I think they realized the mistake of having Hugh on the show presenting their event alongside them. When people see Hugh, they see UWE - period.
He shouldn't have been there. But let's not crucify the community guys, they are trying to organize something themselves and I'm sure it's a lot of time donated by them because of their love for the game/community. It would have been received much better if Hugh didn't over-hype the crap out of it and just let the community guys do their thing. We would have seen it as donating to community leaders for a cool thing they are trying to do; not donating to UWE (as a lot of people started/still to think).
- "affects all players around the world", if I had to guess how many % of the playersbase (which is already tiny) care about competitive scene I'd say like 30-40%, and right now there's only european, aus and us scene that is somehow representative so basically teasing heavily for what turns out to be a fund request of a tournament that hardly affects any player....
- Bad timing to ask the community yet again for money after reinforced program just a month(?) ago - for a community event where they can't even show up and end up watching it in twitch
- NS2 is a construction site, why should NS2 fans pump money into LAN events of an unfinished game, when they have to opportunity to support the UWE developing process by using like, the reinforced program? Do people really care about LAN events in the current state of the game?
Like someone already stated, having Hugh involved was just misleading. Please fix your marketing.
"In order to properly compete with more mobile marines, v239 skulk strafe jump has been reintroduced. Because what is more exciting than two buzzing flies trying to bite each other?"
It would have been received much better if Hugh didn't over-hype the crap out of it and just let the community guys do their thing.
I don't think most of us would even care right now if it wasn't hyped up as affecting everyone, i reckon the guys at uwe and those in and casting competitive games live in a bubble based on what i've seen, it's great for those that get to fly around and have fun at these events but don't hype this rubbish up and make out it affects the rest of us who either don't know or care about this stuff, you'd think they would of learned by now, pathetic.
tournaments is needed for competative scene, competative scene is needed for a healthy community, a healthy community is needed for continued game developement. this is good news!
tournaments is needed for competative scene, competative scene is needed for a healthy community, a healthy community is needed for continued game developement. this is good news!
Hate to be super negative.. but majority of natural selections competitive playerbase stopped playing this game the first week it came out, what you have now is the remains and some new players in the comp scene; this wouldn't bring those players back and to be fair this games public scene (majority) don't care/know the competitive players/teams, compare to when you pub in counter-strike most people can name tons of players per team, but in public games like this you could be playing with a top player and not even know it because majority of the people just playing casually don't know or follow the teams
Why was a community event presented as big news from UWE?
It wasn't.
Sure you're not disagreeing for the sake of disagreement?
The "Big" news was announced as the top news item on unknownworlds.com. Presented by Hugh, a UWE developer. I think now, you realize the original sentiment of my statement, and my interpretation of your response. Lets not read posts and respond biased please...
tournaments is needed for competative scene, competative scene is needed for a healthy community, a healthy community is needed for continued game developement. this is good news!
You got the order wrong. You need a healthy community to have a good competative scene which needs tournaments.
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Problems with this:
* Overhyped.
* Many will think uwe is asking and not the community itself. Therein lies a big difference.
* To close to reinforced in time. Many may already have used up there 'spare money' for a bit.
* Folk who missed the event have heared nothing from uwe or the community members in charge of this. No easily linked video of the entire stream in the main post. Nothing. If you have to read a topic and 3 pages in you have 1 post of wasabi explaining whats going on, then the entire advertising part failed.
* If its truly community driven id expect community to get more info then 'normally' from a uwe event.
I respect and gratz you all for putting so much time in this. Many community members put loads of time in stuff like casts and tournaments. But I wonder how many like me are annoyed with all of the above.
Why was a community event presented as big news from UWE?
It wasn't.
Sure you're not disagreeing for the sake of disagreement?
The "Big" news was announced as the top news item on unknownworlds.com. Presented by Hugh, a UWE developer. I think now, you realize the original sentiment of my statement, and my interpretation of your response. Lets not read posts and respond biased please...
Hmmm, maybe from your perspective. However if you see through UWE helping out this community event by hosting the web side of things as well as helping out with certain aspects of the costs towards the event, you might realise that there were multiple times in the text and on the stream where it was stressed that this was a community driven event.
I am not defending the way it was done, and while I do think its fair that people found this a disappointment, I am also baffled at some of the negativity as it isn't constructive at all. People are hating on UWE purely for the sake of hopping on the bandwagon, and I think there is more to it than that.
