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edited October 2012
Exo Minigun not scaling is probably caused by the weapon not being owned by the Exo, but rather by his left or right hand. A bit of a strange implementation, but that's how it is.
(note: no balance changes for b223 as it was a hotfix)
there are plans for a similar web-based application which will be put on <a href="http://ns2hub.com/" target="_blank">ns2hub</a>. feedback and ideas are needed and welcome, please post in this thread: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=122046" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...howtopic=122046</a>
charts updated to b224. official changelog: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/news/2012/10/beta_build_224_released" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/news/2012...ld_224_released</a>
-Exo Claw damage not scaling anymore (edit: now confirmed, Claw and Minigun don't sclae with weapon upgrades) -replaced Skulk's Bite with BiteMinor (25 damage), BiteMedium (50 damage) and BiteFull (75 damage) the skulk's bite-damage depends on how good you hit since b224. you will probably mix up many different kinds of bite-hits in a real combat situation, but having the nr. hits for minor bites easily allows you to calculate any combination (because medium bite is 2*minor, full bite is 3*minor). plus i think people should be aware of this as it is the only attack which has such a mechanic.
updated charts to b226. official changelog: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/news/2012/10/beta_build_226_our_last_beta_build" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/news/2012...last_beta_build</a>
charts updated to b229, official changelog: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/news/2012/11/build_229_is_now_live_on_steam" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/news/2012...w_live_on_steam</a>
no changes in b227. but for b228 and/or b229 there are two changes:
Fade Vortex energy cost 60->40 (reminder: energy pool is 100, or 200 with adrenaline)
Alien Regeneration seems to have changed: regen-intervalls are sped up from 2 to 1 seconds regeneration used to be 20 per second (maybe +5% of maximum health when on infestation), the mechanics are now changed:
charts updated to b230. official changelog: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/news/2012/11/build_230_is_now_live_on_steam" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/news/2012...w_live_on_steam</a>
just to confirm that the charts are up to date: b233 still has the same values as b230 (won't bother reposting them for the sake of changing the version number).
updated charts to b234. however, nothing has changed except for the addition of one item: <!--c1--><div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><!--ec1-->DisruptMarineTimeout: 4<!--c2--></div><!--ec2--> it is very likely related to onos' stomp.
updated charts to b236. official changelog: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/news/2013/1/build_236_is_now_live_on_steam" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/news/2013...w_live_on_steam</a>
<b>unofficial</b> balance changelog (with hints for upcoming content):
<u><b>new</b></u> in the files (but NOT necessarily in the game so these values might still be changed/removed/replaced before the content is released):
<b>Damage:</b> Railgun : 100 | Puncture RailgunCharge : 25 | Unknown (no damage type specified for this, probably Puncture as well)
the current chart-format is not compatible with the new forum yet (too many characters per post). i got upcoming exams next week so it might take a bit to deal with this...
thanks.
well, i can at least give some insight into b238 changes (assuming no balance changes happened in b237), remember this is NOT an official changelog. edit: official changelog here: http://unknownworlds.com/ns2/natural_selection_2_build_238/
NOTE: some of these values may not be used yet and could still be changed when the associated content is included!
health/armor
new: babbler eggs have 300 health and no armor.
cost
new: ClawRailgunExosuit: 50
new: Babbler: 1
research cost
new: ClawRailgunTech : 20
research time
new: ClawRailgunTech : 60
build time
BabblerEgg: 4->8 (this is usually in seconds. as you can see they are still adjusting the values here and there...)
point values
new: BabblerEgg: 0
misc
GrenadeLauncherGrenadeDamageRadius: 8->6
ShotgunBulletsPerShot: 10->17 (however: as seen earlier, the overall damage for the shotgun should only be increased by 10%)
new: GorgeArmorTunnelDamagePerSecond: 5 (no idea what this does)
changed: NumBabblersPerGorge: 10 -> NumBabblerEggsPerGorge: 3
new: NumBabblersPerEgg: 3
changed: CystMinParentRange: 6 -> CystRedeployRange: 6 (CystMaxParentRange still exists)
MinWebLength: 1.5->0.5
MaxWebLength: 6->8
so here's the situation:
the new forum allows less characters per post than before and the codeboxes (which had scrolling) are gone. well, at least there is some fancy codehighliting now.
allowed character limit per post seems to be somewhere around 19-20k. the "Attacks until Death/Destruction"-chart takes more than 170k so splitting it up among several posts won't help much (also because the possibility of scrolling is gone).
solution:
the "Attacks until Death/Destruction" is gone for now. i will probably upload it as a plain .txt or something sometime soon. in the long run, ns2hub will host a much better format of the data anyway (arga is still a bit busy and i'm moving out + there is one exam left, so hang in there please ) .
all the other charts take up ~37k combined, so i split that up to fit into two posts which might already be enough for many people to dig into.
