I like 32 player servers now and then, also i can't understand why they want to have an artifitial limit, sure balance for 24 or less and give a recommendation but don't force the limit on others, it also ignores possible mods that would like more than 24, hopefully they do the right thing and remove the limit.
I like 32 player servers now and then, also i can't understand why they want to have an artifitial limit, sure balance for 24 or less and give a recommendation but don't force the limit on others, it also ignores possible mods that would like more than 24, hopefully they do the right thing and remove the limit.
You want a limit, because if too many people connect, they kill both the server performance and gameplay balance. Simple as that. IMO 18 is maximum, then the game becomes unplayable. Pubs can bear higher counts, because pub marines can't aim.
dePARAJoin Date: 2011-04-29Member: 96321Members, Squad Five Blue
"don't force the limit on others"
Limits are not good, so please UWE:
- remove the clipsizelimit, i want to shoot nonstop
- remove the biterange cause i dont like that i have to go close to marines
- remove the alienenergy limit for nonstop blinking
- remove the walls cause i dont like that UWE is restricting me where i have to go
- remove the steamrestriction, i dont want to pay for the game
Yep, limits and restrictions should really removed with next patch.
DC_DarklingJoin Date: 2003-07-10Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
I do not mind to see them gone tbh.
I lost count how many times ive seen servers with 24 or more slots stating in there name 'blabla something blabla NO LAG', and then having a performance and tickrate which is so abysmal its hard to even put a name on it.
And then many players complain about lag, bad performance and the works.. No kidding!
If they want to 32m it, atleast 'mod' it so its split.
You have to remember that some of the "lag" can also be on the client side if you are running and old junky PC with hardware that cannot handle the chaos. The more people in game = the more rendering and processing your PC will have to do and you can't do that on any rig considered obsolete in regards to gaming.
I don't know why people have their damn panties is a twist over the player counts. If you like 4V4 then go play it. If you like 8V8, 10V10 etc, then go play it. You don't see anyone who likes to frequent the high player count servers slamming all the peeps who like smaller player counts do you? (at least I have not in my forum travels)...That's because they know what they like and just look for the player counts that make their gaming experience fun. The only real freedom people have is choice so stop trying to take it away you commies
That being said... if you like 32 player chaos, gforgrenade.com welcomes you. I know a lot of you UK Chaps like the 32... not sure if you'll ping well to the G for Grenade! as it is in US (Massachusetts).
Limits are not good, so please UWE:
- remove the clipsizelimit, i want to shoot nonstop
- remove the biterange cause i dont like that i have to go close to marines
- remove the alienenergy limit for nonstop blinking
- remove the walls cause i dont like that UWE is restricting me where i have to go
- remove the steamrestriction, i dont want to pay for the game
Yep, limits and restrictions should really removed with next patch.
Im surprised anyone agreed with this, you lot do realise this isn't actually a good argument? it misses the point and takes it to extremes, but sure ok player count is related to all those things and hax as well omg!!!
ScardyBobScardyBobJoin Date: 2009-11-25Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
Since pretty much all games have playercount limits, I'm not sure why NS2 having one is that big of a deal. AFAIK, the original plan was to be like NS and have the limit be 32. However, due to performance and balance issues, it was limited to 24 just before release. While 24+ servers do have some novelty, its long been my experience that the game works better in the 18-20 playercount range for public servers. Add to that the fact that I can count on one hand the servers with hardware that can handle 24 players smoothly (by which I mean doesn't lag, at all rather than the lag is not normally noticeable), that it seems the best max playercount would be something like 20 rather than the current 24 or the asked for 32 or even higher values.
I am saying that I often see the big slot 'no lag' servers trash their own server rates/performance. I am infact talking about server side, as according to net_stats.
Now do not get me wrong, this is surely not always, but new people do not know that.
Also I wont have much issues clientwise with big slots. But many other people, like you said, infact might. And they will expect it to run fine without performance issues. Lets not forget the game needs to be hex edited to enable such big slots server side. That is a indication its not yet designed to maintain such sizes server and/or clientside.
I will agree that if people want to play on insane high slot servers, that they should be able to. But rather then hex edit the server slot and just keep it in the main pool, id prefer if admins would make a server mod for it. Then folk who can will join, but there is less chance newbies will just hop on and think the performance on those servers is standard.
Thank you for further clarifying. I was not replying to your post in particular as much as the whole topic and other posts in topics I have seen on the UWE boards mentioning player counts.
I'd love to have a player count mod... that'd be a lot easier than hexing the exe every patch HA!
32 player server, subtract 2 for commanders on each side leaves 30. Divide by 2 for even teams leaves 15 active aliens on the map. Remember age old alien mantra, "when in doubt, gorge rush."
20p servers still become unstable after 20-25min... and that's best case scenario on overclocked servers. 32p would just be constant and unbearable lag from the beginning lol
I once shot 32 aliens and then they respawned... True story...
Somebody needs to line up 32 skulks and 1-shot them with a railgun on video for the lulz. Would be entertaining to see. Then again, getting 33 people together to do this wouldn't be easy :-) .
