Help! Been Banned By Mistake!

JackBeenSpammedJackBeenSpammed Bansville Join Date: 2015-03-21 Member: 202413Members
I'm Jackalope and ive been locked out of my account and all of my posts have disappeared. I told a spammer trying to sell taxi service not to post on the board. I'm afraid i may have been banned along with the spammer. Can a MOD let me know whats going on and help me recover my account?

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  • DavycannonhoundDavycannonhound Join Date: 2015-02-24 Member: 201527Members
    I had the same thing happen to me! I reported one of his "discussions" and got banned, losing both of my discussions (which were some of the most popular subnautica discussion out there!)! Like what the heck!? This make me so angry and if it weren't a rule on the forums to not cuss I probably would be cussing right now.
  • BeigeAlertBeigeAlert Texas Join Date: 2013-08-08 Member: 186657Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
  • GhoulofGSG9GhoulofGSG9 Join Date: 2013-03-31 Member: 184566Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Supporter, Pistachionauts
    edited March 2015
    Ok, time for me to apologize to both of you (@Davycanonhoud , @JackBeenSpammed ).

    This is another time where using a automatically tool turned out to be a nightmare.

    All i wanted was to ban the creator of that thread. What i did wrong: i used the internal "anti-spam" tool which seems to think anyone posting in a spam thread is also a spam-bot.

    I can totally understand why you are angry, I'm angry about myself at the moment. Your accounts should be restored even though sadly your comments are still gone due to how that tool works.

    I'm glad you choose to inform us about those wrong bans i triggered without even realizing that i triggered them.

    Lesson learned: Never ever use that anti-spam tool again.

    Still I personally think this kind of mistake should not have happened and therefor will resign from my duties as forum moderator.
  • simusimu Join Date: 2015-03-03 Member: 201680Members
    edited March 2015
    Ok, time for me to apologize to both of you (@Davycanonhoud , @JackBeenSpammed ).
    [...]
    seems like you forgot some accounts...

    The forum software should be changed:
    banning without warning is bad enough, but without giving out why you got banned is worse, actually senseless - how can you change behavior without even knowing that you are doing something "wrong".
    And worst of all, you should at least be informed that you was banned - I have spent lot of time clearing cache, cookies, history, resetting browser, resetting password and still no glues that I was banned!
    Not speaking from removing all posts...

    Anyway, everyone can (and will) make errors, including moderators, so not sure if resigning from the job is required... mostly because the problem was some "anti-spam" tool.

    I surely know how frustrating it can be to be a forum moderator!
    and one more reason to like SPAM - I ask myself if someone still get hooked by SPAM
  • GhoulofGSG9GhoulofGSG9 Join Date: 2013-03-31 Member: 184566Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Supporter, Pistachionauts
    edited March 2015
    simu wrote: »
    Ok, time for me to apologize to both of you (@Davycanonhoud , @JackBeenSpammed ).
    [...]
    seems like you forgot some accounts...

    The forum software should be changed:
    banning without warning is bad enough, but without giving out why you got banned is worse, actually senseless - how can you change behavior without even knowing that you are doing something "wrong".
    And worst of all, you should at least be informed that you was banned - I have spent lot of time clearing cache, cookies, history, resetting browser, resetting password and still no glues that I was banned!
    Not speaking from removing all posts...

    Anyway, everyone can (and will) make errors, including moderators, so not sure if resigning from the job is required... mostly because the problem was some "anti-spam" tool.

    I surely know how frustrating it can be to be a forum moderator!

    Normally banning is done throw a ticket system, so you get tickets with points each time you harm the forum rules. Once you collect a certain amount of those warning points you get banned temporarily.

    Normally the only user we ban immediately are indeed spam-bots.

    I agree that the way you get informed about bans is not really effective and weird. E.g. users, which are banned temporarily don't even get told when their ban expires or that it's temporarily.

    But asking for improvements when it comes to this forum, well that's a long story ending with that we basically leak manpower and time for it.

    My mistake with using the tool was that i did not double check what it did (like removing all posts instead just banning). Just trusting that the tool does what i want it to do.

    And i personally feel like every moderator should double check things when it comes to banning. And i missed to do it due to a lack of time.

    Which is not excusable in any way and tells me that I'm not suited anymore to be a moderator.

    Also i apologize to anyone else i missed in my previous post ( but you @simu should be the only one). But i can't even look up who i banned lately once they got unbanned ...

  • The_Big_Bad_W8lfThe_Big_Bad_W8lf England Join Date: 2015-03-15 Member: 202178Members
    edited March 2015
    Ok, time for me to apologize to both of you (@Davycanonhoud , @JackBeenSpammed ).

    This is another time where using a automatically tool turned out to be a nightmare.

    All i wanted was to ban the creator of that thread. What i did wrong: i used the internal "anti-spam" tool which seems to think anyone posting in a spam thread is also a spam-bot.

    I can totally understand why you are angry, I'm angry about myself at the moment. Your accounts should be restored even though sadly your comments are still gone due to how that tool works.

    I'm glad you choose to inform us about those wrong bans i triggered without even realizing that i triggered them.

    Lesson learned: Never ever use that anti-spam tool again.

    Still I personally think this kind of mistake should not have happened and therefor will resign from my duties as forum moderator.
    Dont resign you are a wonderful person. You admitted you're mistakes, and you apologized. We're all human and we make mistakes sometimes, we're only human... :). As long as everyone is happy, and no hard feelings are left behind you don't need to resign.

    "If you live long enough, you'll make mistakes. But if you learn from them, you'll be a better person. It's how you handle adversity, not how it affects you. The main thing is never quit, never quit, never quit."
    William J. Clinton
  • simusimu Join Date: 2015-03-03 Member: 201680Members
    edited March 2015
    exactly what I wanted to say, no need to resign (because of that) - it's a hard job, there can't be enough moderators to do it. And errors will always be done...