I'm curious about the power node points bug: in game it says +15 for destroying a power node, in your extracted info it says this, but it actually gives you +30 on the scoreboard (still does this!). Where is that x2 coming from?!
can only guess (as you said, it's a bug). maybe the game somehow thinks you destroyed it twice due to the special way power works compared to ordinary structures.
anyway, i uploaded the missing chart (as well as everything else) and added scrollbars. i guess that should do for now. link is in the first post, and also here: laoshra.batcave.net/b238.html
inofficial changelog:
note: the "changes" regarding babblers, gorge tunnels and railguns are listed because these values were listed in patches before, even before the content being officially released (check earlier post about b236 for more detail)
claw:
damage 50->60
railgun:
damage type puncture->structural
railgun charge 100->150
babbler:
damage 5->10
health|armor 30|0->30|5
bile bomb:
damage 70->55
gorge tunnel:
tres cost 20->30
new:
PistolMinFireDelay : 0.1 (this is marked as being unused yet)
ClawWeight : 0.05
MinigunWeight : 0.15
RailgunWeight : 0.0
MarineWeaponHealth : 400
so here's the situation:
the new forum allows less characters per post than before and the codeboxes (which had scrolling) are gone. well, at least there is some fancy codehighliting now.
allowed character limit per post seems to be somewhere around 19-20k. the "Attacks until Death/Destruction"-chart takes more than 170k so splitting it up among several posts won't help much (also because the possibility of scrolling is gone).
solution:
the "Attacks until Death/Destruction" is gone for now. i will probably upload it as a plain .txt or something sometime soon. in the long run, ns2hub will host a much better format of the data anyway (arga is still a bit busy and i'm moving out + there is one exam left, so hang in there please ) .
all the other charts take up ~37k combined, so i split that up to fit into two posts which might already be enough for many people to dig into.
as for the patch: wow! thats a lot of changes. luckily i tailored my script to be as dynamic as possible but with this massive amount of changes and i cannot guarantee that the charts will be free of bugs, especially since i didn't get to play ns2 myself since a couple of patches.
some hard-coded stuff i'm taking into consideration now:
-changed puncture factor 1.25->1.5
-miniguns now scale with weapon upgrades (claw and railgun still don't scale? can someone confirm this?)
-flamethrower and grenade launchers don't scale with weapon upgrades anymore
Could you possibly do CSV or some easily convertible to html format?
here is the stuff in csv (i did not check for errors though!): laoshra.batcave.net/b250.csv
the reason i dont fiddle as much with this matlab script is that i'd rather get the new one done (plus duty-stuff).
already noticed a "bug": drifter and MAC attacks are still listed (they cannot attack anymore)
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adjusted rifle rate-of-fire from 0.555 to 0.560 to match "2.8 seconds to empty a clip" as explained in the video.
there are plans for a similar web-based application which will be put on <a href="http://ns2hub.com/" target="_blank">ns2hub</a>. feedback and ideas are needed and welcome, please post in this thread: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=122046" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...howtopic=122046</a>
-replaced Skulk's Bite with BiteMinor (25 damage), BiteMedium (50 damage) and BiteFull (75 damage)
the skulk's bite-damage depends on how good you hit since b224.
you will probably mix up many different kinds of bite-hits in a real combat situation, but having the nr. hits for minor bites easily allows you to calculate any combination (because medium bite is 2*minor, full bite is 3*minor).
plus i think people should be aware of this as it is the only attack which has such a mechanic.
no changes in b227. but for b228 and/or b229 there are two changes:
Fade Vortex energy cost 60->40 (reminder: energy pool is 100, or 200 with adrenaline)
Alien Regeneration seems to have changed:
regen-intervalls are sped up from 2 to 1 seconds
regeneration used to be 20 per second (maybe +5% of maximum health when on infestation), the mechanics are now changed:
AlienInnateRegenerationPercentage : 0.02
AlienMinInnateRegeneration : 1
AlienMaxInnateRegeneration : 20
AlienRegenerationPercentage : 0.09
AlienMinRegeneration : 10
AlienMaxRegeneration : 120
AlienRegenerationCombatModifier : 0.2
<!--c1--><div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><!--ec1-->DisruptMarineTimeout: 4<!--c2--></div><!--ec2-->
it is very likely related to onos' stomp.
