''Ns2 Reinforced Crew'' ?

estierestier Germany Join Date: 2014-05-26 Member: 196251Members
Hello,
I like Ns2 and as a half rookie I know how hard the game is without getting tips and so on. You could say ''go watch some videos'' but I like personal training. I'd like to open a Ns2 Clan/Crew that helps people getting started. You don't play the game that long if you die every 10 seconds.
What would the crew need?:

Trainings Server 8€-18,50€ (depens on the slots)
Ts3 Server 3€-6€ depens on the slots
Trainers (They won't get money, exept someone would donate)
A website (Well I don't know how much that would be)

So all in all we would have to spend: 12€-24,50€ per month.
But I'd like to give all the people in the Crew supporter badges. I guess if a rookie gets better he'd get a 'Supporter Badge' and maybe if people are doing great jobs like extra help here and there they'd get 'Silver/Gold Badge'.

How do you like the idea? Should I say more? I'd really like to start something like that.

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  • GhoulofGSG9GhoulofGSG9 Join Date: 2013-03-31 Member: 184566Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Supporter, Pistachionauts
    edited June 2014
    About the server + ts3 : You should ask some admin who host a ns2 root server, that could be cheaper than any other hosters (if not even for free for the start) .

    Overall i always liked the idea of ns2 mentors and trainers.
  • estierestier Germany Join Date: 2014-05-26 Member: 196251Members
    Well yes that would be an opinion. I guess if this thread gets enough replies I'll start the projects I think I have some people for: doing a clan pic/hosting a website
  • estierestier Germany Join Date: 2014-05-26 Member: 196251Members
    Comment via Steam:

    Would the training be free, because I don't see anyone paying money to learn how to play Ns2. If you're interested in the game like me, you'll watch videos, competitive matches and learn via trial and error.

    But I also like the idea of teaching more advanced tactics, I just don't feel many will be interested.

    Answer:
    Yeah it would be totally free.
  • SupaFredSupaFred Join Date: 2013-03-03 Member: 183652Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    I think it's a great idea if you can get it to work. Are you planning scheduled events on the server or is it going to be open for anyone to join at any time? How many player slots are you aiming for? Is a TS3 server really needed?
  • BeigeAlertBeigeAlert Texas Join Date: 2013-08-08 Member: 186657Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    Personally, I think this game just needs a better tutorial built into it. Something that covers the basics more than just "there's a skulk, you should probably shoot it". It'd be nice if the tutorial covered more of the cultural aspect of playing ns2. Things like "don't finish power nodes until structures need them", and "follow your commanders orders, and communicate with your team".
  • slizzeredslizzered Germany Join Date: 2014-05-31 Member: 196317Members
    Being a half-rookie myself, I'd certainly appreciate a training that goes beyond watching videos. Don't get me wrong, the existing videos are great (if not outdated), but things like proper positioning is very situational and during a stressful match, it can be difficult to make the right decisions in a matter of seconds. This includes stuff like "which res-node do I bite next", "what is a smart way to get there" (depending on the positioning of enemy players), "where do I have to be to intercept that fleeing Onos" or "Where exactly on that ceiling/wall should I sit, I hear that Marine coming".

    Also, trainers could give a MUCH better and faster feedback if you are doing things right or wrong.

    For example, you could propose your positioning idea and the trainer might approve or suggest something else and explain.

    Another example would be: You are a skulk and hear an incoming marine. You hide on the ceiling behind a doorway. In case you get shot, the trainer could tell you if your position was generally bad, or if you lost the engagement because the Marine was just a good shot. As a rookie, I find it hard to tell the difference sometimes.

    Sure, you can learn most of this by playing many hours and at some point you will figure out the right spots to go or to hide. But improvement would be much faster, if someone pinpoints you in the right direction as soon as you are doing things wrong. And why is it so important to tell people, that they are doing things suboptimally? Because there are VERY experienced players, who might wreck you even if you are doing everything right. So, if a half-rookie dies one way or the other, how should he know if he did good during an engagement?

