<!--QuoteBegin--Bullet-Man-2+Jan 11 2003, 10:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bullet-Man-2 @ Jan 11 2003, 10:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oops, I forgot the topic!
What happened to the Internet? The Internet was an open community of people who wanted to explore. Inside communities were more communities, and inside of those communities were more communities. There are billions of people in all of these communities!
The point of the Internet was to become this place where billions of people were and where information could be found across the world. With this power people wanted Internet Governments. Inside these communities’ people built their own Governments; their main goal was to build a democracy, but ended up as a dictatorship. Great examples of this are forums. Every one knows what forums are, they are those CGI or PHP scripts which allow users to store data on a server and let other users read that data. Dictators, or “Moderators” control the forums; they say what goes and what doesn’t. Administrators develop sub forums, with every little topic covered in its own section. If you post a thread under the wrong forum you get warned. What the hell? A forum about a game with 20 sub categories and you expect us to put our ideas in the appropriate category? Even know the thread is related to the topic, you can’t post it under the General… It seems the General forum is only for topics relating to the general aspect of the game (or what the forum is about), not technical support, not ideas and suggestions, and not bugs.
Moderator abuses; a very common problem. Lets take a look at Natural-Selections.org’s rules upon entering the forums:
These guidelines represent the policy on the NS forums, and in all NS IRC channels (those with official NS community operator status).
- Never, ever, under any circumstance, attack or "flame" anyone. Ever. No behavior is bad enough that warrants retaliation.
- Remain friendly and civil at all times. Be helpful when possible. Treat others the way you would like to be treated.
- Use of the NS forums or IRC channel is a privilege, not a right. NS community officials reserve the right to create the community we want to be a part of.
- Swearing, and use of slurs about race or sexual-orientation are prohibited. Words that try to sneak around the swear filter are prohibited.
- Slanderous, defamatory, false, obscene, indecent, lewd, pornographic, abusive, insulting, threatening, harassing or obnoxious comments are not appropriate in the NS community.
- Any form of direct or indirect personal attack or harassment is prohibited.
- Any comment that calls for or encourages unlawful or illegal behavior or might result in harm to others is prohibited.
- Please stay on topic. Rambling or off-topic topics may be deleted without warning.
- Aggressive advertising is not allowed.
- If you wish to emphasize your point, use a bold font. Obnoxious use of oversized fonts and headings will not allowed.
- Use of non-NS copyrighted materials in posts or in chat are discouraged and could be removed without notice.
- If a user breaks any of these rules, they will generally get a warning. Repeated offenses will result in temporary or permanent suspension of your account or banning from IRC. The forum moderators and IRC operators will use their best judgment in these cases.
- If you feel you've been unfairly treated, send a clearly-written e-mail to abuse@natural-selection.org. Please send IRC transcripts, your forum posts, and anything else to represent your case. You will not get a response, but if an NS community admin is being abusive, it will be clear and action will be taken to fix the situation.
My favorite is “Remain friendly and civil at all times. Be helpful when possible. Treat others the way you would like to be treated.” Just try and mention the name Hitler in a thread, you will get spammed beyond belief. It seems using the name Hitler automatically makes you a Nazi… I love that idea, so I had to try it out. On a thread I made on the Natural-Selections.org forum, I added a line at the end of my thread saying this: “Hitler was a great man; he spoke with courage and with dignity. He didn’t use profanity to make his point. He put in the minds of millions, the idea of a superior race; a race of blonde hair, blue eyed Germans. He did all this with the power of his words.” The thread it self wasn’t off topic, it was correctly placed in the General section. I added the Hitler section to show people that words really are powerful. The replies I got are as follows: (“bye noob!”), (“You're just begging for it here, n00b.”), (“Actually, Hitler was one of the most vile and evil people who ever lived. Simply calling him a great man makes me think you're one of those punks who spams "White power" and the like trying to get banned. Get off the boards noob, no one likes a Nazi.”). The fun part about that was that “Never, ever, under any circumstance, attack or "flame" anyone. Ever. No behavior is bad enough that warrants retaliation.” rule was broken as well as, “Remain friendly and civil at all times. Be helpful when possible. Treat others the way you would like to be treated.” and “- Any form of direct or indirect personal attack or harassment is prohibited.” were all broken.
