Is MrChoke finally going to stop complaining about balance?
MrChoke
Join Date: 2012-12-13 Member: 174990Members, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Shadow
Join Date: 2012-12-13 Member: 174990Members, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Shadow
I played 25 games since "Gorgeous". Aliens have won 13 and marines 12, only 52%!!!! The first game on the patch marines won. Marines can win again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NS2Stats.org shows marines actually winning more than aliens but only at 54%!!! So to answer the question, YES, I am going to stop complaining about balance. This game is FIXED.
When I read the patch notes I had serious doubts. Part of the reason I did was balance changes DID get in there. "Squeal LIke a Pig" confirmed a bile bomb nerf that was never mentioned. Also, a HUGE thing that I swear was not in the patch notes is the tracers on projectiles. When Lerks and Gorges fire anything you get a line of sight to where they are. Its huge! Railguns are better than I thought too. This patch is nothing short of outstanding. Thank you UWE. I would have paid good money for this patch. I am going talk to all my friends now and say this game is fixed and see if I can get them to buy it.
When I read the patch notes I had serious doubts. Part of the reason I did was balance changes DID get in there. "Squeal LIke a Pig" confirmed a bile bomb nerf that was never mentioned. Also, a HUGE thing that I swear was not in the patch notes is the tracers on projectiles. When Lerks and Gorges fire anything you get a line of sight to where they are. Its huge! Railguns are better than I thought too. This patch is nothing short of outstanding. Thank you UWE. I would have paid good money for this patch. I am going talk to all my friends now and say this game is fixed and see if I can get them to buy it.
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math can help to see balance between teams, but for sure is not it what aprove a good change.
marines can win before Oo.. just match against who know how to play.
I regret this slow skulk as a fast game i think ns2 was.
I think if Skulk is tweaked a little bit, the balance will still be fine, along with funner Skulks zooming around the vents.
Balance is defined as if two teams of equal skill play eachother, both teams will win the same amount or have the defining factor be strategy. It also implies that if one faction wins all the early game wins and the other the late game wins than it is not balanced.
We say yesterday in the nsl tourney that marines are biased early, if aliens can get to fades/skulks without the marines having too much tech then its a good game.
The game isn't like other rts where ai units have set range, accuracy, movement speed, etc, so saying a game is balanced off of win rate from a pub server with probably stacked teams is like saying the titanic is unsinkable when all you did is test a 4 foot model.
So in essence, you just like playing marines. You were just whining cause you'd do poorly, because I've seen probably a 70-80% marine win ratio thus far. I can just fire my pistol down a hall and it somehow hits a skulk I'm not aiming at, if you think the game is now balanced you see things through a colored lens.
Balance in this game is way off, the only thing you could make a point for balance IMO would be win %'s, which in no way equates to actual balance. But it's ok, it's still sorta fun regardless, hopefully they can figure out a way to stop obsessing over win rates and statistics and percentages and just use their brains (which spawned the entire game, why not rely on it for balance too?)
Aliens: 49.12%
Marines: 50.88%
Games under 15 minutes of length:
Aliens: 3766 wins
Marines: 4384
The total number of NS2 games played since launch is fast approaching 1,000,000.
You need to give out a prize. Seriously. No, I mean it. Give out a prize to the players in the millionth game since launch.
Why can't I awesome this post more than once?
Give the winning team a million res nodes.
Just seems a shame that alien and most noticeably the skulks game play has to feel so terrible to achieve this.
I am sorry but I should not have marines able to out position me once I am in biting range and have landed blows.
The acceleration on direction changes that marines have is silly compared to how sluggish aliens are.
Sure is nice to have 50 - 50 win rates...just a shame that the kill death column on aliens is barley breaking even...even in games their winning.
Marines is great fun to play....skulks not ater about 4-5 min of game time...just a shame you have to respawn as one when you die.
Where can I find these stats?
There were many more marine than alien wins last night in the comp scene
He's an NS2 Developer - I think you can rely on his stats.
This is exactly what happened when NS 2 first released, the win rates were heavily skewed since beta, then went back to 50/50 more or less upon release and then several weeks down the line it just settled at 60/40 again.
To be honest, I've seen a lot of fun games lately, that last longer overall and seem to be more evenly balanced. Don't know if that's because of the changes, or because of the new players, or just coincidence, but it in any case it's looking better than before. So I'm fairly optimistic.
If that is overall, that surprises me. But then again, I didn't play right at the start of launch. I started maybe 3 weeks later. Anyway, if you could take stats of only build 240 games, I wonder how balanced it is. For the little its worth, personally, I have played 35 games, marines have won 19, this is 54% marines. With build 238/239, I finish like 71 games (before I stopped playing) and my ratio was 74% aliens. Yeah, I am much happier now.