SweetFx [Beef up your graphics]

Gr4cchusGr4cchus Join Date: 2013-01-08 Member: 178139Members
edited January 2013 in NS2 General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">D3d9.dll injector to beef up the visual quality of the game</div>I tried googling it, but am i able to use sweetfx on Natural Selection 2 without getting like vac banned or something as it is some sort of injector?
<a href="http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/sweetfx_shader_suite_download.html" target="_blank">http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/sweetf...e_download.html</a>


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<!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Kouji San:
I'll allow this link as it is still interesting for single player games, but we do not recommended using a third party injector applications for a multiplayer VAC enabled game like NS2. There is always a chance you're going to get VAC banned, if you play online on VAC enabled servers.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

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Comments

  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    I'm not ABSOLUTELY sure, but I don't think VAC detects injections as long as you inject after you are in the game (that's why so many hacks exist in css).
  • DestherDesther Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165195Members
    edited January 2013
    I think Max (NS2 developer) already answered this and said not to use external tweaks like this or you risk getting banned.
  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    edited January 2013
    NVIDIA Control Panel - Adjust Desktop color settings - Digital Vibrance - put that above 50%

    There you go same effect as the injector. You can also download nvidia inspector and look at NS2's profile, it lets you force MSAA, better SSAO, and more.

    If you really want to make your game look like a retarded bloom-fest like in some of those screenshots you are free to adjust those settings as well, but incompatibility will reduce framerate.
  • KwisatzHaderachKwisatzHaderach Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143872Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    <!--quoteo(post=2057840:date=Jan 8 2013, 12:12 PM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Jan 8 2013, 12:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2057840"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->NVIDIA Control Panel - Adjust Desktop color settings - Digital Vibrance - put that above 50%

    There you go same effect as the injector. You can also download nvidia inspector and look at NS2's profile, it lets you force MSAA, better SSAO, and more.

    If you really want to make your game look like a retarded bloom-fest like in some of those screenshots you are free to adjust those settings as well, but incompatibility will reduce framerate.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Except SweetFX adds SMAA to the game and sharpeners.
    If you want you can also adjust vibrance and all that to be a little less straining to the eye. I used to employ this tool in BF3 for months (the SMAA injector since launch) and I never got banned. It is basically like using the nVidia inspector, it only adds post processing and doesn't touch the game files.
    It's a great tool if you ask me.
  • SanCoSanCo Join Date: 2012-08-18 Member: 155744Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2057825:date=Jan 8 2013, 08:54 AM:name=Ghosthree3)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghosthree3 @ Jan 8 2013, 08:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2057825"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm not ABSOLUTELY sure, but I don't think VAC detects injections as long as you inject after you are in the game (that's why so many hacks exist in css).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    After or before doesnt matter, afaik VAC checks during server connection as well. Havent heard about anyone getting banned using sweetfx tho, probably safe but as with all thirdpsrty stuff. Use at your own risk.
  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Dynamic link injector? Common sense says no.
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited January 2013
    Added a warning to your OP, for singleplayer its safe to use. But we cannot guarantee its 100% safe to use it on a multiplayer only, VAC enabled game like NS2
  • MakenshiMakenshi Join Date: 2012-10-30 Member: 164681Members
    smaa/fxaa injectors have been pretty popular recently due to the relatively low performance hit when using them. I've used them in several games, mostly single player, but I've also used them on bf3 and didn't have any issues.

    tbh though the aa effects don't even look that good most of the time. It removes jaggies but makes everything look blurry which is more obvious in some games than others.
  • StriderNS2StriderNS2 Join Date: 2012-12-22 Member: 175867Members
    I wouldn't use it. Technically VAC doesn't ban for something that's not in it's database. So if there is a hack out there that hasn't been added to the database it won't be banned until it is. So the chances that a graphics injector got added to the database is low. But I still wouldn't do it.
  • sloesloe Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18968Members
    edited January 2013
    The problem is that other people will inject dll's for cheating purposes so how can you differentiate between these two "hacks"? Anti-cheats like Punkbuster(?) scan for this hack by verifying portions of the running process e.g. making sure certain d3d calls (drawindexedprimitive etc) haven't been compromised. Be cautious when using something like SweetFx.

    Not sure if this is true, but here's what someone else said about SweetFx in PlanetSide 2:

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->With the right tweaking it can be unfair.... I can easily tweak it to make my enemy stand out more while i snipe and make infiltrator cloak easier to see ><. However i dont use it for some reason it doesn't boost my fps but makes it worse.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    This guy thought that injecting a graphics enhancing dll would boost his fps? Yeesh...furthermore from a PlanetSide 2 CR/admin:

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The use of SweetFX may result in a suspension of your game account. As this isn't a tech issue, I need to close it up.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • Dictator93Dictator93 Join Date: 2008-12-21 Member: 65833Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I have been using inject SMAA since a long time ago in the beta. No banning has ever occured and probably will never occur. It passes consistency checking

    Also, SMAA does not blur the image. I recommend it.
  • Gr4cchusGr4cchus Join Date: 2013-01-08 Member: 178139Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2057840:date=Jan 8 2013, 03:12 AM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Jan 8 2013, 03:12 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2057840"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->NVIDIA Control Panel - Adjust Desktop color settings - Digital Vibrance - put that above 50%

    There you go same effect as the injector. You can also download nvidia inspector and look at NS2's profile, it lets you force MSAA, better SSAO, and more.

