Changing Onos to Oni to me a native English speaker appears to be grammatically incorrect, especially when there are many examples that can be cited with other animals ending in the letter 'S'.
You wouldn't say 'Multiple Dogi'. You say 'Multiple Dogs'.
WTF!!!??!?!?! When the hell did DOG start ending with an S in the singular?
A Dog, Some Dogs
An Onos, Some Oni
How are they even related??
Ok, but the rest of my post is still correct otherwise you would have argued one of the other 7 points rather than the weakest one.
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I wasn't arguing your points, as my post clearly states, I think people who try to enforce 'real life rules' on fantasy and fiction fail for misunderstanding Art.
Do you do it to all the names in Lord of the Rings or WoW too? lol
I wasn't arguing your points, as my post clearly states, I think people who try to enforce 'real life rules' on fantasy and fiction fail for misunderstanding Art.
Do you do it to all the names in Lord of the Rings or WoW too? lol
There's no point in discussion if everything can be dismissed by the excuse of 'art'. Throwing logic out of the window just for its own sake is bad art.
And the world of the Lord of the Rings is linguistically extremely elaborate, and I would, and people have, extensively, done this to all its names.
It's kinda like the misuse of the word 'literally'. It's so commonly used that way that it's becoming more and more widely accepted such that they're starting to include it in the dictionary, even though it is technically a misuse.
However, perhaps this is even more of a reason not to vote for Oni - it promotes the continuing degradation of the English language.
At least there's a convenient way around it all. Instead of saying 2 Onos/oni/on-ee-eye, say "Double Onos". When using the terms double/triple/quadruple (quad) you always use the singular version of the noun anyway.
The game's designer and creator says its Oni. He named the damn things..
And that's basically the only argument I need.
Knowing the guy who phoned Flayra in the middle of the night and asked this particular question.
To repeat his words:
He believes that Flayra said its Oni, while he wasn´t so sure if he pressured him into that answer.
Could have also been Onoses, but he was too damn drunken to remember Flayras answer, the next day.
The least important issues often generate the most controversy for some reason.
(also, it's multiple onos or onoses; I've never seen anyone use oni ingame from 2002 to present. That's just some weird thing someone who thought they were being clever came up with on the forum)
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I am certain @Flayra has said Oni on video/audio somewhere. I am convinced I have heard Oni in his voice, and while I am well aware of the power of suggestion, I am sure I am not imagining it
The next use was in the alien name reveal thread; where level1/bob, level2/pudgy/fatty, level3/flappy/batty, level4/blinky and level5/tiny were discarded for skulk, gorge, lerk, fade and onos. http://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/5239/alien-names/p1
Tomodachi thought onos sounded stupid and wanted to call them oni (singular) on page 1.
The next use was windelkron on the next page who thought oni was a silly name for the level 5 and thought it was better suited to the level 4, because it means ghost or demon or something in some culture or other.
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So, let's sum up a bit this to make it clear.
There's people who voted that the plural of Onos is Onos. Which I agree on. Because 1 Onos, 2 Onos. Whatever you're looking at ingame, you will never see this word Oni. Always Onos.
It also makes sense to not change anything to a such word ending up with a S. English is not my native language but it still makes more sense than any other, I mean, Onoses will not confuse me though but definitely not Oni.
You can also refer to what @Obraxis said about it, and unlike me, he's from United Kingdom, he knows English perfectly well.
There's also people saying Onoses which is fine I guess. Some kind of confirmation we're talking about multiple Onos. It matters not whether it's true or not. You can spell it Onoses and write it Onos or simply both writting and spelling it Onoses. It's not that weird honestly.
Another one is saying that the plural of Onos is Onii. What? Why? I mean, why Onii and not Oni? What's the point at adding another i? I'm still looking for an answer in this thread because no one has been able to clarify the use of another i at the end of the word. So, can someone explain me why 1 Onos = 2 Onii?
The last one is about Oni. And for what it worth, the only reason mentioned in this thread was because the one who created this word said that, sometimes.
Hum, okay. so because @Flayra said Oni, his word is truth? I mean, no, really. When your game reaches a such high amount of players, the voice of one man does not any longer matter.
