The Game was a draw!

skynet · February 2014

A couple weeks ago I saw my first game draw in over 500h of playing :O Here's what happened.

I was commanding the Marine team and we owned most of the map. THe whole team was focused on destroying the last hive while the aliens took advantage of the distraction and hit all of our bases, cutting out the power and attacking the last remaining CC. When they destroyed all of our IPs only one marine and my ARCs were left, making it a race against time: will we kill the last hive before they destroy our CC?

Well this is what the the server console showed (top left console window):

And from the log you can see that both the last hive and the last CC were destroyed within the same second:

[17:25:37]ARC killed Hive with ARC. Attacker location: (43.557, 1.128, 16.985). Victim location: (37.385, 2.714, 33.020).
[17:25:37]Major[1894998][Aliens] killed MinTeH[9091242][Marines] with Gore. Attacker location: (43.806, 0.213, 29.445). Victim location: (42.274, 0.213, 29.864).
[17:25:38]xtanha1rrmx[81131746][Aliens] killed CommandStation with BiteLeap. Attacker location: (-20.131, -1.925, -17.890). Victim location: (-19.406, -1.930, -20.523).
[17:25:42]-Emilio[67104335][Aliens] killed PowerPoint with BiteLeap. Attacker location: (29.167, 1.568, -8.808). Victim location: (29.159, 1.677, -7.722).
[17:25:43]Chat from karatekid1995[47056373][Marines]: gg

The game just ended without any "[TEAM] wins" message on screen, so I checked the logs and found out about the draw

Nordic · February 2014

Your logs tell the story but you need video evidence to entertain.

xen32 · February 2014

I always wanted to see something like 90 minutes into a match arcs destroying one hive, exos push into another, and and like ~2x2x2 gorges attacking three marine CCs at the same time and everything is so luckily timed that all five bases go down at the same time.
That'd be pretty epic.

DC_Darkling · February 2014

hush.. ive never heared of a draw.
This is nothing but awesome.

Ghosthree3 · February 2014

I have seen a draw once, can't remember anything about it though. Was bizarre.

Scatter · February 2014

It was in a scrim too I think

xen32 · February 2014

I just thought, can't you achieve draw by enabling cheats, killing all the bases and disabling cheats? Just for the test.

amoral · February 2014

uwe went with seconds timing? bad form uwe, bad form... everyone knows if you don't want to deal with draws you time on the nanosecond scale

Vert^ · February 2014

Awesome

Would be really nice to see a video of the round!

trinity.ns · February 2014

I remember we had a draw once. No one knew about it at the time and everyone was utterly confused. We need a draw message!

xen32 · February 2014

trinity.ns wrote: »

We need a draw message!

"Game over man, game over!"

Vetinari · February 2014

I didn't know this was even possible.

ellnic · February 2014

I didn't even know such a thing was possible. That must have been awsome

SolidSpider · February 2014

I think I recall playing a match that ended without a "[TEAM] WINS" message at the end... but I don't remember much about it, as I didn't think much of it at the time. All I remember is that it was Summit, and I was on the marine side. No idea if it's the same situation, or something similar.

Runki · February 2014

The log is actually one second apart, so the marines should have won

17:25:37]ARC killed Hive with ARC. Attacker location: (43.557, 1.128, 16.985).
[17:25:38]xtanha1rrmx[81131746][Aliens] killed CommandStation with BiteLeap. Attacker

sotanaht · February 2014

Runki wrote: »

The log is actually one second apart, so the marines should have won

17:25:37]ARC killed Hive with ARC. Attacker location: (43.557, 1.128, 16.985).
[17:25:38]xtanha1rrmx[81131746][Aliens] killed CommandStation with BiteLeap. Attacker

It wasn't a CC win. There was a marine killed in that same second and the op said "no ips and only one marine left".

CCTEE · February 2014

Draw game should end with a nice video animation of gorges and marines cuddling or something, not just end.

coolitic · February 2014

james888 wrote: »

Your logs tell the story but you need video evidence to entertain.

Agreed, because people tend to make stuff up. Otherwise this is pretty cool.

IronHorse · February 2014

AHA! So it IS possible!

I once asked the dev MurphyIdiot about this.. as it was a theory we had for the mapcycle not functioning correctly at one point.
He said "If the game went to a draw somehow, it would not even test the (map) cycle. But i dont think it is even possible right now for the game to draw."
I said "I agree, never seen it, even when we tested for it."

