Please fix loading time issue! ;)

MelancholymanMelancholyman Join Date: 2013-01-22 Member: 181178Members
edited January 2013 in NS2 General Discussion
Hi, I have read several topics about the loading time issues between maps. I have an SSD and it takes a very long time to load new maps which is annoying. I don't know how long it takes but it's around one minute, maybe more. What is strange is that when the new map starts loading, if I alt+tab out into windows, wait 10-15 seconds then alt+tab into the game again, the new map has loaded and I am in the waiting room. This suggest that the long loading times has to do with some bug ore bad optimization and not the amount of information loaded prior to every map. It would be really nice if you guys could look into this issue and maybe fix it :) Thanks for a great game!

Best Regards
Erik

<i>edit: corrected oading to loading --Zaggy</i>
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  • AsranielAsraniel Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 724Members, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Retired Community Developer
    I'm not sure what you said. Do you say the map loads faster if you alt tab out?
  • _Necro__Necro_ Join Date: 2011-02-15 Member: 81895Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited January 2013
    Please confirm, that it is related to alt-tabbing and has not another cause.
    For example, the first time you load a map after starting NS2 is slower than loading a map at a map-change.
    Additionally there are some servers (like HBZ) with advanced consistency checking. This takes more time while loading into the map.
    And lastly. You are sure you have installed NS2 on your SSD?
  • MiniH0wieMiniH0wie Join Date: 2007-11-25 Member: 63013Members
    edited January 2013
    <!--quoteo(post=2064782:date=Jan 22 2013, 06:06 AM:name=Asraniel)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Asraniel @ Jan 22 2013, 06:06 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2064782"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm not sure what you said. Do you say the map loads faster if you alt tab out?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yup, this isn't the first time I've heard someone mention this.

    However I don't have a SSD and my loading times are pretty decent, usually around ~15 seconds normally.



    Is is possibly a computer performance issue or a network speed issue?
  • rmbrown09rmbrown09 Join Date: 2012-10-17 Member: 162592Members
    Also have ssd. Without alt tab its about a minute. Alt tab count to 5 and reopen to ready room.
  • GamerkatzeGamerkatze Join Date: 2012-06-27 Member: 153711Members
    same here (ssd). are you using texture streaming or normal ?
  • PinocchioPinocchio Join Date: 2012-11-09 Member: 168633Members
    edited January 2013
    Do you use VSync? Framerate has something to do with the loadingtimes as far as i have heard.... when alt - tabbing frames per second are maybe unlimited.

    I dont use vsync, loading takes about 10-15 sec. I had to send back my gtx680 and i had a HD7950 in the meantime which isnt as "fast" as my gtx680 but for any reason the precaching was way faster with the AMD card so loading took about 5 seconds....that was strange....
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    My load times took a dump in the last build. I went from 5 second loads to nearly 10. It isn't that bad in the grand scheme, but if you think about it, that's a 200% increase in load time.
  • Know painKnow pain Join Date: 2012-09-04 Member: 157674Members
    I've only found the first load to be really bad, it's like joining a server then making a fast food run and come back to see it still loading.
  • PinocchioPinocchio Join Date: 2012-11-09 Member: 168633Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2064969:date=Jan 22 2013, 07:54 PM:name=CommunistWithAGun)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CommunistWithAGun @ Jan 22 2013, 07:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2064969"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->My load times took a dump in the last build. I went from 5 second loads to nearly 10. It isn't that bad in the grand scheme, but if you think about it, that's a 200% increase in load time.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    its actually a 100% increase, 200% would mean it takes 15sec now ;)
  • MelancholymanMelancholyman Join Date: 2013-01-22 Member: 181178Members
    edited January 2013
    <!--quoteo(post=2064782:date=Jan 22 2013, 01:06 PM:name=Asraniel)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Asraniel @ Jan 22 2013, 01:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2064782"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm not sure what you said. Do you say the map loads faster if you alt tab out?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What I said should be quite clear from my statements. I don't see any ambiguity. Yes, the map loads faster if I alt tab out and then at tab back in.