People are hating on UWE purely for the sake of hopping on the bandwagon
No, people are ranting because of the letdown. If you go through the comments of the "Something Big is comming..." thread, most of the people are guessing about new maps, game mechanics, matchmaking system, something from NS1. In short practically everyone was thinking it was something UWE had developed secretly.
I think this approach has rather damaged the image of this tournament and angered the community. The tournament by itselfe is not a bad idea. I think everyone can agree with that.
tournaments is needed for competative scene, competative scene is needed for a healthy community, a healthy community is needed for continued game developement. this is good news!
This is exactly the opposite of the truth. Continued game development is needed for a healthy community, a healthy community is needed for a competitive scene, and a competitive scene is needed for tournaments. If a developer is prioritizing some meaningless tournament over continued development, their priorities are not in the right order.
Seriously, that was the big announcement? Horrible advertising, and blabbering bullshit for 16 minutes at the beginning of the show and not telling people about it didn't help either. I ended up just skipping through the recording to find out what the fuzz was about because I couldn't take all that nonsense anymore.
Anyways, another tournament (yes, remember there already was the European Open similar to your idea) would be cool, but raising 30000 USD? Thats a lot of money that you are asking people for. For the European Open the community contributed about then 1600 USD (remember, UWE matched every contribution so it wasn't even the 3200 USD that were in the pool at the end). You are now asking people to pay 15 times as much for an event three times the size, seriously? At the moment you have raised an average of 50 USD from 44 people. so if the average donation doesn't go down (which it probably will because most of the really generous people have already donated) you need more than 12 times the amount of people funding this. The last event had 42 supporters, so it's not as if there are a lot of possible donors hiding anywhere.
Seriously, that was the big announcement? Horrible advertising, and blabbering bullshit for 16 minutes at the beginning of the show and not telling people about it didn't help either. I ended up just skipping through the recording to find out what the fuzz was about because I couldn't take all that nonsense anymore.
Anyways, another tournament (yes, remember there already was the European Open similar to your idea) would be cool, but raising 30000 USD? Thats a lot of money that you are asking people for. For the European Open the community contributed about then 1600 USD (remember, UWE matched every contribution so it wasn't even the 3200 USD that were in the pool at the end). You are now asking people to pay 15 times as much for an event three times the size, seriously? At the moment you have raised an average of 50 USD from 44 people. so if the average donation doesn't go down (which it probably will because most of the really generous people have already donated) you need more than 12 times the amount of people funding this. The last event had 42 supporters, so it's not as if there are a lot of possible donors hiding anywhere.
Face paint and a makeup artist to draw onos face on hugh ain't cheap my friend.
They should stop jerking around with nonsense and fix the game basics, because they are all F up. At first i was delighted by the game, but now after playing it for several hours daily for like 2 months, the rot has started to come out. And like someone above said, fights are not really fights, it's one crazy jumping nonsense that turns potentially awesome battle into a bunch of flies on crack trying to bite eachother. It's ridiculous to play. For example, if anyone ever played good old pumped up arena games like Q3A and UT99, you know that combat can be insanely fast, yet it still fells refined. That's what Q3A and UT99 were. NS2 on the other hand is fast, twitching shooter where luck and exploitation of the game means more than anything else. It' so silly.
How hard is it to follow the rule of keeping aliens agile and powerful at sneak attacks and marines fragile at close combat but deadly from the far? They say it is like this but even if it is, it just doesn't feel like it. At all.
So stop wasting time with some crazy cryptic news about some awesome stuff when the basic thing, THE GAME is so badly broken on so many levels.
Not sure why everyone's so upset with Hugh. The announcment was everything he said it would be. It was meant to be big, it was supposed to make an impact on the whole community and everyone would be able to participate.
There we have it:
A big disappointment that upset the community with everyone venting their griefs on the forums. Signed sealed and delivered folks so give the man a break.
In truth, not the greatest way to handle things. I can see there was good intent here but the way it was handled ended up hurting this initiative with a massive community backlash. I'm very curious how much is raised in the end.
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He shouldn't have been there. But let's not crucify the community guys, they are trying to organize something themselves and I'm sure it's a lot of time donated by them because of their love for the game/community. It would have been received much better if Hugh didn't over-hype the crap out of it and just let the community guys do their thing. We would have seen it as donating to community leaders for a cool thing they are trying to do; not donating to UWE (as a lot of people started/still to think).
If the funding will not raise the minimum of 30.000 $ the money everyone paid will be transferred back.
- "affects all players around the world", if I had to guess how many % of the playersbase (which is already tiny) care about competitive scene I'd say like 30-40%, and right now there's only european, aus and us scene that is somehow representative so basically teasing heavily for what turns out to be a fund request of a tournament that hardly affects any player....