Gaming, what I love to do! Being of legal age, I like the fact I can go out to CompUSA and buy any title I want. Half-Life is an MA rated game, for Mature Audiences. Swearing is how we humans get rid of bad emotions; we have to swear! We need a vocabulary that can deliver our feelings in a one to two word phrase! When your angry you’re not going to say “Please don’t laugh at my inability to survive.” You’re going to shout out “SUYF!” You have every right to! You purchased a game, which permitted you to look at violence, and to listen to bad language. That’s your choice, not the servers! If you have ever asked the server admin why the swear filters are there he will simply reply, because we have little kids playing here… What is a 10 year old doing with Half-Life? If the parents permitted them to play, then they should understand that bad language is inevitable.
I’m asking for you people to realize that the Internet cannot and will not have a Government! These foolish amendments you make have no real meaning if no one pays attention to them. By stating that you can’t launch flame wars only shows what moronic values you have. A flame war is debating! If you can get a flame war started all the power to you. You will profit much more from a flame war than from a topic about stopping it! This thread is going to get deleted off of most forums I post, so please read it and remember it. If you disagree on everything I’ve said, good for you. That’s what I like about a person, someone who is not narrow minded, someone who can say no and someone who can say yes. I’m sick of these amendments that tell me who I’m suppose to be, how I’m suppose to act, and where my freedom of speech is allowed. Just remember one thing, there is no such thing as world peace, we all have hate, and we all have opinions.
Don’t use your heart; it only pumps blood, while your brain pumps thought into everyone you speak.
The firearms forums are hilarious. Not because of any one person, but because of the utter lack of moderation. Flame wars, hot chick threads, you name it, it's in there.
fo·rum ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fôrm, fr-) n. pl. fo·rums, also fo·ra (fôr, fr)
The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business. A public meeting place for open discussion. A medium of open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper or a radio or television program. A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation. A court of law; a tribunal.
Open discussion? Voicing of ideas? Sure, these are great. But sure, there's a flip side. Sometimes someone comes along and shoots his or her mouth off about something that makes your blood boil, something that you would gladly spend the rest of your life fighting against, laying down your life to make sure those hideous notions never went into effect. That's free speech tehre my freind.
There are a lot of arguments for and against Censorship. Ultimately, I think that free speech is great, and THAT is something I would spend the rest of my life fighting for. But you know what? That's my call. Someone else may want to only see what they want to see, free from ideas that make them angry, make them annoyed, and generally things that put them in a bad mood.
But you know what the reality of the situation is? This forum is a remotely operated script on the internet, the exclusive domain of the people that run it. If they choose to side with teh second group, then that's their choice, and it's their forum to moderate. Really, it is. The thing is, the internet is so impersonal, so anonymous that any 10 year old that knows how to use a keyboard can get on here are start flaming to make people angry. For that reason, and that reason alone, is why I choose to support the team in tehir moderation. Sure, it may be censored, sure, it may even be hypocritical at times, but what's the use in attempting to make it a crime against humanity.
I hate to say it, but if you don't like this place you are free to click your back button and check out any other forum on the internet. The <a href='http://www.overclockers.com' target='_blank'>http://www.overclockers.com</a> one is particularly nice. The key difference between this and a dictatorship is that you are given a choice. In a dictatorship like the one you described, is that you actually have the choice to get the hell out. IN a dictatorship, it was either forefit your rights, or forefit your life. Here, you simply Do us the dishonor of removing your presence from the area. Nobody here has the fear of getting banned, noone here is put into a corner and forced to sing Flayra's praises. We are here, and we support this "dictatorship" of our own free will.
I get the point, that yes we do need moderation. But why can't mods be forgiving? I mean who cares, let a thread slip here and there. Mods to me are just like bots, as soon as they see a thread they don't like, BAM its gone. The DMCA doesn't really cover forum posting, since forum posting is public domain you can copy as you like. I wasn't sure if I was going to post it on a forum, so I just added some copyright statements (plus it looks cool <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> ).
Another interesting thing, you guys replied with "care." Not a 4 word phrase. Maybe a long thread gives people a different grasp on the topic.
lol! I love how they all suggested you be banned.. priceless. Aren't you glad the forum-goers here at least read posts that are longer than one printed page? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Personally it was a little too, shall we say, educated, to reach the minds of most of the people who post there (from which I gathered, was somewhere around the age of 15-16 and about as mature as a high-school freshman). You were barking up the wrong tree there, bud...
