Ns_nancy Map Exploit
Zeriam
Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11602Members
Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11602Members
<div class="IPBDescription">My view of it as a legitimate strategy.</div> I was commander and did this "exploit" one time and used it to play an actual game. I view it as a valid strategy until it gets fixed. I had one person stay in the base with me and the other all went to an uninhabitated hive right at the game start. I built the Infantry Portal and the marine that built it killed himself. I think put a new Command Console up top where you can see two amrines standing in one picture. Then I out base back inside. We were capturing many Resource Points and very quickly so I built an Arms Lab and Prototype Lab outside. The Prototype Lab was too close to the Armory so I ended up building one inside the cockpit and the marines built through the wall. Once done with upgrades I just recycled it because I had another but just could not select it. We ended up seiging the second hive easily because we never got in the new Command Console shortly before the original was destroyed by a rush. I then placed an Observatory, Armory, and Phase Gate outside (I fit more later.. When my team got to the hive, we immediately built a Phase Gate and all but 2 marines went back to get ammo. We built a Turret Factory and Turrets and the Resource Tower to secure our only passage between space and inside the map. We quickly held other areas since no marine was needed to defend base. We also placed Phase Gates frequently to insure safe passge throughout the map and from needed to return to base. Before the game was over we constantly had over 300 resources and I had already upgraded everything possible. I would do a Distress beacon everytime a single marine died just because we had so many resources and I didn't want them waiting. We ended up taking out the final hive via brute force just to have fun. The marines declined a seige. They were having more fun just shooting everything in sight. Now my story is overwith here are the reasons I think this is a valid strategy when not used just to sit there and be a lamer. It does not give the marine an unfair advantage (although it did, due to lack of information on the part of the aliens). They thought we were just sitting out there doing nothing, therefore many just sat at the hive while we captured strategic places around the map. Little did they know we were even inside the actual map. They eventually found out, but we got upgrades shortly after and there was nothing they could do about it. We seiged the second hive and built defenses like I said and they had no where to go. If they rushed our base, there was nothing to kill. Now here is why I say it doesn't give us an advantage as long as you know. Most of you (yet some people still don't know) that you can damage everything out there through the glass. The lerk can Spore Gas(but that doesn't damage structures), but Fades can really take it out with Acid Rocket or Bile Bomb. In my situation they only had a few Fades though. See the placement of the Infantry Portal? A Skulk can bite it to death because it is close enough to the glass. Also, you can take a Phase Gate in, we had no turrets set up. I have found it almost impossible to set up turrets at base outside the cockpit, there is no defense at all. One person could go in, destroy the Infantry Portal then the Phase Gate and be stuck out there alone and kill everything. It really would then be a disadvantage because we could do nothing to stop them. I'm sorry that this is such a long post, just wanted to let you guys know this can be used as a legitimate tactic. I'm ready for flames, but with this information and maybe if you try it once or twice, you will see otherwise. Oh yeah and one other thing, the admin was on when I did it and he somewhat agreed. He was on aliens though so he said not to do it again. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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But its a legitime strategy to recycle your first main base for 2 bases in 2 hives.
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and IP please
<!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> hehe
jk
Shame you you :o
lol
If you think placing a structure - not to mention <i>people</i> - in an area of the map that's supposed to be plain void, with nothing but one cramped point of access, and that requires at least 2-hive abilities to even <i>harm</i> it effectively (don't tell me a Skulk would survive long while hanging to that window), is legitimate, <b>think again</b>.
You do, however, label a doubtlessly unblancing exploit as generally legitimate, and thus, it really doesn't matter how easy it would've been for teamworking aliens to win your one game - you make a point about all games that could possibly take place on Nancy, and there, this is officially considered an illegal exploit. Period.
You can also do a fade exploit with AR and BB to hit them too.
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Function: verb
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I don't agree at all. The current version of my SI map, Forge, has what's known as a Hall of Mirrors effect in the lobby of one of the bases. It's a very odd-looking visual, the same effect as what happens when you see outside the map. Did I intend this? Did I like the way that it looked? Did I think it was avant-garde, or cool? Did I think it was funny? Absolutely not. It was an error created by the compile tools. So yes, there are things in the map that I did not intend to be there.
Similarly, if DevilDog had known that there would be people building outside the map, I'm sure he would've fixed it. Make no mistake -- this IS an exploit, and a very frustrating one to combat. There is no rationalization possible.
Trying to argue that givign yourself an UNFAIR advantage is somehow legitimate is useless. Its a cheat, its and exploit, whatever you want to call it. If you think using map exloits is fine, then I think your a lame commander. A good Comm would know how to win without using exploits. Obviously, you are not a good Comm.
Anything can be justified, whether its fair or moral is to be decided by the other players, NOT you.
STAYING ON TOPIC GETTING TO THE DAMN POINT WOULD'VE BEEN EASIER "We built on the lasers outside the glass in space" NOT
Yup, I would agree
BARRING ONE THING
Ok, the alien ---> marines thing
IT WAS THERE TO BE DONE, just like the building outside.
So are honestly trying to say it is COMPLETELY fair for people to use this exploit?
Somehow, I don't know why, but I may have to disagree with you on this.
Oh yea, im also totally sure that the alien resource exploit was THERE TO BE DONE, so it must be fair by your analogy, yes?
Well, I can't QUITE see the logic behind your thought, but I dunno, cos I may think different, that may just be me...........
Oh btw, try to read your posts, AN EXPLOIT IS FAIR according to you. Ooooooookay that makes really good sense doesn't it?
A definition :
exploit
<security> A security hole or an instance of taking advantage
of a security hole.
Tell u what, do that in a clanbase CW and see if you get allowed the match out come, or get kicked out of CB?
RoFL, I can hardly believe people, it is a joke how they think an exploit is fair <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
The bottom line: If you use <i>any</i> exploit, you had it coming. No argument necessary.
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