- Bad timing to ask the community yet again for money after reinforced program just a month(?) ago - for a community event where they can't even show up and end up watching it in twitch
- NS2 is a construction site, why should NS2 fans pump money into LAN events of an unfinished game, when they have to opportunity to support the UWE developing process by using like, the reinforced program? Do people really care about LAN events in the current state of the game?
Like someone already stated, having Hugh involved was just misleading. Please fix your marketing.
"In order to properly compete with more mobile marines, v239 skulk strafe jump has been reintroduced. Because what is more exciting than two buzzing flies trying to bite each other?"
I don't think most of us would even care right now if it wasn't hyped up as affecting everyone, i reckon the guys at uwe and those in and casting competitive games live in a bubble based on what i've seen, it's great for those that get to fly around and have fun at these events but don't hype this rubbish up and make out it affects the rest of us who either don't know or care about this stuff, you'd think they would of learned by now, pathetic.
Hate to be super negative.. but majority of natural selections competitive playerbase stopped playing this game the first week it came out, what you have now is the remains and some new players in the comp scene; this wouldn't bring those players back and to be fair this games public scene (majority) don't care/know the competitive players/teams, compare to when you pub in counter-strike most people can name tons of players per team, but in public games like this you could be playing with a top player and not even know it because majority of the people just playing casually don't know or follow the teams
Sure you're not disagreeing for the sake of disagreement?
The "Big" news was announced as the top news item on unknownworlds.com. Presented by Hugh, a UWE developer. I think now, you realize the original sentiment of my statement, and my interpretation of your response. Lets not read posts and respond biased please...
* Overhyped.
* Many will think uwe is asking and not the community itself. Therein lies a big difference.
* To close to reinforced in time. Many may already have used up there 'spare money' for a bit.
* Folk who missed the event have heared nothing from uwe or the community members in charge of this. No easily linked video of the entire stream in the main post. Nothing. If you have to read a topic and 3 pages in you have 1 post of wasabi explaining whats going on, then the entire advertising part failed.
* If its truly community driven id expect community to get more info then 'normally' from a uwe event.
I respect and gratz you all for putting so much time in this. Many community members put loads of time in stuff like casts and tournaments. But I wonder how many like me are annoyed with all of the above.
Hmmm, maybe from your perspective. However if you see through UWE helping out this community event by hosting the web side of things as well as helping out with certain aspects of the costs towards the event, you might realise that there were multiple times in the text and on the stream where it was stressed that this was a community driven event.
I am not defending the way it was done, and while I do think its fair that people found this a disappointment, I am also baffled at some of the negativity as it isn't constructive at all. People are hating on UWE purely for the sake of hopping on the bandwagon, and I think there is more to it than that.
I think this approach has rather damaged the image of this tournament and angered the community. The tournament by itselfe is not a bad idea. I think everyone can agree with that.
This is exactly the opposite of the truth. Continued game development is needed for a healthy community, a healthy community is needed for a competitive scene, and a competitive scene is needed for tournaments. If a developer is prioritizing some meaningless tournament over continued development, their priorities are not in the right order.
Anyways, another tournament (yes, remember there already was the European Open similar to your idea) would be cool, but raising 30000 USD? Thats a lot of money that you are asking people for. For the European Open the community contributed about then 1600 USD (remember, UWE matched every contribution so it wasn't even the 3200 USD that were in the pool at the end). You are now asking people to pay 15 times as much for an event three times the size, seriously? At the moment you have raised an average of 50 USD from 44 people. so if the average donation doesn't go down (which it probably will because most of the really generous people have already donated) you need more than 12 times the amount of people funding this. The last event had 42 supporters, so it's not as if there are a lot of possible donors hiding anywhere.
Face paint and a makeup artist to draw onos face on hugh ain't cheap my friend.
How hard is it to follow the rule of keeping aliens agile and powerful at sneak attacks and marines fragile at close combat but deadly from the far? They say it is like this but even if it is, it just doesn't feel like it. At all.
So stop wasting time with some crazy cryptic news about some awesome stuff when the basic thing, THE GAME is so badly broken on so many levels.
There we have it:
A big disappointment that upset the community with everyone venting their griefs on the forums. Signed sealed and delivered folks so give the man a break.
In truth, not the greatest way to handle things. I can see there was good intent here but the way it was handled ended up hurting this initiative with a massive community backlash. I'm very curious how much is raised in the end.