<!--QuoteBegin--Speed 2 Dave+Jan 11 2003, 01:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Speed 2 Dave @ Jan 11 2003, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally it was a little too, shall we say, educated, to reach the minds of most of the people who post there (from which I gathered, was somewhere around the age of 15-16 and about as mature as a high-school freshman). You were barking up the wrong tree there, bud...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> At least we are still able to recognize the concept that words can be used together in sentences, which, in turn, may be utilized to express complete thoughts.
I lost about 50 IQ points by going to that CS thread.
<!--QuoteBegin--Bullet-Man-2+Jan 11 2003, 08:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bullet-Man-2 @ Jan 11 2003, 08:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I love how much the CS.net community has evolved... They can't construct a simple statement.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I didn't read your post either. You listed all these rules and expect me to read them, WTF man? I agree with that girl who flicked you off on the CS forums, whats your point?
BTW if you think the moderators are "dictators" why dont you start your own forum? You could not moderate and watch it deteriorate into internet kibble.
FamDiaper-Wearing Dog On A BallJoin Date: 2002-02-17Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
edited January 2003
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Moderator abuses; a very common problem<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Name a moderator using his powers for a purpose other than to keep these forums in line with the rules as defined by the person who both made the game and pays for every letter you type on the forum. I challenge you to point out moderator abuse.
Half-Life had no rating upon release. There is currently no way to enforce computer games to be age restricted, at least not in the UK and a good deal of EU countries. In a multi-national forum, for discussion about Natural Selection and related issues, encouraging debate about Nazi-ism is asking for trouble. Would you stand in the streets of Auschwitz and claim that Hitler was a great man?
Just because the internet is more anonymous than normal communication does not, in my view at least, mean that it should be more argumentative, or full of profanities, or mis-spelt because of lack of association between comments and the person behind it. People may react harsly to others, but as always, you will face the consequences.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You have every right to! You purchased a game, which permitted you to look at violence, and to listen to bad language.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This may be true, but when posting on this forum, and playing NS, you will always have your actions dictated by the creators of said game. You may not like it, but by posting there you agree to it. Flayra has every right to change your text, or have it changed for him by a moderator.
The internet is just an extension of real life. As such, the same rules apply, even down to things like your copyright notice. If you create a whole new persona just for the internet, one that swears, flames, throws away order and succession, abuses power, and heeds laws, and then you leave your old one behind, it brings up but one question:
Why am I wasting my real life with a falsity?
Get with the real world. Become a person grounded in reality, only then will you be able to fly.
<!--QuoteBegin--Fam+Jan 11 2003, 11:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fam @ Jan 11 2003, 11:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->encouraging debate about Nazi-ism is asking for trouble. Would you stand in the streets of Auswitz and claim that Hitler was a great man? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> just to clarify, Auschwitz was a concentration camp, not a town? Meaning there are no streets and noone lives there! <a href='http://auschwitz.dk/Auschwitz.htm' target='_blank'>Here's a link from a google.</a> It's really sad to think about actually, I never really have... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
FamDiaper-Wearing Dog On A BallJoin Date: 2002-02-17Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
It is also a town, now renamed to Oswiecim, and the camps (there were 2 if I remember) themselves were named after the town they were built nearby. The camp itself is indeed normally full of tourists. I missed the chance to visit and pay my respects a few years ago due to illness. :/
zergling, I've been to Auschwitz, there are streets. You might call them paths or roads or whatever, but there are definite moving with people/larger object-designated parts, and that was part of the camp design.
Please don't discuss semantics on a bad subject for me <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> To me, what you just said reminded me of people I've heard talk about how the Concentration camps were lies, and that no one was ever killed in a K-lager.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm American. I respect the Bill of Rights. Freedom of Speech is one of the greatest parts of being American. That being said, you have no rights in here, whatsoever.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've said that before, and it's quite fitting here. These forums are as much a private organization as any business establishment or home. You have the right to ban me from shopping in your store if I, say, break your merchandise or antagonize your customers. We have the right to prevent you from visiting these forums and posting if you are shown to be continually disruptive or consistently violating forum rules. But the whole concept of 'rights' on the internet is somewhat flawed, as there certainly exists no governing body or doctrine of internet use.
But then, I feel this isn't exactly the point of your post.
We mods are not infallible, and we cannot monitor every thread and post made in this forum. There are too few of us, and too many of you, and we simply cannot devote every waking second of our time to watch over these forums. We do our best, but there will be times where topics in need of moderation aren't noticed.