I'm from France. We've been the first country making codes for our laws. If we're looking for an article, jurisprudence, court decision, anything related to the Law, we only need to take a look into our impressive number of various codes. For instance, in our Penal Code, if there's nothing about punishment and sanction, there's none. We always refer to these codes to find the truth about the law in general.
Well, not always actually, as many countries do, the "custom" is also part of our system. Especially our stuff related to trade law. There's things that should be this way, written and mentioned in our codes but the custom and habits of our tradespeople changed it, it's been like that but most of the people, if not everybody was acting differently, was dealing with other means and these manners became part of the Law.
In other words, it can be called initially Oni, 80% of the players, which are not representing the number of voters here used to say Onos. And they definitely don't care whether their creator spell it Oni or Onos. That's Onos in their minds and that's why you'll never hear Oni on public or competitive games, or most of them, except maybe now because of people starting up this debate. So personally, it's Onos, I've been using this word since I play this game, everyone around me spells it Onos. The habits of people saying Onos should prevail over the fact of saying Oni. Matters not if that was not perceived this way by his creator.
My member number is 7. It is Oni. I would know. Solved.
I've been able to reach an ascended level on these here forums, way beyond all others and there's Onii-chan video as well... Even though I'd accept Oni as well :-?
Also I've mostly heard people call them Onii [Oh Knee] or Oni [Oh Nai], so saying no one says that, I find that quite odd...
Throwing logic out of the window just for its own sake is bad art.
Clearly you're unfamiliar with science fiction, abstract or surreal arts... some of the most revered genres within art.
All of which have no obligation whatsoever to neglect logic.
That is the purpose of art, otherwise we would just walk up to something and say "that's like....." and go on with our day. Art is illogical, or it isn't art.
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There was an audio recording of Flayra saying it, that link is dead tho.
There was also an official screenshot which had the caption "Stampede of Oni"
Whether either of these predate your findings, I do not know. (somewhere in 2003)
@Pelargir
Your Argumentum ad populum not only fails because it's a fallacy, but also because the people HAVE voted on this issue in that very thread I linked, and the message was clear; The people chose Oni
Sadly this thread is not turning out how I would have wanted, but multiple onos makes a lot of sense. Good thing language is flexible and always evolving. I used to argue with my gradeschool English teachers about this. They would say it was wrong, but I said I was on the forefront of the English language not entirely bound by official rules. It may of been voted for Oni then, and kind of now, but multiple onos is still very popular.
Throwing logic out of the window just for its own sake is bad art.
Clearly you're unfamiliar with science fiction, abstract or surreal arts... some of the most revered genres within art.
All of which have no obligation whatsoever to neglect logic.
That is the purpose of art, otherwise we would just walk up to something and say "that's like....." and go on with our day. Art is illogical, or it isn't art.
The point of art is by no means to be illogical for the sake of being illogical. I don't know why you would say that.
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Ok, but the rest of my post is still correct otherwise you would have argued one of the other 7 points rather than the weakest one.
Do you do it to all the names in Lord of the Rings or WoW too? lol
usage dictates a lot.
There's no point in discussion if everything can be dismissed by the excuse of 'art'. Throwing logic out of the window just for its own sake is bad art.
And the world of the Lord of the Rings is linguistically extremely elaborate, and I would, and people have, extensively, done this to all its names.
2) i dont vaccinate my childrenii because my children are imaginary
$$$
Also: Oni.
Just curious, who is the leader of UWE?
Well, you might... and you'd only be half-wrong - http://english.answers.com/grammar/the-plural-of-rhinoceros
It's kinda like the misuse of the word 'literally'. It's so commonly used that way that it's becoming more and more widely accepted such that they're starting to include it in the dictionary, even though it is technically a misuse.
However, perhaps this is even more of a reason not to vote for Oni - it promotes the continuing degradation of the English language.
All of which have no obligation whatsoever to neglect logic.
I know a couple of people who voted Oni but use the logical Onos word when they're playing.
But whatever...
where is your god now @Pelargir
Knowing the guy who phoned Flayra in the middle of the night and asked this particular question.
To repeat his words:
He believes that Flayra said its Oni, while he wasn´t so sure if he pressured him into that answer.
Could have also been Onoses, but he was too damn drunken to remember Flayras answer, the next day.