    If you really want to make your game look like a retarded bloom-fest like in some of those screenshots you are free to adjust those settings as well, but incompatibility will reduce framerate.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I have an Ati (7870) card, can i do it on that?
  • TroubleshooterTroubleshooter Join Date: 2012-11-15 Member: 171559Members
    edited January 2013
    The injection process is apparently not a hack, and not detectable at this time by the major anti-cheat sites (or they actively choose to ignore it). Lots of hackers in BF3 have tried to claim that their FXAA injector caused a false positive, but its already well known that outfits like Punkbuster don't check anything related to these sorts of injectors so they don't get away with that excuse. It is therefore, as of today, not something VAC should be banning anyone for.

    Can it be used to give unfair advantage? Sure... but I don't see how this is necessarily a cheat as I can probably afford a computer that 90% of gamers cant which will run these games with stratospheric FPS numbers... which also is an advantage in itself. Hell, just turning infestation rendering down to low gives a pretty solid advantage over players who leave it set to "rich" because I have no bubbles of goo blocking LOS to my target or granting some sort of environmental cammo.

    On top of all that, just adding a little red dot to your monitor gives you a "cheat" crosshair for lots of FPS games. Ultimately, people looking for an edge will use what ever means they can which won't get them banned (and some that will) because such small performance enhancers work and winning means a hell of a lot more to them than playing the game as intended.

    The point of this post is that injectors should not be banned in any game that has any kind of user-defined video settings at all. Someone is going to find just the right settings to give them their maximum advantage or get old drivers that don't render some things properly or what ever... they are going to get their edge and exploit it so why punish players who are possibly just looking to tweak the game to their liking but who may possibly be "juicing".

    The only time it truly matters is in a tournament setting, and if the tournament is to be taken seriously it will be played live on stock systems anyway. Everything else is just try-hards being try-hards.

    Having said all that... if you use an injector and VAC nails you for it... tough toenails. However, for something as innocuous as an injector being added to the ban list, it would have to be published first to avoid ensnaring lots of fidelity-snobs. Just be careful with little known or out-of-the-mainstream third party software no matter what you're up to... you never know what they are really doing.
  • lwflwf Join Date: 2006-11-03 Member: 58311Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=2057965:date=Jan 8 2013, 07:44 PM:name=Dictator93)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dictator93 @ Jan 8 2013, 07:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2057965"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have been using inject SMAA since a long time ago in the beta. No banning has ever occured and probably will never occur. It passes consistency checking

    Also, SMAA does not blur the image. I recommend it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Consistency checking is for game data files only, certainly not injected code or hooked API calls. Furthermore VAC wasn't in the beta, it was added post release.
  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2057973:date=Jan 8 2013, 03:21 PM:name=Gr4cchus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gr4cchus @ Jan 8 2013, 03:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2057973"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have an Ati (7870) card, can i do it on that?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I'm sure catalyst center or whatever they call it now has a digital vibrance or picture enhancement or whatever they call it. It's what makes colours stand out which is pretty much all the injector does aside from SMAA and HSAO/HBAO, both of which have their superior counterparts MSAA and SSAO which can be forced on with nvidia inspector or whatever AMD has so injectors aren't very useful apart from blinding you in bloom, which you can do anyway by using different bloom settings in inspector.
  • MakenshiMakenshi Join Date: 2012-10-30 Member: 164681Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2057999:date=Jan 8 2013, 03:27 PM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Jan 8 2013, 03:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2057999"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm sure catalyst center or whatever they call it now has a digital vibrance or picture enhancement or whatever they call it. It's what makes colours stand out which is pretty much all the injector does aside from SMAA and HSAO/HBAO, both of which have their superior counterparts MSAA and SSAO which can be forced on with nvidia inspector or whatever AMD has so injectors aren't very useful apart from blinding you in bloom, which you can do anyway by using different bloom settings in inspector.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    These injector-based AA also happen to have near negligible hit performance compared to the traditional MSAA and SSAA
  • GinasticGinastic Join Date: 2012-11-07 Member: 168125Members
    Can you show ss with this on?
  • RoobubbaRoobubba Who you gonna call? Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11930Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=2058160:date=Jan 8 2013, 10:19 PM:name=Ginastic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ginastic @ Jan 8 2013, 10:19 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2058160"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Can you show ss with this on?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    .... and it all went suspiciously quiet.

    Quite why people bother to change any settings that aren't in the game's graphics menu is beyond me. Been there, done that, I prefer a vanilla experience that focuses on teamwork these days.
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