One point I must focus on is your bringing up of swear filters. I've never used the excuse that it's to protect the young children. It's a weak excuse. I am not opposed to swear filters, however. I personally just don't like seeing it. I simply cannot respect a person who's every other word is an expletive. And if someone isn't able to clearly or concisely express their opinions without swearing, then I honestly don't feel that they're worth my time to listen to.
Anyways, as always, if you have any problems with these forums, or how we run things here, you are free to leave at your will. No one's keeping you here.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm American. I respect the Bill of Rights. Freedom of Speech is one of the greatest parts of being American. That being said, you have no rights in here, whatsoever.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Freedom to protest, speak out against the government. This was a big problem in most of the world, spoke against the king and you lose your head. People need to realize that Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want
How dare you post to a CS site from here? My eyes are still hemoragging... OOO the pain!
Hitler was a Great man. He was also a monster, and he was surrounded by monsters. His name lives on stronger than names of Caesar, and Ghengis Khan. Hitler. Others step up to the plate for thier slice of history, Castro, Milosevic, Stalin. These just dont seem to match up, despite thier own strings of terror and murder. Hitler WAS a good speaker, and anything about him should be put to memory. You must know your enemy to defeat your enemy. Idle hatred and ignorance will get you no where.
I love how much the CS.net community has evolved... They can't construct a simple statement.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Personally this "post" did amuse me. Half the replies where "banned" or half hadn't even read all (if any) of your post. But I am now forced to ask, why question the forums, their rules, their moderators, or their users? At the end of the day it's just an Internet Forum, nothing I have ever read here or on ANY other forums will stop me from sleeping at night. It's just text from yet another complete stranger. If you're one of those people who spends countless hours per day on the internet then you can question their methods all you like, but the casual users amongst us won't care, and won't give it a second thought.
So my bottom line is, ............................ accept it for what it is and go on with your life. Leave the CS.net users to learn about sentences, and sleep easy.
I love how much the CS.net community has evolved... They can't construct a simple statement.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I shouldn't even get involved, but the reason you can post something like this in the NS forum without the replies you see above is that we take a more hardline when it comes to friendliness.
It all has to do with the rules the board owner (in this case, Flay) wants to lay down. It's just that we have more strict rules here. There's nothing right or wrong about it.
The moderators are not abusing people. They are only keeping law, they are police. If you break the law, **** happens.
You should be happy that everyone on this forum actually reads your post, and replies with more than 2 words, doesn't speak in l33t speak and gives proper responses (Most of them, at least)
Btw, Although Hitler was an insane ultra-nationalist, he was really smart and powerful with his words.
This might only apply to US theory on this whole thing, but going off of Greedo's loveable quote...
My rights to freedom of speach, is not the end. You have an unalienable right not to hear whatever it is I have to say. That means that I can't go screaming "Santa Claus isn't real!" throughout a crowded mall 2 days before Christmas. It means I can't constantly walk behind people screaming profanities at them. Ever flip off a cop as you're walking down the street? The nightstick that is slowly becoming a permanent part of your body should remind you that you are wrong.
The only reason for this thread was because you guys are my last commnunity. I love NS as a game, and no other game out there can replace it. I guess I'm angry at the fact I left so many Communities... First CS.net, then my clan, then Forumthon. Now all I got left is a couple friends online and this place. Of course this is the Internet, but it's apart of my life. I'm young, I don't have a car, I don't have a credit card... I don't have a job. I guess I shouldn't really take this out on you guys. You seem to be a logical and fair community.
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What happened to the Internet? The Internet was an open community of people who wanted to explore. Inside communities were more communities, and inside of those communities were more communities. There are billions of people in all of these communities!
The point of the Internet was to become this place where billions of people were and where information could be found across the world. With this power people wanted Internet Governments. Inside these communities’ people built their own Governments; their main goal was to build a democracy, but ended up as a dictatorship. Great examples of this are forums. Every one knows what forums are, they are those CGI or PHP scripts which allow users to store data on a server and let other users read that data. Dictators, or “Moderators” control the forums; they say what goes and what doesn’t. Administrators develop sub forums, with every little topic covered in its own section. If you post a thread under the wrong forum you get warned. What the hell? A forum about a game with 20 sub categories and you expect us to put our ideas in the appropriate category? Even know the thread is related to the topic, you can’t post it under the General… It seems the General forum is only for topics relating to the general aspect of the game (or what the forum is about), not technical support, not ideas and suggestions, and not bugs.
