If this isn't an indicator of how out of touch with the community UWE is, then I don't know what is. Discarding and even Disrespecting a fucking LEGEND of community member as you are is a COMPLETE FAILURE (of UWE) in pretty much any terms, be it human/social or strategical/economical (the latter seemingly being the only one that interests UWE).
I am trying to get in the minds of UWE here, and really all I can think of is, that this is some kind of PERSONAL issue. @Mendasp, you showed UWE their shortcomings (not to say UWE is bad, just not perfect) by doing the work they could/should have done. It can be a hard pill to swallow that some random guy is doing something better than what you do for a living.
@Flayra, @Hugh: Instead of punishing @Mendasp for showing you guys the way it's done you should swallow your pride and do everthing you can to keep this man on-board. You have to realize that he helped to bring NS2 development to a whole new level.
Maybe @Mendasp talked in a way you didn't like (just speculating here). Maybe you think he is not a team player. I don't care. But I am pretty sure that you need @Mendasp on board for this to work.
I don't think I can express how much all the support I'm getting means to me. It is very hard to put into words.
This is kind of the reason I put so many hours into this. Implementing something, releasing it and seeing people enjoy it is a feeling hard to describe. So imagine that multiplied a few thousand times which is how I'm feeling right now after reading all your posts.
I can't thank you guys enough for the support. It means the world to me that my work has had such a positive impact on this community. I take away a lot of good things from all of this.
I also left hibernation mode in this forum for now. Just to thank you mendasp. I did send you some coins via your donation link on your twitch page. To at least value some of your work and the effort you put in it.
I and i think most of the people here would love it too see you coming back. You did it for the community, the community is not the reason you leave us. So please just take a break of some weeks and come back to us. Do the modding on your own for you and for us and don't care so much what UWE is doing or did. Don't get me wrong you have every reason to be frustrated, its totally reasonable. But its the past, nothing somebody can change anymore. UWE said sorry, what else could they do?
Requesting that UWE should send money over for what you did, as stated by some people here, is wrong in my opinion. NS2 was a community project, it was an experiment. A lot of people invested their free time into it. They all knew that they cant expect any revenue from it, even if other people piss you off, directly or indirectly for what you do. Other people invested money into the dream of having another Natural Selection. And hell yeah did we(UWE + community) make it.
UWE employees do game development for their living, full time and i don't think that their income per person exceeds the average income of the workforce in the forum. So why should they pay? Everybody who likes what Mendasp did, support him directly! Yes its our job, the community job, to support the people who make great things for us. No matter if they are called mendasp or UWE or $maker.
Requesting that UWE should send money over for what you did, as stated by some people here, is wrong in my opinion.
Everybody who likes what Mendasp did, support him directly! Yes its our job, the community job, to support the people who make great things for us.
I agree. I think that Mendasp could take this very thread and NS2+ and just walk into any job in the gaming industry. What a wonderful piece to add to his portfolio, and the support shown here by everyone would make very few employers think twice before hiring him.
UWE must have won a lifelong supply of combustive agent and lighters...they constantly try to burn bridges. I have no other explanation for their community handling skills.
Thanks for all your work. It's always good when someone who loves to play the game makes changes that matter, rather than someone whose job is to "change stuff"
Thank you for making NS2 the game we've come to know and love.
FYI: This development and the behind-your-back-stuff has made it into the news section of a large german gaming magazine - the force is with you, @Mendasp
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
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This thread is beyond awesome, because Mendasp if finally out of my life
Hehehehe I keed, I keed... He's still hanging around, it totally sucks this had to happen.
But I mean it's just so cool seeing all these oldschool peeps showing up just to show their appreciation to the lad! Someone mentioned this thread could be added to his resume, indeed it could
@mendasp, the amount of enjoyment you've added to ns2 for me can be measured in the many hundreds, if not thousands of hours at this point. Look at all these vets coming from out of the woodwork to show their support. Really says something considering how quiet it is around here. I've said it before and will say it again, servers without ns2+ are unplayable for me anymore. Once you've tasted the sweet nectar of potential unlocked (read the way it should have been), there's no going back. It's a shame that there's not even any sort of recognition on UWE's behalf for all the work you've done with map maintenance, as well as all the QOL increasements from ns2+ that have been imported into vanilla (a good chunk of content imo). It's understandable your "leaving," as you don't play the game anymore. Your continuing maintenance of ns2+ has been/will be appreciated and your bitingly hilarious comments will be missed.
Mendasp, I think we all know they going to drop NS2 again after about a year. You might as well take a break for a bit and come back next year as the savior of NS2, risen from the dead.
Other than performance improvements your constant NS2+ updates and ultimate patches where the things I most looked forward to every update. Yours had the biggest impact on actual everyday game play.
Many of you have heard me say this many times in game: The best thing UWE did for ns2 was abandon it because it let the CDT come in and finally fix it.
The CDT was the greatest thing to happen to NS2 and we will need you again in the future to clean up whatever mess UWE has in store for the game this time lol.
Wow, i never had an idea you were so deeply into it. Thanks for all the good times and those that are still to come. Atleast one can hope. Really no idea how and why UWE did miss that chance to talk. Also i agree they should just focus on gameplay development. If Carmack says it is more complicated then making rockets, then just maybe, MAYBE you should heed to that advice. 5% for Unreal 4 does not sound to bad.