(have not explicitly tested this in game)
<b>unofficial</b> balance changelog (with hints for upcoming content):
<u><b>new</b></u> in the files (but NOT necessarily in the game so these values might still be changed/removed/replaced before the content is released):
<b>Damage:</b>
Railgun : 100 | Puncture
RailgunCharge : 25 | Unknown (no damage type specified for this, probably Puncture as well)
<b>Energy cost:</b>
BabblerPheromone : 7
<b>Health</b> | <b>Armor</b> || <b>vs Light</b> | <b>vs Normal</b> | <b>vs Heavy</b> | <b>vs Puncture</b> | <b>vs Structure</b> | <b>vs StructureLight</b> | <b>vs Door</b>:
TunnelEntrance : 1400 | 0 || 1400 | 1400 | 1400 | 1400 | 700 | 1400 | 700
MatureTunnelEntrance : 1600 | 100 || 2000 | 1800 | 1700 | 1800 | 900 | 2000 | 850
<b>Cost:</b>
DualRailgunExosuit : 75
Railgun : 30
GorgeTunnel : 10
WebBuild : 1
StartBoneShield : 10
<b>Research cost:</b>
DualRailgunTech : 20
GorgeTunnel : 20
Web : 20
BabblerAbility : 30
<b>Research time:</b>
GorgeTunnel : 60
Web : 60
BabblerAbility : 90
<b>Build time:</b>
GorgeTunnel : 15
BabblerEgg : 4
<b>Maturation time:</b>
TunnelEntrance : 120
<b>Point value</b>:
TunnelEntrance : 15
<b>Misc:</b>
NumBabblersPerGorge : 10
WebbedDuration : 1
BoneShieldEnergyPerSecond : 15
BoneShieldDamageAbsorbPerEnergy : 10
BoneShieldAbsorbFraction : 0.9
NumWebsPerGorge : 10
NumGorgeTunnels : 2
CystMaxParentRange : 15
CystMinParentRange : 6
MinWebLength : 1.5
MaxWebLength : 6
<u><b>Changed:</b></u>
<b>Research time:</b>
DualMinigunTech : from 20 to 60
<b>Point values:</b>
Babbler : from 1 to 0
<u><b>Removed:</b></u>
<b>Cost:</b>
EvolveBabblers : 15
CragBabblers : 15
<b>Research cost:</b>
WebStalk : 30
<b>Research time:</b>
EvolveBabblers : 30
WebStalk : 90
<b>Misc:</b>
WebStalkPerHive : 2
CystParentRange : 15 (there are now min and max values)
Hope you'll find time to update the stats afterwards. They are most helpful.
well, i can at least give some insight into b238 changes (assuming no balance changes happened in b237), remember this is NOT an official changelog. edit: official changelog here: http://unknownworlds.com/ns2/natural_selection_2_build_238/
NOTE: some of these values may not be used yet and could still be changed when the associated content is included!
damage
shotgun: 170/187/204/221 -> 187/206/224/243 (it got a 10% damage boost)
railgun 100->50
railgun charge 25->100
spit (gorge) 40->30
new: babbler damage 5 (no damage type specified)
health/armor
new: babbler eggs have 300 health and no armor.
cost
new: ClawRailgunExosuit: 50
new: Babbler: 1
research cost
new: ClawRailgunTech : 20
research time
new: ClawRailgunTech : 60
build time
BabblerEgg: 4->8 (this is usually in seconds. as you can see they are still adjusting the values here and there...)
point values
new: BabblerEgg: 0
misc
GrenadeLauncherGrenadeDamageRadius: 8->6
ShotgunBulletsPerShot: 10->17 (however: as seen earlier, the overall damage for the shotgun should only be increased by 10%)
new: GorgeArmorTunnelDamagePerSecond: 5 (no idea what this does)
changed: NumBabblersPerGorge: 10 -> NumBabblerEggsPerGorge: 3
new: NumBabblersPerEgg: 3
changed: CystMinParentRange: 6 -> CystRedeployRange: 6 (CystMaxParentRange still exists)
MinWebLength: 1.5->0.5
MaxWebLength: 6->8
the new forum allows less characters per post than before and the codeboxes (which had scrolling) are gone. well, at least there is some fancy codehighliting now.
allowed character limit per post seems to be somewhere around 19-20k. the "Attacks until Death/Destruction"-chart takes more than 170k so splitting it up among several posts won't help much (also because the possibility of scrolling is gone).
solution:
the "Attacks until Death/Destruction" is gone for now. i will probably upload it as a plain .txt or something sometime soon. in the long run, ns2hub will host a much better format of the data anyway (arga is still a bit busy and i'm moving out + there is one exam left, so hang in there please
all the other charts take up ~37k combined, so i split that up to fit into two posts which might already be enough for many people to dig into.
anyway, i uploaded the missing chart (as well as everything else) and added scrollbars. i guess that should do for now. link is in the first post, and also here: laoshra.batcave.net/b238.html
note: the "changes" regarding babblers, gorge tunnels and railguns are listed because these values were listed in patches before, even before the content being officially released (check earlier post about b236 for more detail)
claw:
damage 50->60
railgun:
damage type puncture->structural
railgun charge 100->150
babbler:
damage 5->10
health|armor 30|0->30|5
bile bomb:
damage 70->55
gorge tunnel:
tres cost 20->30
new:
PistolMinFireDelay : 0.1 (this is marked as being unused yet)
ClawWeight : 0.05
MinigunWeight : 0.15
RailgunWeight : 0.0
MarineWeaponHealth : 400
Thanks for all your hard work!
some hard-coded stuff i'm taking into consideration now:
-changed puncture factor 1.25->1.5
-miniguns now scale with weapon upgrades (claw and railgun still don't scale? can someone confirm this?)
-flamethrower and grenade launchers don't scale with weapon upgrades anymore
HERE ARE THE CHARTS: laoshra.batcave.net/b250.html
here is the stuff in csv (i did not check for errors though!): laoshra.batcave.net/b250.csv
the reason i dont fiddle as much with this matlab script is that i'd rather get the new one done (plus duty-stuff).
already noticed a "bug": drifter and MAC attacks are still listed (they cannot attack anymore)