Combat : What the...
UncleCrunch
Mayonnaise land Join Date: 2005-02-16 Member: 41365Members, Reinforced - Onos
Mayonnaise land Join Date: 2005-02-16 Member: 41365Members, Reinforced - Onos
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They are working on it
Just HoldYourFuckingHorses
There are a few servers running this and it's just so much better than the default combat mod.
Did I mention that devour sucks absolute donkey arse? It requires no skill and forces another player immediately out of the game. Totally ruins an otherwise fun game mode.
stomp as Tier3 and disable devour.
Yup.
Ahh well, I could live without it I guess...
You're wrong about that. Onos have to be close like a skulk biting. It's just what you see on your screen because of lag (even on good server).
Boneshield is useless, we not playing Onos for being a static rock on the map.
Not sure if trolling...
Ammo wasting, forcing a reload, ability to hold off an entire corridor with gorge or lerk support... The boneshield is a fantastic ability when used well!
The competitive Combat mode is much better! I used to lose interest in Combat rounds once Exos/Onoses came out and would often quit and find a new combat server. Now if only Combat fades did more damage to CCs, the game wouldn't that often end in overtime JP victory
Ammo waisting???... Just stop shooting or shot at something else. Before your answer i couldn't imagine that stopping it at first "signal" (visual, sound) would be "skill'. You should try the faded. It help keeping it in the pants.
I'm not trying to argue that boneshield (or anything to do with the onos) is really particularly skillful, indeed I'm mainly a lerk player in comp games, which I find provides a good level of depth.
Even though apparently now "We all know", I strongly disagree. Even after the recent alien nerfs, the gameplay is balanced enough even in the end-game JP/SG vs Fades to be fun and good practice. I'm not sure if this is the case on all skill levels, as currently fade vs JP/SG is somewhat more difficult for the fade, but it seems to work pretty well. Also, taking JP away would kill all marine mobility and allow fades too good a map control.
In normal NS2 crags (health) shifts (energy) shades (saves eggs) whips (damage) all provide essential player boosts to the aliens. However the marines army lacking anything (Mac?). Marines get health/amo/scan/catalyst constantly anywhere these are com abilities. Where are my drifter abilities?
While I understand that having things like celerity&adreniline balances this to a degree in combat located mid map. I feel without a shift/crag/shade option hives are far harder to defend then chairs....
JP/gl/flam/SG do high damage and are highly mobile... Aliens most mobile fades/lerks don't have high structure damage... Where as gorges and onos are big targets...
+1
Friendly Fire on? mwahaha nah just joking.
Any skulk that farts close to a bunch of marine and it's TK all over the place. If only we could get some point for TK on the opposite side.
I really do not recognize my NS2 Combat experience in what you are describing and I feel your comparison to NS2 is somewhat lacking. You cherry-pick things like "no alien structures" yet do not account for the marine's lack of their most significant structures, the phase gates or their main combat advantage, the comm med/nano spam that can win them many a lost engagement.
The main advantages I consider the JP/SG to have over fades in Combat:
-Lower skill floor (=easier to get the hang off)
-Can weld CC
-Can destroy Hive
These are not in my opinion game-breakers. Sure, they give the marines an advantage in winning the game objective (due to CC heal and Hive damage), but they do not necessarily give an advantage in the actual fighting, provided the aliens have a couple of decent fade players. So, I'll much rather have game with JP/SG than a game with Fades completely dominating a jetpackless marine team that gets it on the midfield and is forced to turtle the marine base exits.
I cherry pick "no alien structures" because alien structures directly affect combat. However marine structures DO not affect combat. As such marines receive all the bonuses of all marine structures, and aliens do not...
Remember that it's here to train, so who wins because of who is OP is irrelevant. It's just here to remove anything that doesn't require skill, and somewhat simulate the ns_ mod gameplay so you can practice. Killing hive/CC is just a goal, a way to give a flow to both teams, since deathmatch ala cs doesn't work with NS2 gameplay. Winning or losing doesn't matter.
Tell that to all guy that suffer on and on the JP FT. If you loose each time, you loose interest. Period.
If you remove cloak you end up with campers but not only in early game. Been there done that.
While a gorge must ninja like hell to get near anything especially on dumb large open NScombat maps. If you remove bile bomb, remove gorge directly. The only good point would be healing... kind of a boring thing and ultimately not rewarding fast enough (points).
Gorge without hydras can't keep up the pace with a LMG. In this case he should have faster spit (like bullets) which tends to get away from the original.
As you talk about training, how to train gorge if it is not close enough to NS2 ?
Wait what... Cloak encourages camping and stealth walking in pubs. Removing it still allows aliens to ambush but also removes pub stealth walking and other fun tactics. King was talking about a comp-based combat mod, so people will go there to practice. If you get discouraged while you are trying to practice, you won't be going anywhere fast.
I talking about "Marines will camp more". You just have to find some place on map in which you will see things coming. And we're back to NS1 combat. Competitive mean competition, also win or loose.
1. remove impossible combos (adrenaline/celer, regen/cara, aura/cloak)
2. Penalise loss of high life forms perhaps with longer spawn times.
3. Utilise current competition maps
4. Increase challenge for everyone
Number 4 would be tricky since you want to keep balance and relevance to ns... I'd suggest more hazards, lava, cliffs, crushers... Generally automated things that will kill you (force you to be extra aware)
1. Yes
2. Not needed unless you want to penalize the marine team for dying with better gear.
3. Yes
Basically remove onos, exo, ink, gas, gorge hydras, emp, xeno, cat-pac, scan, camo and I am probably missing something.
Personally i try to edit people's posts and do this for them.. but if i find myself having to do it consecutively for an individual i'll just begin cutting it, warning etc.
/derailing
Med spam from a good comm is not the same as resupply. This should be self-evident to anyone who has played with a good comm ever.
Also, the smaller map means that there are more aliens per area of same size and thus you will get stuck unless you have good mobility from JP. The alien structures are not important either.
Wtf. Maybe you are serious, maybe you're just a forum troll I fail to recognize by name. In any case, I'll just leave your comment there.