Moderator abuses; a very common problem. Lets take a look at Natural-Selections.org’s rules upon entering the forums:
These guidelines represent the policy on the NS forums, and in all NS IRC channels (those with official NS community operator status).
- Never, ever, under any circumstance, attack or "flame" anyone. Ever. No behavior is bad enough that warrants retaliation.
- Remain friendly and civil at all times. Be helpful when possible. Treat others the way you would like to be treated.
- Use of the NS forums or IRC channel is a privilege, not a right. NS community officials reserve the right to create the community we want to be a part of.
- Swearing, and use of slurs about race or sexual-orientation are prohibited. Words that try to sneak around the swear filter are prohibited.
- Slanderous, defamatory, false, obscene, indecent, lewd, pornographic, abusive, insulting, threatening, harassing or obnoxious comments are not appropriate in the NS community.
- Any form of direct or indirect personal attack or harassment is prohibited.
- Any comment that calls for or encourages unlawful or illegal behavior or might result in harm to others is prohibited.
- Please stay on topic. Rambling or off-topic topics may be deleted without warning.
- Aggressive advertising is not allowed.
- If you wish to emphasize your point, use a bold font. Obnoxious use of oversized fonts and headings will not allowed.
- Use of non-NS copyrighted materials in posts or in chat are discouraged and could be removed without notice.
- If a user breaks any of these rules, they will generally get a warning. Repeated offenses will result in temporary or permanent suspension of your account or banning from IRC. The forum moderators and IRC operators will use their best judgment in these cases.
- If you feel you've been unfairly treated, send a clearly-written e-mail to abuse@natural-selection.org. Please send IRC transcripts, your forum posts, and anything else to represent your case. You will not get a response, but if an NS community admin is being abusive, it will be clear and action will be taken to fix the situation.
My favorite is “Remain friendly and civil at all times. Be helpful when possible. Treat others the way you would like to be treated.” Just try and mention the name Hitler in a thread, you will get spammed beyond belief. It seems using the name Hitler automatically makes you a Nazi… I love that idea, so I had to try it out. On a thread I made on the Natural-Selections.org forum, I added a line at the end of my thread saying this: “Hitler was a great man; he spoke with courage and with dignity. He didn’t use profanity to make his point. He put in the minds of millions, the idea of a superior race; a race of blonde hair, blue eyed Germans. He did all this with the power of his words.” The thread it self wasn’t off topic, it was correctly placed in the General section. I added the Hitler section to show people that words really are powerful. The replies I got are as follows: (“bye noob!”), (“You're just begging for it here, n00b.”), (“Actually, Hitler was one of the most vile and evil people who ever lived. Simply calling him a great man makes me think you're one of those punks who spams "White power" and the like trying to get banned. Get off the boards noob, no one likes a Nazi.”). The fun part about that was that “Never, ever, under any circumstance, attack or "flame" anyone. Ever. No behavior is bad enough that warrants retaliation.” rule was broken as well as, “Remain friendly and civil at all times. Be helpful when possible. Treat others the way you would like to be treated.” and “- Any form of direct or indirect personal attack or harassment is prohibited.” were all broken.
Gaming, what I love to do! Being of legal age, I like the fact I can go out to CompUSA and buy any title I want. Half-Life is an MA rated game, for Mature Audiences. Swearing is how we humans get rid of bad emotions; we have to swear! We need a vocabulary that can deliver our feelings in a one to two word phrase! When your angry you’re not going to say “Please don’t laugh at my inability to survive.” You’re going to shout out “SUYF!” You have every right to! You purchased a game, which permitted you to look at violence, and to listen to bad language. That’s your choice, not the servers! If you have ever asked the server admin why the swear filters are there he will simply reply, because we have little kids playing here… What is a 10 year old doing with Half-Life? If the parents permitted them to play, then they should understand that bad language is inevitable.
I’m asking for you people to realize that the Internet cannot and will not have a Government! These foolish amendments you make have no real meaning if no one pays attention to them. By stating that you can’t launch flame wars only shows what moronic values you have. A flame war is debating! If you can get a flame war started all the power to you. You will profit much more from a flame war than from a topic about stopping it! This thread is going to get deleted off of most forums I post, so please read it and remember it. If you disagree on everything I’ve said, good for you. That’s what I like about a person, someone who is not narrow minded, someone who can say no and someone who can say yes. I’m sick of these amendments that tell me who I’m suppose to be, how I’m suppose to act, and where my freedom of speech is allowed. Just remember one thing, there is no such thing as world peace, we all have hate, and we all have opinions.