    <!--quoteo(post=2064787:date=Jan 22 2013, 01:11 PM:name=_Necro_)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (_Necro_ @ Jan 22 2013, 01:11 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2064787"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Please confirm, that it is related to alt-tabbing and has not another cause.
    For example, the first time you load a map after starting NS2 is slower than loading a map at a map-change.
    Additionally there are some servers (like HBZ) with advanced consistency checking. This takes more time while loading into the map.
    And lastly. You are sure you have installed NS2 on your SSD?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    It is not slower when loading a map first time, it's the same time every time, except when I tab out to windows and back into the game. It is installed on my SSD, and there is no difference between servers as far as I can see.

    <!--quoteo(post=2064914:date=Jan 22 2013, 06:35 PM:name=Gamerkatze)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gamerkatze @ Jan 22 2013, 06:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2064914"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->same here (ssd). are you using texture streaming or normal ?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I am using normal, there is a faster loading time with texture streaming, but it's not that significant, and the game freezes if I use texture streaming, this might be caused because I use SLI I don't know.

    <!--quoteo(post=2064917:date=Jan 22 2013, 06:37 PM:name=Pinocchio)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinocchio @ Jan 22 2013, 06:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2064917"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Do you use VSync? Framerate has something to do with the loadingtimes as far as i have heard.... when alt - tabbing frames per second are maybe unlimited.

    I dont use vsync, loading takes about 10-15 sec. I had to send back my gtx680 and i had a HD7950 in the meantime which isnt as "fast" as my gtx680 but for any reason the precaching was way faster with the AMD card so loading took about 5 seconds....that was strange....<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I use adaptive vsync, thus vsync is turned off in the game but on in the nvidia control panel.
  • Ness_FrogKingNess_FrogKing Join Date: 2012-10-18 Member: 162628Members
    Try deleting the cache folder at (on Windows 7, not sure about other OSes) "%appdata%\Natural Selection 2\cache"

    The very first time that each map is loaded after that will take forever as it rebuilds the cache (so maybe load up a private server and cycle through the maps), but loads afterward will hopefully be much quicker.
  • derWalterderWalter Join Date: 2008-10-29 Member: 65323Members
    edited January 2013
    thats good :)


    you know why? because of all the consistency checking ns2 does, to prevent cheaters :)

    loading a ns2 map, first consistency checking, which i use to open the console and type j1 for joining marines
    or j2 for joining aliens and when the readyroom pops i just hit enter and start playing :)
  • derWalterderWalter Join Date: 2008-10-29 Member: 65323Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2064917:date=Jan 22 2013, 07:37 PM:name=Pinocchio)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinocchio @ Jan 22 2013, 07:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2064917"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Do you use VSync? Framerate has something to do with the loadingtimes as far as i have heard.... when alt - tabbing frames per second are maybe unlimited.

    I dont use vsync, loading takes about 10-15 sec. I had to send back my gtx680 and i had a HD7950 in the meantime which isnt as "fast" as my gtx680 but for any reason the precaching was way faster with the AMD card so loading took about 5 seconds....that was strange....<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    maybe because of the poor memory connection on the 600 series?
  • MelancholymanMelancholyman Join Date: 2013-01-22 Member: 181178Members
    Well, it's not a big problem. I'll just continue alt+tabbing :)
  • PinocchioPinocchio Join Date: 2012-11-09 Member: 168633Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2065209:date=Jan 23 2013, 02:59 AM:name=derWalter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (derWalter @ Jan 23 2013, 02:59 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2065209"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->maybe because of the poor memory connection on the 600 series?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    sounds legit! :)
  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    About a month ago or so I started getting loading times of over a minute again (it went quickly for a while), it's really ######ing stupid, I can max out at 60fps at ANY stage of the game, but I'm always the last person into the sever. (I play borderless mode if relevent)
  • MobyMoby Join Date: 2009-08-13 Member: 68450Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Guys, its approved, well at least with NVIDIA Cards I can say, disable VSYNC in NS2 options and you will have fast loading times again.