Thanks Mendasp, no longer play due to the insane amounts of other good games out there but I don't think I'd have enjoyed it as much if not for the little (and not so little) touches that have been added.
Cannon_FodderAUSBrisbane, AUJoin Date: 2013-06-23Member: 185664Members, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
Hey good luck @Mendasp. NS2+ definately made the game easier to play for me. I am not online as much these days due to work committments. But it is sad to hear you go - I think you game me crap about my lack of skills with the cinematic tools (or was that SamusDroid?) lol.
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If this isn't an indicator of how out of touch with the community UWE is, then I don't know what is. Discarding and even Disrespecting a fucking LEGEND of community member as you are is a COMPLETE FAILURE (of UWE) in pretty much any terms, be it human/social or strategical/economical (the latter seemingly being the only one that interests UWE).
I am trying to get in the minds of UWE here, and really all I can think of is, that this is some kind of PERSONAL issue. @Mendasp, you showed UWE their shortcomings (not to say UWE is bad, just not perfect) by doing the work they could/should have done. It can be a hard pill to swallow that some random guy is doing something better than what you do for a living.
@Flayra, @Hugh: Instead of punishing @Mendasp for showing you guys the way it's done you should swallow your pride and do everthing you can to keep this man on-board. You have to realize that he helped to bring NS2 development to a whole new level.
Maybe @Mendasp talked in a way you didn't like (just speculating here). Maybe you think he is not a team player. I don't care. But I am pretty sure that you need @Mendasp on board for this to work.
For the love of god, MAKE IT WORK!
This is kind of the reason I put so many hours into this. Implementing something, releasing it and seeing people enjoy it is a feeling hard to describe. So imagine that multiplied a few thousand times which is how I'm feeling right now after reading all your posts.
I can't thank you guys enough for the support. It means the world to me that my work has had such a positive impact on this community. I take away a lot of good things from all of this.
Thank you.
I and i think most of the people here would love it too see you coming back. You did it for the community, the community is not the reason you leave us. So please just take a break of some weeks and come back to us. Do the modding on your own for you and for us and don't care so much what UWE is doing or did. Don't get me wrong you have every reason to be frustrated, its totally reasonable. But its the past, nothing somebody can change anymore. UWE said sorry, what else could they do?
Requesting that UWE should send money over for what you did, as stated by some people here, is wrong in my opinion. NS2 was a community project, it was an experiment. A lot of people invested their free time into it. They all knew that they cant expect any revenue from it, even if other people piss you off, directly or indirectly for what you do. Other people invested money into the dream of having another Natural Selection. And hell yeah did we(UWE + community) make it.
UWE employees do game development for their living, full time and i don't think that their income per person exceeds the average income of the workforce in the forum. So why should they pay? Everybody who likes what Mendasp did, support him directly! Yes its our job, the community job, to support the people who make great things for us. No matter if they are called mendasp or UWE or $maker.
I agree. I think that Mendasp could take this very thread and NS2+ and just walk into any job in the gaming industry. What a wonderful piece to add to his portfolio, and the support shown here by everyone would make very few employers think twice before hiring him.
The man. The myth. The programmer who saved NS2.
And the man who would somehow troll the sht out of everyone while doing it.
Sad to see you go man. Glad I had the chance to meet you in person. Hopefully you will be back soon...ish.
That's a lot of BS man, a lot of BS ... I mean Bitter Sadness of course.
Thanks for your dedication and commitment, we own you a bunch of hours of entertainment.
FYI: This development and the behind-your-back-stuff has made it into the news section of a large german gaming magazine - the force is with you, @Mendasp
Hehehehe I keed, I keed... He's still hanging around, it totally sucks this had to happen.
But I mean it's just so cool seeing all these oldschool peeps showing up just to show their appreciation to the lad! Someone mentioned this thread could be added to his resume, indeed it could
(I really want to find that match I casted where I couldn't say your damn name...)
It was great meeting you in Cologne. You're a damn funny guy and your work with this community has been exceptional. Competitive NS2 owes you big.
Join me and blind as we stalk the forums silently in the shadows. He brings cookies sometimes... I don't think he bakes them though...
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Drop some gifs on us every now and again?
Other than performance improvements your constant NS2+ updates and ultimate patches where the things I most looked forward to every update. Yours had the biggest impact on actual everyday game play.
Many of you have heard me say this many times in game: The best thing UWE did for ns2 was abandon it because it let the CDT come in and finally fix it.
The CDT was the greatest thing to happen to NS2 and we will need you again in the future to clean up whatever mess UWE has in store for the game this time lol.
PS: Set up a way to donate that's not using Paypal (does anyone even use Paypal?). I'd send some bling anytime.
This really is a community that you can never truly leave
Oldschool but not obsolete !
That @Mendasp - Terminator combo is just funny and scary as hell
Wouldn't have cared about the game for this long if it wasn't for NS2+. Cheers, mate. Hope your talents find their fiscal worth in the future.
Alan Snackbar.
NS/NS2 is basically the videogame that Necrons from Warhammer40k would play.
I know the reference but I don't get how it relates to NS.
All the best.
Cannon