Don’t use your heart; it only pumps blood, while your brain pumps thought into everyone you speak.
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heh. I spit on your copyright, as I spit on all copyrights.. *sigh* That's not my point though. Posting about hitler in the GENERAL forum is, in fact, incorrect. It would be correctly posted in the Off-topic forum, but idolizing hitler is like making jew jokes in a synagogue. It's in bad taste, and you should expect to be chastized for it. Personally I will respect all opinions, but not everyone will. And though I respect all opinions it will never mean I won't disagree with them, and I can guarantee I'll post something back if I feel strong enough about it. That doesn't necessarily mean I think their post is crap... OK, new post # 22 about the gl's being overpowered will get flamed, but that's only because they don't know how to use a search function.
The firearms forums are hilarious. Not because of any one person, but because of the utter lack of moderation. Flame wars, hot chick threads, you name it, it's in there.
fo·rum ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fôrm, fr-)
n. pl. fo·rums, also fo·ra (fôr, fr)
The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
A public meeting place for open discussion.
A medium of open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper or a radio or television program.
A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.
A court of law; a tribunal.
Open discussion? Voicing of ideas? Sure, these are great. But sure, there's a flip side. Sometimes someone comes along and shoots his or her mouth off about something that makes your blood boil, something that you would gladly spend the rest of your life fighting against, laying down your life to make sure those hideous notions never went into effect. That's free speech tehre my freind.
There are a lot of arguments for and against Censorship. Ultimately, I think that free speech is great, and THAT is something I would spend the rest of my life fighting for. But you know what? That's my call. Someone else may want to only see what they want to see, free from ideas that make them angry, make them annoyed, and generally things that put them in a bad mood.
But you know what the reality of the situation is? This forum is a remotely operated script on the internet, the exclusive domain of the people that run it. If they choose to side with teh second group, then that's their choice, and it's their forum to moderate. Really, it is. The thing is, the internet is so impersonal, so anonymous that any 10 year old that knows how to use a keyboard can get on here are start flaming to make people angry. For that reason, and that reason alone, is why I choose to support the team in tehir moderation. Sure, it may be censored, sure, it may even be hypocritical at times, but what's the use in attempting to make it a crime against humanity.
I hate to say it, but if you don't like this place you are free to click your back button and check out any other forum on the internet.
The <a href='http://www.overclockers.com' target='_blank'>http://www.overclockers.com</a> one is particularly nice. The key difference between this and a dictatorship is that you are given a choice. In a dictatorship like the one you described, is that you actually have the choice to get the hell out. IN a dictatorship, it was either forefit your rights, or forefit your life. Here, you simply Do us the dishonor of removing your presence from the area. Nobody here has the fear of getting banned, noone here is put into a corner and forced to sing Flayra's praises. We are here, and we support this "dictatorship" of our own free will.
Another interesting thing, you guys replied with "care." Not a 4 word phrase. Maybe a long thread gives people a different grasp on the topic.
cheers
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I love how much the CS.net community has evolved... They can't construct a simple statement.
Personally it was a little too, shall we say, educated, to reach the minds of most of the people who post there (from which I gathered, was somewhere around the age of 15-16 and about as mature as a high-school freshman). You were barking up the wrong tree there, bud...
At least we are still able to recognize the concept that words can be used together in sentences, which, in turn, may be utilized to express complete thoughts.
I lost about 50 IQ points by going to that CS thread.
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I didn't read your post either. You listed all these rules and expect me to read them, WTF man? I agree with that girl who flicked you off on the CS forums, whats your point?
BTW if you think the moderators are "dictators" why dont you start your own forum? You could not moderate and watch it deteriorate into internet kibble.
BTW I flamed you.
Name a moderator using his powers for a purpose other than to keep these forums in line with the rules as defined by the person who both made the game and pays for every letter you type on the forum. I challenge you to point out moderator abuse.
Half-Life had no rating upon release. There is currently no way to enforce computer games to be age restricted, at least not in the UK and a good deal of EU countries. In a multi-national forum, for discussion about Natural Selection and related issues, encouraging debate about Nazi-ism is asking for trouble. Would you stand in the streets of Auschwitz and claim that Hitler was a great man?