    My Story:
    I was bothered with those half frames on my screen, and my GTX680 had no problem to sustain those 60FPS, so I turned the VSYNC option on.
    Well had a poor timing with that option change, since also Build 236 arrived at the same moment.
    My loading times also went through the roof, before, I was always the first on the server, then most times I was one of the last ones arriving. BÄH.
    I reinstalled the game, reinstalled the drivers, twitched with Nvidia Control Panel, disabled everything (antivirus, firewall, etc.). AND THEN -> I disabled the VSYNC.
    WHAT A DIFFERENCE, I had my old loading times back again.
    So it is approved, VSYNC Kills Loading Times. Funny though, what a load has to do with a screen refresh signal.
  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    That's ######ing stupid, I love vsync too =/ On an unrelated note, anyone get slightly more noticable fps drops in HUGE combat areas (like CO level combat, though I had it happen on tram once) after build 236?
  • MelancholymanMelancholyman Join Date: 2013-01-22 Member: 181178Members
    I can confirm this now also. I turned off vsync in Nvidia control panel as well, and I now have insanely fast loading times :O So I guess it's between screen tearing and slow loading times, I'm going for the latter. The alt+tab options is still there :)
  • Racer1Racer1 Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9615Members
    Try going into nVidia control panel settings and turn "Thread Optimization" to "Off". See if that helps. A number of other games have complained about this before.
    (This reportedly affects nVidia cards only).

    P.S. Even if changing this setting fixes <i>this</i> problem, it may cause other problems. So, no promises.
  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    Just tested this, can confirm turning off vsync sped up my load times a LOT. Can someone come up with a good reason for this? I'm so mad >:[
  • IronHorseIronHorse Developer, QA Manager, Technical Support & contributor Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71669Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester, Subnautica PT Lead, Pistachionauts
    Good find guys, and thanks for the info.
    Passed along to devs.
  • SteveRockSteveRock Join Date: 2012-10-01 Member: 161215Members, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
    edited January 2013
    Hey guys, we're looking into this now. Deus Ex: Human Revolution had this same problem...so forgive us :) <a href="http://www.gamespot.com/deus-ex-human-revolution/forum/wow-turning-off-v-sync-cuts-down-the-loading-times-quite-a-bit-60126857/" target="_blank">http://www.gamespot.com/deus-ex-human-revo...a-bit-60126857/</a>
  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    Thank you, do you need any other information that might help it get fixed? Hardware/drivers/OS/etc.
  • MelancholymanMelancholyman Join Date: 2013-01-22 Member: 181178Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2065634:date=Jan 24 2013, 12:06 AM:name=SteveRock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SteveRock @ Jan 24 2013, 12:06 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2065634"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hey guys, we're looking into this now. Deus Ex: Human Revolution had this same problem...so forgive us :) <a href="http://www.gamespot.com/deus-ex-human-revolution/forum/wow-turning-off-v-sync-cuts-down-the-loading-times-quite-a-bit-60126857/" target="_blank">http://www.gamespot.com/deus-ex-human-revo...a-bit-60126857/</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Great! ThX!
  • ZEROibisZEROibis Join Date: 2009-10-30 Member: 69176Members, Constellation
    I would suggest to make it so that the first load stuff occurs when you first start the game instead of first join a server. This will help prevent there being players that take crazy long times to load into the actual server while they do all the first run stuff. On rookie servers this can eat up a good chunk of player count.
  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    That would be nice, but before turning off vsync I had slow (almost a minute, maybe more) loads, EVERY map change. No just the first game of the server.
  • MaxMax Technical Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment Join Date: 2002-03-15 Member: 318Super Administrators, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    Thanks for reporting this. I am looking into it.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2064981:date=Jan 22 2013, 01:22 PM:name=Pinocchio)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinocchio @ Jan 22 2013, 01:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2064981"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->its actually a 100% increase, 200% would mean it takes 15sec now ;)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah i know, I made a bad typo. Still, big increase ;)
  • phoenixbbsphoenixbbs Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13379Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Subnautica Playtester
    How hard would it be to keep a local variable that contains the user-selected vsync status ?

    If that was set to "on", the game could dynamically switch it off when you go to join a server, and back on once you're in the RR...
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