Flame throwers?
kendope
Join Date: 2013-04-06 Member: 184663Members
Join Date: 2013-04-06 Member: 184663Members
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You have to take into account the opportunity cost of getting a flamethrower. You could instead get a shotgun, which will accomplish anything a flamethrower can better, except maybe killing cysts, which is something you shouldn't be doing in the first place. For example, fades losing adrenaline because of a flamethrower is a moot point, because if you had a shotgun, you could have emptied a shell in it doing much more damage.
The aliens are doing something very, very wrong if you can kill cysts unhindered. A flamethrower marine is easy pickings for any lifeform. Again, opportunity cost. If you can kill 30-50 cysts without the aliens doing anything about it, you could have a shotgun instead and kill upgrades, lifeforms and even hives against that same team.
1)Killing cyst chains (JP only, like 30 seconds to clear a full path towards a hive)
Someone pulled a fast one and his brain got tricked.
There is not much more annoying for the alien com than a jp/ft destroying your entire cyst chain, forcing you to focus on recysting for a while after the threat has been eliminated or has run away (only to return muahaha).
A shotgun can't kill cysts as fast as a flamethrower. A jetpack makes travel time fast, your gone before the cyst is even dead.
The aliens are doing something really wrong. The speed that one can kill cysts with a jp/fl, you are pretty much gone by the time the aliens even do respond. Cysts being killed I think is a low priority in pubs I guess.
I did say that flamethrowers do kill cysts faster than a shotgun, but that's the only thing they're good for. And no, a jetpack isn't as fast as to be able to escape a fade who's coming in to check what's going on with the cysts. You're assuming that the alien coming to check on you will see a dead cyst, no marine within a 5 meter radius and go "huh, well better go do something else". It's trivial for the alien to find the marine if he's given his position away by killing cysts, and this is even without drifters.
And killing cysts should be of extremely low priority, flamethrower or not, comp or pub. Killing mature cysts is absolutely useless in most cases, unless you're clearing a spot to build on yourself. The time and damage you deal to cysts could be spent in dozens of different ways that are more effective.
Say, aliens have 3 hives on docking, and all the action is always at locker and dep. There's nobody at generator, khamm won't bother to fortify it. All you have to do is fly on top of the hive and empty few clips.
I do this everytime I see aliens got a hive like this, success rate is very high.
its only usefull in a pub server, when you have a 3-5man premade party, with jet packs rushing the hive.
pretty usefull tactic, if you are playing the game 1v1
Besides killing cysts and gas, they really aren't so much useful as they are fun. Even sane human beings have a strange attraction to fire and its destructive power.
Herp Derp, I've been in overdrive the last few weeks and my brain is paying the price. I pulled up to pump 1 at a gas station but had a fiver in my hand so I put the money on that pump and had to move my car. I hope it's not Alzheimer.
I figure you can all follow the ramblings of my shattered mind.
See, we are not talking about comp here.
omnipresent fades love their cysts.
I don't even follow that... try again, you can do it. coherence may finally be approached.
I do the puff and scoot whenever I need a break from the action. its fun, and you get that extra bit of enjoyment from the knowledge that you're being a productive Dick, and ruining someone else's day.
OMG who is comming the alien team 50 cysts In one chai... I sence a little exaggeration. But your welcome to spend 40 res out of your pocket to light a flare that says "kill me my shotgun skills are lacking, but I can hold M1 and spin in circles"
You got me. My aim is not stellar. I really like killing cysts in mass just because I know how annoying it is for the other team.
That. Shotgun is better in every other situation, maybe not for the utility, but the shear firepower.
Introduce arms to the 1st person model, holding the flamethrower partially BELOW your view, so that you actually look ABOVE the flames, instead of breathing fire like a goddamn dragon.
biggest buff to flame throwers would be to bring it in line with ww2 standards.
http://www.howstuffworks.com/flame-thrower-info.htm
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/209387/flame-thrower
summarily:
~40 meter flame, burning at 800-1200 C, for 10 seconds of continuous fire. ouch. 1200 is roughly the melting point of cast iron... 40 f-ing meters.
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1. Primary fire: Extremely tight cone of fire with a medium range (think slightly longer than a good range for effective shotgun damage) that does high damage to creatures and medium damage to structures, while burning through ammo (fuel) at roughly half the amount of time it takes to empty a machine gun. This would basically work like the hmg from ns1, but with a much shorter attack duration and potentially some interesting differences due it being a stream of fire rather than bullets. This attack does not set afflicted targets on fire.
2. Secondary fire: Wide cone of fire with a short range that does low damage to both structures and creatures. It burns through ammo significantly slower than primary fire. This attack sets afflicted targets on fire. Setting a structure on fire will disable that structure's passive and activated abilities (for example: hive regeneration, crag regeneration, hydra attack, whip attack, shade ink) until the fire stops. Setting a player on fire should disable that player's innate regeneration, nothing else. The "on fire" effect should last for a short, but not insignificant, duration after the target stops being afflicted by the attack.
It has a long reload time and a high weight, slowing the marine carrying it down significantly.
Some of the specifics may need to change to make it balanced, but that's the jist of it.
Also yeah they kill infestation fast, which can be very powerful in itself, they also highlight aliens nicely for your allies, and can be useful to get things away from structures/exos due to their excellent area effect.
They don't do very much damage but they can do it to everything in an area with minimal effort, so they are more effective the fewer of them there are, if that makes sense. The more you buy the less efficient they get.
But then what's the grenade launcher left to do? I never pick it up due to
1) slow fire rate
2) arced projectile
3) slow reload time
4) Long explosion time, unless direct hit
I'd like to see the grenade launcher have a hold to fire button, the longer you hold it the faster it travels (essentially making it like a rocket after a full hold) and doing more damage after the charge, would be interesting to do some heavy damage to an alien with a well aimed shot; just an idea