Plural - Onos (Oh-Noes pronounced as spelled)
(also, it's multiple onos or onoses; I've never seen anyone use oni ingame from 2002 to present. That's just some weird thing someone who thought they were being clever came up with on the forum)
Turns out he was talking about the video game Oni released in 2001. So do the next dozen or so people.
The next use was in the alien name reveal thread; where level1/bob, level2/pudgy/fatty, level3/flappy/batty, level4/blinky and level5/tiny were discarded for skulk, gorge, lerk, fade and onos.
http://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/5239/alien-names/p1
Tomodachi thought onos sounded stupid and wanted to call them oni (singular) on page 1.
The next use was windelkron on the next page who thought oni was a silly name for the level 5 and thought it was better suited to the level 4, because it means ghost or demon or something in some culture or other.
Then on page 8 JediYoshi asks what the plural of onos is and TychoCelchuuu chimes: http://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/comment/72493#Comment_72493
Unless someone has mentioned it on IRC before then, this is when oni was invented.
Source?
Also I agree, It clearly is a meaningless vote. People ingame will keep saying onos no matter what we say on the forum.
There's people who voted that the plural of Onos is Onos. Which I agree on. Because 1 Onos, 2 Onos. Whatever you're looking at ingame, you will never see this word Oni. Always Onos.
It also makes sense to not change anything to a such word ending up with a S. English is not my native language but it still makes more sense than any other, I mean, Onoses will not confuse me though but definitely not Oni.
You can also refer to what @Obraxis said about it, and unlike me, he's from United Kingdom, he knows English perfectly well.
There's also people saying Onoses which is fine I guess. Some kind of confirmation we're talking about multiple Onos. It matters not whether it's true or not. You can spell it Onoses and write it Onos or simply both writting and spelling it Onoses. It's not that weird honestly.
Another one is saying that the plural of Onos is Onii. What? Why? I mean, why Onii and not Oni? What's the point at adding another i? I'm still looking for an answer in this thread because no one has been able to clarify the use of another i at the end of the word. So, can someone explain me why 1 Onos = 2 Onii?
The last one is about Oni. And for what it worth, the only reason mentioned in this thread was because the one who created this word said that, sometimes.
Hum, okay. so because @Flayra said Oni, his word is truth? I mean, no, really. When your game reaches a such high amount of players, the voice of one man does not any longer matter.
I'm from France. We've been the first country making codes for our laws. If we're looking for an article, jurisprudence, court decision, anything related to the Law, we only need to take a look into our impressive number of various codes. For instance, in our Penal Code, if there's nothing about punishment and sanction, there's none. We always refer to these codes to find the truth about the law in general.
Well, not always actually, as many countries do, the "custom" is also part of our system. Especially our stuff related to trade law. There's things that should be this way, written and mentioned in our codes but the custom and habits of our tradespeople changed it, it's been like that but most of the people, if not everybody was acting differently, was dealing with other means and these manners became part of the Law.
In other words, it can be called initially Oni, 80% of the players, which are not representing the number of voters here used to say Onos. And they definitely don't care whether their creator spell it Oni or Onos. That's Onos in their minds and that's why you'll never hear Oni on public or competitive games, or most of them, except maybe now because of people starting up this debate. So personally, it's Onos, I've been using this word since I play this game, everyone around me spells it Onos. The habits of people saying Onos should prevail over the fact of saying Oni. Matters not if that was not perceived this way by his creator.
I've been able to reach an ascended level on these here forums, way beyond all others and there's Onii-chan video as well... Even though I'd accept Oni as well :-?
Also I've mostly heard people call them Onii [Oh Knee] or Oni [Oh Nai], so saying no one says that, I find that quite odd...
Also:
That is the purpose of art, otherwise we would just walk up to something and say "that's like....." and go on with our day. Art is illogical, or it isn't art.
Probably isn't right, but it is fun to say.
There was an audio recording of Flayra saying it, that link is dead tho.
There was also an official screenshot which had the caption "Stampede of Oni"
Whether either of these predate your findings, I do not know. (somewhere in 2003)
@Pelargir
Your Argumentum ad populum not only fails because it's a fallacy, but also because the people HAVE voted on this issue in that very thread I linked, and the message was clear; The people chose Oni
The point of art is by no means to be illogical for the sake of being illogical. I don't know why you would say that.