    So... yeah, great idea! Just make sure to advertise it properly, or new players might not know that such a thing even exists.
  • estierestier Germany Join Date: 2014-05-26 Member: 196251Members
    So I got some great feedback and well I like the idea of having a server schedule. Like 8am-20pm open for everyone 20pm-8am just for members or other times. That would be hard to make because Rookies come from all over the world. I live in Germany (gmt+1) and if you like in Canada it's 5am while it's 3pm in Germany. So shall I open a group and organize a Server + ts3 server, which is needed for better coorperation.
  • meatmachinemeatmachine South England Join Date: 2013-01-06 Member: 177858Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    edited June 2014
    I believe there was an NS2 mentoring program at some point last year. Might be worth checking with whoever ran that and see if they want to get involved/ hand the steam group over or something

    This is cool though, will be fun to see how many people sign up for tutoring
  • estierestier Germany Join Date: 2014-05-26 Member: 196251Members
    Well I'm trying to reach some of the old program leaders. I found one and I already talked to him but he said ''Sorry I'm to busy'' :/ but he's a nice guy
  • dePARAdePARA Join Date: 2011-04-29 Member: 96321Members, Squad Five Blue
    A first step would be to join skill restricted servers to learn things slowly without getting slaughtered from the typical pub stomping players.

    I have setup a server like this as an reaction on the pub stomping thread.

    Well, what should i say, the server is always empty.
    Maybe this is a way to promote this server a bit for all the rookies and beginners out there.

    Servername: Heidis baby lamb land [HBZ]
    Restrictions: max ns2stats elo score of 1600 (good players have around 2000 normally) and max 100 hrs gametime (this can be changed if needed)
    So all the high level players cant join this server. It has 4 reserverd slots for admins trainers or whatever.

    Who am i?
    Im am the admin of the oldest NS2 server (Heidis Ziegenfarm [HBZ], wich is an high skill server) and the Clanleader of the oldest NS2 team.
    This rookie only server is my little help to keep this game alive.

    So, feel free to fill it with life.
  • estierestier Germany Join Date: 2014-05-26 Member: 196251Members
    Hello dePARA I already heared about you. :D Looks like a good crew would form together.
  • dePARAdePARA Join Date: 2011-04-29 Member: 96321Members, Squad Five Blue
    edited June 2014
    All i want to say to the beginners and rookies out there is:

    The needed servers are there (other communitys/clans running restricted servers also), use them instead of the 42 clusterfuck servers where positioning and mapawareness is useless.
    The only thing you learn on these servers is: "ah, this is rubberbanding, interisting"

    To be real: Im tired of telling the people how things work.
    1,5 years after release and still "guys, leave the base", every round. again and again.

    But here is my offer:
    If you have enough people we can schedule a "basic training session" on that server.
    This would be an onetimer to give players an idea how things work.

    Another tip is: join fun clans like TAW. They do some internal matches and im sure you learn much from these also.
    And these videos are also great for beginners: http://www.youtube.com/user/Abysmalnight/
  • MephillesMephilles Germany Join Date: 2013-08-07 Member: 186634Members, NS2 Map Tester, NS2 Community Developer
    @dePARA how are the experienced trainers are supposed to observe the rookies on your server? (well I'm sure you find a solution).

    oh and thanks for advertising :D

    in general I think this is a great idea. you might want to contact @DC_Darkling (that's the only mentor I know closer tbh)
  • LocklearLocklear [nexzil]kerrigan Join Date: 2012-05-01 Member: 151403Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <- Open to doing forms of training & discussing game mechanics / playstyles.

    http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198132321657/
  • dePARAdePARA Join Date: 2011-04-29 Member: 96321Members, Squad Five Blue
    edited June 2014
    Ok here is my idea how todo this.
    We play on summit where each techpoint represent a training area.

    Each area has its own trainer in an seperate TS channel.

    The areas are:
    - Hivepush (what to shoot first, how to position on marineside. How to defend as alien)
    - Marinebase (What to bite first in what situation as skulk. Where i am going after spawn as Marine)
    - Aiming (shotgunaim train and how to position as marine)
    - Ambushing and walljump (skulk basics)
    - Commanding (both marine and alienside)

    Maybe a 6th TS Channel for more theoretic stuff to improve mapawareness.

    So if you have questions about stuff, jump into area you want.
    Lets say we do this in an timewindow of 1-2 hrs.

