Can we please try to make this game ballanced instead of making marines a little bit more "ballanced" than aliens all the time? Thanks, that'd be great.
Are you serious about this? You make it sound as if these patches are attempts at making one side stronger than the other. Now come on, you don't really believe that. Rest assured that your game experience will be enriched be every single official patch that comes out. Have some faith... the makers are out to give you a good game, not an imbalanced one.
Yep someone will always say that something is unbalanced and that someone is ME.ALiens are too strong NERF aliens instead of whacking and nuking marines!!A LOT of people try to TELL it to the dev team and they just keep on nerfing the marines......Not everybody plays on 24-34 player server YOU KNOW?ONly on theese servers marines are stronger and its not the reason to NERF THEM. I think that this game is for everyone......and dev team is really trying to make it SUPER EXPERIENCED PLAYERS ON THE MARINES SIDE ONLY......Every next patch screws marine team into the grave.A lot of people stops playing ns or marine team becase of this...
Its sad, but Silver Fox is absolutly right and raven seems to be the perfect proof, if he didnt meant to be sarcastic. Hope sb closes this topic fast, because its not worth the bytes its stored in, as most of the other threads concerning this topic.
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I don't think so. If you'll look at the big picture you'll see the pattern. I've been playing from whenever the first NS version was out, and what I've seen in quite a lot of the europian servers and few of the americans, is that the Kharaa wins much more games then the marines. From what I've seen, the Kharaa will probebly win in about 4 games out of 5. That may change in the future, or may be irrelevant on some servers, but the big picture is that ppl who play Kharaa win more games then the marines. I don't know what the NS crew's gonna do about it, and I don't care which side they gonna balance. As I see it they may change a lot or change minor details, the goal will remain the same. The whole point is to make the win-loss ratio for each side balanced. I'll know they've reached thier goal when I'll see that ratio will be 50-50. When the statistics will say the marines and Kharaa has the same percentage of wins. Right now anyway, it's far from being the situation.
Hey dude. I think you may have played on a small server ? am i right?. 14 to 16 players?. Well, anyway ..try to find larger and marines will simply walk over aliens mostly because the spawning is so slow..and someone said to me that marines have resources pouring even from their ears <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->.
Simple...well..actually not that simple. There is alot of opinions what will need balancing and what not, but my personal opinion is to balance spawn speed for big servers, dont know what could be done for smaller servers because on small servers aliens seem to conquer more often, throw me a bone if you disagree. Its not really spawn speed -issue on small servers... its something else.
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Not to mention 1.04 heavily leans toward aliens, leaving marines gimpier than they already are. Marines tend to own in clans, with teamwork, and incredibly goot shots, in pub, they stand little to no chance with a decent alien team. I'm only bringing this up because the poster seems to be implying tha marines are what, getting all the upgrades?
Marines may well put up their win ratio if they stopped jumping around spawn whining for HMG's then F4'ing to the readyroom at the first sight of a Fade. That's why Aliens are getting 4 out of 5 wins
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Balance? Yes, it's pretty well balanced - for team sizes of about 7v7 or 8v8. Anything larger, marines has the advantage; anything smaller, aliens has the advantage.
This is because small marine teams gets so little resources it isn't even funny, and the spawn rate for aliens is good enough.
OTOH, large marine teams gets gobs and gobs of resources, while the alien spawn rate is still the same as for teams a third of the size. Large marine teams has several viable strategies to choose from - both LMG rush, HMG rush, 2 hive lockdown or out-teching works. Small marine teams (< 7v7) only have the LMG/HMG rush strat, and even that won't work unless the marines are more skilled than the aliens.
So, if you want to win as a marine, play on 12v12 or bigger servers. If you want to win as an alien, play on 4v4 servers. Want a fair fight? Play 8v8 and hope the commander is decent.
edit: i forgot to explain the story of the red umbrella. Well it dates back to the firearms forums where if a crummy thread was made people would just post red umbrella so that any mod could just do a search for red umbrealla and delete said threads. So yeah.
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The only time it would stop if it was Marines vs Marines with nothing but LMG with 3 clips and pistol with 3 clips - no CC or upgrades - ala CS.
if u are balancing something it MEANS u are balancing the game as a whole... or cant i c the greater meaning of it?
regardless of what "balance" changes are made to NS - it will always be unbalanced to <b>some one</b>.
For example, I think the balance is just fine. Have thought so since our last RC.
I think that this game is for everyone......and dev team is really trying to make it SUPER EXPERIENCED PLAYERS ON THE MARINES SIDE ONLY......Every next patch screws marine team into the grave.A lot of people stops playing ns or marine team becase of this...
Hope sb closes this topic fast, because its not worth the bytes its stored in, as most of the other threads concerning this topic.
I don't think so. If you'll look at the big picture you'll see the pattern. I've been playing from whenever the first NS version was out, and what I've seen in quite a lot of the europian servers and few of the americans, is that the Kharaa wins much more games then the marines.
From what I've seen, the Kharaa will probebly win in about 4 games out of 5. That may change in the future, or may be irrelevant on some servers, but the big picture is that ppl who play Kharaa win more games then the marines.
I don't know what the NS crew's gonna do about it, and I don't care which side they gonna balance. As I see it they may change a lot or change minor details, the goal will remain the same. The whole point is to make the win-loss ratio for each side balanced.
I'll know they've reached thier goal when I'll see that ratio will be 50-50. When the statistics will say the marines and Kharaa has the same percentage of wins. Right now anyway, it's far from being the situation.
Simple...well..actually not that simple. There is alot of opinions what will need balancing and what not, but my personal opinion is to balance spawn speed for big servers, dont know what could be done for smaller servers because on small servers aliens seem to conquer more often, throw me a bone if you disagree. Its not really spawn speed -issue on small servers... its something else.
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advantage.
marines have great mobility, they can put their cc just about anywhere.
advantage
siege
advantage
the list goes on here.
I still think that the game is balanced enough as it is.
It plays fine,
I have a swell time,
now stop bitching please!
That's why Aliens are getting 4 out of 5 wins
This is because small marine teams gets so little resources it isn't even funny, and the spawn rate for aliens is good enough.
OTOH, large marine teams gets gobs and gobs of resources, while the alien spawn rate is still the same as for teams a third of the size. Large marine teams has several viable strategies to choose from - both LMG rush, HMG rush, 2 hive lockdown or out-teching works. Small marine teams (< 7v7) only have the LMG/HMG rush strat, and even that won't work unless the marines are more skilled than the aliens.
So, if you want to win as a marine, play on 12v12 or bigger servers. If you want to win as an alien, play on 4v4 servers. Want a fair fight? Play 8v8 and hope the commander is decent.
edit: i forgot to explain the story of the red umbrella. Well it dates back to the firearms forums where if a crummy thread was made people would just post red umbrella so that any mod could just do a search for red umbrealla and delete said threads. So yeah.