    Edit: actually it was only a mistake, not an error... it was just not knowing, not taking into account what the software does, it was not meant to ban all of us.
  • JackalopeJackalope Join Date: 2015-03-13 Member: 202057Members
    Thanks for restoring my account! Its a bummer that my old posts have
    vanished into the void, but not something to resign over. Maybe just remind the other mods to use a different tool when banning spammers. No hard feelings
  • DavycannonhoundDavycannonhound Join Date: 2015-02-24 Member: 201527Members
    edited March 2015
    @GhoulofGSG9 thankyou for restoring my account. :) No need for you to resign, it was an honest mistake. Just remember to be more careful from now on. :p

    You mentioned comments cannot be restored, what about discussions? Mine still seem to be missing...
  • The_Big_Bad_W8lfThe_Big_Bad_W8lf England Join Date: 2015-03-15 Member: 202178Members
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    I think and I'm only 99% sure on this :P But verifying your email address would probably protect your account from the auto spamkiller (to some extent). I tend to not use that thing as I never trust automated systems and going to the spamsource you can specifically target only that account, excluding all others AFAIK...
  • DavycannonhoundDavycannonhound Join Date: 2015-02-24 Member: 201527Members
    @Kouji_San that is unfortunately false. I have veryfied my email and i still got banned, so...
  • The_Big_Bad_W8lfThe_Big_Bad_W8lf England Join Date: 2015-03-15 Member: 202178Members
    @Kouji_San that is unfortunately false. I have veryfied my email and i still got banned, so...
    Hmmmmm :).. Who knows :D.

  • ComproxComprox *chortle* Canada Join Date: 2002-01-23 Member: 7Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    edited March 2015
    Yeah, nothing (like verified accounts) could have stopped it. Something went crazy when Ghoul tried to ban the spam bot. It even banned most people 3 times in a row, which is frankly just impossible. Also, no reason was given as spam bots do not need a reason. During a 'normal' ban, we type in a reason and the user is notified. Sadly you guys were caught as spam bots, so you got no notice. I am still trying to figure out what broke, but I am really sorry about all this. And Ghoul is sticking around as this could have happened to anyone, including me.

    All accounts should be restored as well. And posts too. Ghoul had to go in and manually fix each post. More bugs in the software didn't bring those back like they should have. Time to go report some bugs to the forum company.
  • The_Big_Bad_W8lfThe_Big_Bad_W8lf England Join Date: 2015-03-15 Member: 202178Members
    Comprox wrote: »
    Yeah, nothing (like verified accounts) could have stopped it. Something went crazy when Ghoul tried to ban the spam bot. It even banned most people 3 times in a row, which is frankly just impossible. Also, no reason was given as spam bots do not need a reason. During a 'normal' ban, we type in a reason and the user is notified. Sadly you guys were caught as spam bots, so you got no notice. I am still trying to figure out what broke, but I am really sorry about all this. And Ghoul is sticking around as this could have happened to anyone, including me.

    All accounts should be restored as well.
    Everyone on the forum is so polite :), So helpful, forgiving, :)
  • GhoulofGSG9GhoulofGSG9 Join Date: 2013-03-31 Member: 184566Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Supporter, Pistachionauts
    edited March 2015
    Ok, after digging a bit more into the forum utilities i actually found a way to restore all threads and posts which got lost due to my mistake and the "anti-spam" function going somewhat crazy.

    Hopefully this doesn't happen again. And @The_Big_Bad_W8lf don't wonder that you are last edited in most threads that's the cool "side-feature" of restoring posts.
  • The_Big_Bad_W8lfThe_Big_Bad_W8lf England Join Date: 2015-03-15 Member: 202178Members
    Ok, after digging a bit more into the forum utilities i actually found a way to restore all threads and posts which got lost due to my mistake and the "anti-spam" function going somewhat crazy.

    Hopefully this doesn't happen again.
    Thats good :), Hopefully it will fix their problems :)
  • DavycannonhoundDavycannonhound Join Date: 2015-02-24 Member: 201527Members
  • simusimu Join Date: 2015-03-03 Member: 201680Members
    edited March 2015
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    I think and I'm only 99% sure on this :P But verifying your email address would probably protect your account from the auto spamkiller (to some extent). [...]
    I believe you must verify your account before you can post...
    Comprox wrote: »
    [...]
    During a 'normal' ban, we type in a reason and the user is notified. Sadly you guys were caught as spam bots, so you got no notice.
    [...]
    I understand that there is no need to inform spam bots about the banning, but would be nice to know that the account is locked after trying to log in. Maybe just change the message a bit.
    Comprox wrote: »
    [...]
    I am still trying to figure out what broke, but I am really sorry about all this. And Ghoul is sticking around as this could have happened to anyone, including me.
    [...]
    Just for your info: I tried to report that SPAM (something about taxi) and always got a message like the MessageID was invalid (don't remember the exact terms). So I thought that my browser had some problem and tried again after reloading the message and even restarting the browser... not sure if that is related, coincidentally 3 times...

    And thank you, seems like all posts were restored,
    despite the counter not showing it (insignificant) [:-)
  • SilveressaSilveressa USA Join Date: 2015-03-18 Member: 202279Members
    Glad to see this got sorted so quickly and that no permanent damage was done.
  • JackalopeJackalope Join Date: 2015-03-13 Member: 202057Members
    edited March 2015
    Thanks for putting in the extra work to restore my posts Ghoul. It sounds like it took a lot of time restore each one individually. I'm glad to hear you're gonna stay with the mod team :)
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