's horrible. They need to at least scale it slightly.

    If your commander is truly horrible and refuses to listen to the team, it shouldn't be hard to get 4 teammates to eject him, even on a 6 person team.
  • _Necro__Necro_ Join Date: 2011-02-15 Member: 81895Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited December 2012
    <u>A simple solution, that takes < 2 hours development time:</u>
    1.) Fix Commander-Eject-Votes! You need to show clearly <b>who has voted and that a vote is pending!</b> To inform the team about the vote! The percentage may be ok. (3 people on a 12 player server would be 50% of the team. That is to high for 18 or 20 player servers.)
    2.) When you got the voting-system right, it is simple to add kick-votes to it. A successful kick-vote should <b>ban a player temporary for 1 hour</b> from the server. It should only need the amount of players of one team to succeed. (Sure, the one who should be kicked will vote "No". But if you really have a troll or two, it should be no problem to get at least 1 or 2 people from the other team to vote "Yes" too.)

    Problem solved.
  • Champlo0Champlo0 Join Date: 2012-04-17 Member: 150617Members
    Vote-kick won't function well, as I've said before. A few admins for each geographical region (East coast, midwest, west coast, East europe, west europe, australia, etc.) are all the servers need to function properly. I'm sure if there is any admin abuse that people will be flooding the forums with it anyways. I'd rather have a few admin abusers than trolls who ruin games constantly. It's at least sending a message to the trolls, rather than just not responding at all.
  • current1yoldcurrent1yold Join Date: 2012-09-10 Member: 158911Members
    edited December 2012
    I was in a game sunday where two guys were doing this as well. Others in the server said they had experienced this on another server earlier that day.

    It is def a prob that needs to be addressed.
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