Just because the internet is more anonymous than normal communication does not, in my view at least, mean that it should be more argumentative, or full of profanities, or mis-spelt because of lack of association between comments and the person behind it. People may react harsly to others, but as always, you will face the consequences.
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This may be true, but when posting on this forum, and playing NS, you will always have your actions dictated by the creators of said game. You may not like it, but by posting there you agree to it. Flayra has every right to change your text, or have it changed for him by a moderator.
The internet is just an extension of real life. As such, the same rules apply, even down to things like your copyright notice. If you create a whole new persona just for the internet, one that swears, flames, throws away order and succession, abuses power, and heeds laws, and then you leave your old one behind, it brings up but one question:
Why am I wasting my real life with a falsity?
Get with the real world. Become a person grounded in reality, only then will you be able to fly.
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just to clarify, Auschwitz was a concentration camp, not a town? Meaning there are no streets and noone lives there! <a href='http://auschwitz.dk/Auschwitz.htm' target='_blank'>Here's a link from a google.</a> It's really sad to think about actually, I never really have... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Please don't discuss semantics on a bad subject for me <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> To me, what you just said reminded me of people I've heard talk about how the Concentration camps were lies, and that no one was ever killed in a K-lager.
I've said that before, and it's quite fitting here. These forums are as much a private organization as any business establishment or home. You have the right to ban me from shopping in your store if I, say, break your merchandise or antagonize your customers. We have the right to prevent you from visiting these forums and posting if you are shown to be continually disruptive or consistently violating forum rules. But the whole concept of 'rights' on the internet is somewhat flawed, as there certainly exists no governing body or doctrine of internet use.
But then, I feel this isn't exactly the point of your post.
We mods are not infallible, and we cannot monitor every thread and post made in this forum. There are too few of us, and too many of you, and we simply cannot devote every waking second of our time to watch over these forums. We do our best, but there will be times where topics in need of moderation aren't noticed.
One point I must focus on is your bringing up of swear filters. I've never used the excuse that it's to protect the young children. It's a weak excuse. I am not opposed to swear filters, however. I personally just don't like seeing it. I simply cannot respect a person who's every other word is an expletive. And if someone isn't able to clearly or concisely express their opinions without swearing, then I honestly don't feel that they're worth my time to listen to.
Anyways, as always, if you have any problems with these forums, or how we run things here, you are free to leave at your will. No one's keeping you here.
Freedom to protest, speak out against the government. This was a big problem in most of the world, spoke against the king and you lose your head. People need to realize that Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want
Hitler was a Great man. He was also a monster, and he was surrounded by monsters. His name lives on stronger than names of Caesar, and Ghengis Khan. Hitler. Others step up to the plate for thier slice of history, Castro, Milosevic, Stalin. These just dont seem to match up, despite thier own strings of terror and murder. Hitler WAS a good speaker, and anything about him should be put to memory. You must know your enemy to defeat your enemy. Idle hatred and ignorance will get you no where.
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Personally this "post" did amuse me. Half the replies where "banned" or half hadn't even read all (if any) of your post.
But I am now forced to ask, why question the forums, their rules, their moderators, or their users?
At the end of the day it's just an Internet Forum, nothing I have ever read here or on ANY other forums will stop me from sleeping at night. It's just text from yet another complete stranger.
If you're one of those people who spends countless hours per day on the internet then you can question their methods all you like, but the casual users amongst us won't care, and won't give it a second thought.
So my bottom line is, ............................ accept it for what it is and go on with your life.
Leave the CS.net users to learn about sentences, and sleep easy.
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I shouldn't even get involved, but the reason you can post something like this in the NS forum without the replies you see above is that we take a more hardline when it comes to friendliness.
It all has to do with the rules the board owner (in this case, Flay) wants to lay down. It's just that we have more strict rules here. There's nothing right or wrong about it.
You should be happy that everyone on this forum actually reads your post, and replies with more than 2 words, doesn't speak in l33t speak and gives proper responses (Most of them, at least)
Btw, Although Hitler was an insane ultra-nationalist, he was really smart and powerful with his words.
My rights to freedom of speach, is not the end. You have an unalienable right not to hear whatever it is I have to say. That means that I can't go screaming "Santa Claus isn't real!" throughout a crowded mall 2 days before Christmas. It means I can't constantly walk behind people screaming profanities at them. Ever flip off a cop as you're walking down the street? The nightstick that is slowly becoming a permanent part of your body should remind you that you are wrong.
Oh god, I really need a girlfriend...