I once shot 32 aliens and then they respawned... True story...
Somebody needs to line up 32 skulks and 1-shot them with a railgun on video for the lulz. Would be entertaining to see. Then again, getting 33 people together to do this wouldn't be easy :-) .
Another clarification.
I did mean a game mod so its not ns2 but like 'ns2 max'.
Ya know, a different game entirely.
Sounds good! If someone codes it I'll put it on the server.
Here are my only requests:
1) Does not alter game play from vanilla NS2, just ups the player count to whatever the admin wants up to 32 players.
2) Has configurable server messages, MOTD etc.
3) server side mod only, nothing that the client needs to have on their box.
32 player server, subtract 2 for commanders on each side leaves 30. Divide by 2 for even teams leaves 15 active aliens on the map. Remember age old alien mantra, "when in doubt, gorge rush."
15 gorges bile bombing :O
Bilebombing? thats no fun when you have the option to place out almost 50 hydras in the main base if the commander is in on it Even with marine beacon you come back to an entire forest being constantly healed haha
just to bad they patched commander res so he cannot go gorge in the beginning! Also to bad they patched entire game aswell so you have to mod the .exe every time you want to host servers above the lame capped lame players limit.
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inb4 debates about 32 man servers and ideal max server numbers:P
They die out too quickly... all it takes is 2-3 people ragequitting and there aren't enough people to have a proper game
You want a limit, because if too many people connect, they kill both the server performance and gameplay balance. Simple as that. IMO 18 is maximum, then the game becomes unplayable. Pubs can bear higher counts, because pub marines can't aim.
Limits are not good, so please UWE:
- remove the clipsizelimit, i want to shoot nonstop
- remove the biterange cause i dont like that i have to go close to marines
- remove the alienenergy limit for nonstop blinking
- remove the walls cause i dont like that UWE is restricting me where i have to go
- remove the steamrestriction, i dont want to pay for the game
Yep, limits and restrictions should really removed with next patch.
Darwin Mode leaping skulk: activate
I guess you like playing boring games.
I look at 24+ servers like I do the combat mod: its a fun diversion, but not for serious play.
I lost count how many times ive seen servers with 24 or more slots stating in there name 'blabla something blabla NO LAG', and then having a performance and tickrate which is so abysmal its hard to even put a name on it.
And then many players complain about lag, bad performance and the works.. No kidding!
If they want to 32m it, atleast 'mod' it so its split.
I don't know why people have their damn panties is a twist over the player counts. If you like 4V4 then go play it. If you like 8V8, 10V10 etc, then go play it. You don't see anyone who likes to frequent the high player count servers slamming all the peeps who like smaller player counts do you? (at least I have not in my forum travels)...That's because they know what they like and just look for the player counts that make their gaming experience fun. The only real freedom people have is choice so stop trying to take it away you commies
That being said... if you like 32 player chaos, gforgrenade.com welcomes you. I know a lot of you UK Chaps like the 32... not sure if you'll ping well to the G for Grenade! as it is in US (Massachusetts).
Im surprised anyone agreed with this, you lot do realise this isn't actually a good argument? it misses the point and takes it to extremes, but sure ok player count is related to all those things and hax as well omg!!!
you may have misunderstood me.
I am saying that I often see the big slot 'no lag' servers trash their own server rates/performance. I am infact talking about server side, as according to net_stats.
Now do not get me wrong, this is surely not always, but new people do not know that.
Also I wont have much issues clientwise with big slots. But many other people, like you said, infact might. And they will expect it to run fine without performance issues. Lets not forget the game needs to be hex edited to enable such big slots server side. That is a indication its not yet designed to maintain such sizes server and/or clientside.
I will agree that if people want to play on insane high slot servers, that they should be able to. But rather then hex edit the server slot and just keep it in the main pool, id prefer if admins would make a server mod for it. Then folk who can will join, but there is less chance newbies will just hop on and think the performance on those servers is standard.
I'd love to have a player count mod... that'd be a lot easier than hexing the exe every patch HA!
I did mean a game mod so its not ns2 but like 'ns2 max'.
Ya know, a different game entirely.
Combat has proven that if its popular, it will run regardless if its a game mod or not.
15 gorges bile bombing :O
Somebody needs to line up 32 skulks and 1-shot them with a railgun on video for the lulz. Would be entertaining to see. Then again, getting 33 people together to do this wouldn't be easy :-) .
Oh god...the eggs needed to respawn that....
Sounds good! If someone codes it I'll put it on the server.
Here are my only requests:
1) Does not alter game play from vanilla NS2, just ups the player count to whatever the admin wants up to 32 players.
2) Has configurable server messages, MOTD etc.
3) server side mod only, nothing that the client needs to have on their box.
Any takers
I'll be the test box too during development.
Bilebombing? thats no fun when you have the option to place out almost 50 hydras in the main base if the commander is in on it
just to bad they patched commander res so he cannot go gorge in the beginning! Also to bad they patched entire game aswell so you have to mod the .exe every time you want to host servers above the lame capped lame players limit.