    What dou you think about this?
  • GhoulofGSG9GhoulofGSG9 Join Date: 2013-03-31 Member: 184566Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Supporter, Pistachionauts
    Mephilles wrote: »
    @dePARA how are the experienced trainers are supposed to observe the rookies on your server? (well I'm sure you find a solution).

    oh and thanks for advertising :D

    in general I think this is a great idea. you might want to contact @DC_Darkling (that's the only mentor I know closer tbh)

    You can whitelist ppl and have the spectator team not be checked ;)
  • nezznezz Join Date: 2012-12-11 Member: 174712Members
    marines: kill skulks. keep pressure up. kill lifeforms
    aliens: Pack everything till lerks, Pack everything till fades. Pack everything till onos, Pack everything till you lose all lifeforms then lose.
  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    Like some said, you can join us at TAW. Any skilllevel is welcome. And if you get rolled over, we have in-community trainers to work on lessening that for the following week.

    As for me on a personal level. When time allows AND im on rookie servers I dont mind giving general pointers and hand holding. But dont expect me to go into deep deep details as I prefer to play while I tell stuff. (for details, join TAW.. we have trainers!)

    Ok advertising done. :D
    ps, the old mentor link is in my signature and no I didnt start it.
  • estierestier Germany Join Date: 2014-05-26 Member: 196251Members
    The Idea of training areas is great but sometime you need the whole map
  • dePARAdePARA Join Date: 2011-04-29 Member: 96321Members, Squad Five Blue
    The "training areas" idea has more workshop character.
    This learning session could end in one or 2 games where everyone can test the learned things.
    So if new players want to improve there pub skills this could be the right thing.
    But this cant replace real clanwars. You learn the most in 6v6 against other clans.

    Its only an idea and i would spend the server for this.
    If you can bring enough people into this event, i can organize some clanplayers as trainers also.
  • slizzeredslizzered Germany Join Date: 2014-05-31 Member: 196317Members
    I like the ideas of traning areas. If I can be online during the training session, I will definitely join and try to improve my skill. Same goes for the "Heidis baby lamb land [HBZ]" Server tonight :)
  • GrimfangGrimfang Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13086Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    It sounds like a good idea, and while I don't play that much these days, I would like to help out. However while my skill level isn't that great, I think I have around 1000 hours gametime. So unless there would be a good reason for limiting for playtime, I would suggest removing that limit.
  • YojimboYojimbo England Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited June 2014
    About the server + ts3 : You should ask some admin who host a ns2 root server, that could be cheaper than any other hosters (if not even for free for the start) .

    Overall i always liked the idea of ns2 mentors and trainers.

    Would love to help train the NS2 community up with you OP, only things I ask of new players are ;-

    A microphone
    Willingness to learn
    Basic common sense.

    My credentials include extensive NS1 experience since 1.4 days, once admin to [WongaNS] server one the last bastions of NS1 freedom and over 800 hours of NS2 experience, hope this qualifies.

    Hit me up in PM.

  • dePARAdePARA Join Date: 2011-04-29 Member: 96321Members, Squad Five Blue
    edited June 2014
    I personally think that the "trainers" should be clanplayers.
    If you play NS2 competitive for a while your view on the game and whats really important changes.

    I saw so many "vets" on pub that sound very competent but there descisions telling another story.
    Im sure every clanplayer no matter what division has an deeper view on the game than 90% of the pub players.

    And this should be an initiative "pro-clanplayers".
    Maybe some of the "Damn clanplayers detroying the game cause they join pub servers to stomp" complainers got another view on the players.
    "Hey thats a cool guy and his tips where very usefull. My skulkplay is much better now"
  • WlfWlf paris Join Date: 2014-04-14 Member: 195395Members
    If you want some teachers i will gladly do it. Hit me on mp
  • VetinariVetinari Join Date: 2013-07-23 Member: 186325Members, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    Do you intend to only train rookies/newbies?
  • estierestier Germany Join Date: 2014-05-26 Member: 196251Members
    edited June 2014
    No everybody could train. This weekend I'll set up a group and maybe find some rookies to train (by the way as I'm a half-rookie I'll take part of the training, too). When do you guys have time at the weekend?
  • SupaFredSupaFred Join Date: 2013-03-03 Member: 183652Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    I see you already have a server for this. If not, let me know. Free of charge of course.
  • estierestier Germany Join Date: 2014-05-26 Member: 196251Members
    Well I'll contact you if needed. Btw I love the Thirsty Onos server :P
  • SupaFredSupaFred Join Date: 2013-03-03 Member: 183652Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    Glad you like them!
    Let me know when you get things going. I can advertise your server in the welcome messages on my servers. There are green players there everyday.
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