You MAY be the first officially recorded draw... pretty cool B-)

matso · February 2014

The rules for game endings are in NS2Gamerules.lua - a quick check will tell anyone that the game checks win conditions every 0.75 seconds:

local kGameEndCheckInterval = 0.75

... and it does support drawn games:

            if self.timeLastGameEndCheck == nil or (Shared.GetTime() > self.timeLastGameEndCheck + kGameEndCheckInterval) then
            
                local team1Lost = self.team1:GetHasTeamLost()
                local team2Lost = self.team2:GetHasTeamLost()
                local team1Won = self.team1:GetHasTeamWon()
                local team2Won = self.team2:GetHasTeamWon()
                
                -- Check for auto-concede if neither team lost.
                if not team1Lost and not team2Lost then
                    team1Lost, team2Lost = CheckAutoConcede(self)
                end
                
                if (team1Lost and team2Lost) or (team1Won and team2Won) then
                    self:DrawGame()
                elseif team1Lost or team2Won then
                    self:EndGame(self.team2)
                elseif team2Lost or team1Won then
                    self:EndGame(self.team1)
                end
                
                self.timeLastGameEndCheck = Shared.GetTime()
                
            end

Now, considering the rarity of drawn games, you can safely say that it is not a WELL-TESTED part of the game - for one thing, the "drawn game" message is not translated - so it is quite possible that it does not stay in kGameState.Draw for long enough for anyone to notice...

    function NS2Gamerules:DrawGame()

        if self:GetGameState() == kGameState.Started then
        
            self:SetGameState(kGameState.Draw)
            
            // Display "draw" message
            local drawMessage = "The game was a draw!"
            self.team1:BroadcastMessage(drawMessage)
            self.team2:BroadcastMessage(drawMessage)
            
            self.team1:ClearRespawnQueue()
            self.team2:ClearRespawnQueue()  
            
        end
        
    end

So yea, possible to have drawn games, and they may well end in the not-quite-satisfactory way you describe...

Comparing the DrawGame with EndGame, you see that there is quite a lot of missing stuff, like PostGameViz() recording, or sending "GameEnd" messages to players, or sponitor stats, or keeping track of ranking... so basically, getting a drawn game may well cause some minor issues with stats/ranking.

I don't think the NSL have rules for drawn games - anyone knows?

ezekel · February 2014

awesome, I've never seen a draw --- A gorge bellysliding across the screen with a marine riding it would be a wonderful game ending image

BeigeAlert · March 2014

Had a draw game last night on TGNS. It was amazing!

skynet · March 2014

So many replies :O

I'm really sorry I don't have a video to show you guys

It was pretty disappointing, such an intense last minutes and then the game ends with no win or lose message

I have installed the nvidia record thingy now so if it ever happens again, expect a 1080p video :P

+1 for marines cuddling a gorge if the game ends in a draw xD

ellnic · March 2014

Well TDIL that a draw is possible in NS2. Wow, just wow!

KKyle · September 2014

Had this happen last night.

both the hive and chair went down at the same time! What an great round to be commander for on a full server with a balanced and ns1 style

you can see in the middle of the screen it says hive killed, and on the right it says command station.

Neoken · September 2014

Nordic · September 2014

KKyle wrote: »

Had this happen last night.

both the hive and chair went down at the same time! What an great round to be commander for on a full server with a balanced and ns1 style

you can see in the middle of the screen it says hive killed, and on the right it says command station.

The command chair went down first according to the kill feed. Should this really be a draw game?
I am asking to make a point, although I think draw games are really really cool.

meatmachine · September 2014

Pleeeeease someone make a cinematic to play for draw games, like as per the above suggestions. It's rare enough that something special should happen as kind of an easter egg

Nordic · September 2014

meatmachine wrote: »

Pleeeeease someone make a cinematic to play for draw games, like as per the above suggestions. It's rare enough that something special should happen as kind of an easter egg

Make an ns2 rave happen in every room a player is in. Raves are already coded in thanks to @samusdroid. We just need the event.

meatmachine · September 2014

james888 wrote: »

meatmachine wrote: »

Pleeeeease someone make a cinematic to play for draw games, like as per the above suggestions. It's rare enough that something special should happen as kind of an easter egg

Make an ns2 rave happen in every room a player is in. Raves are already coded in thanks to @samusdroid. We just need the event.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. YESSSS-AAAHHHHH

Zefram · September 2014

Ghosthree3 wrote: »

I have seen a draw once, can't remember anything about it though. Was bizarre.

I only recall one draw in competitive play. I believe in Season 2 or 3 on Tram and an Aussie team was involved.

The Game was a draw!

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