Base-attached air pumps are here!
ShuryCZ
Czech Republic Join Date: 2015-07-07 Member: 206047Members
Czech Republic Join Date: 2015-07-07 Member: 206047Members
Hello community,
today I tried out the experimental and to my surprise, air pump has now two types.
Description in the constructor menu.
There is no specific area to place the pump (not sure if there are going to be "spots" to place it)
As you can see, the branching of pipes is possible!
I am excited for this neat feature. It gives you yet another option how to chart your surroundings. Of course, let's wait how it works in the stable version (this was creative).
What about you guys? Are you happy to see this expansion of pumps and pipes? Are you gonna use it? It is even necessary? Let me know and have a good day.
today I tried out the experimental and to my surprise, air pump has now two types.
Description in the constructor menu.
There is no specific area to place the pump (not sure if there are going to be "spots" to place it)
As you can see, the branching of pipes is possible!
I am excited for this neat feature. It gives you yet another option how to chart your surroundings. Of course, let's wait how it works in the stable version (this was creative).
What about you guys? Are you happy to see this expansion of pumps and pipes? Are you gonna use it? It is even necessary? Let me know and have a good day.
Comments
I have always hoped that pipes would be deployed as the primary way to get oxygen into your base.
This would not only promote realism/immersion (solving the currently ambiguous issue of where oxygen supply comes from) but it would also force the player to use pipes early on in the game and discover their usefulness.
I never used pipes at all during my first playthrough but had I known about them I would have used them to great effect!
Connecting bases via pipes would essentially create "highways" of oxygen supply which would improve and enhance the diving experience immensely (which I am sure this addition will do!)
While this addition is a welcome improvement ... I hope that pipes can be fleshed out as a bigger part of the game because they really have the potential to improve gameplay and game progression ...
Here is my take on expanding the functionality of pipes in the game:
And who knows ... these pipes could even be self-repairing/maintaining as long as they have sufficient power
maybe they will ad oxygen scrubbers
So a device that outputs about 100W of electrical energy is needed to provide enough oxygen (accounting for inefficiencies). Current solar panels output between 100W-365W according to Wikipedia, so it is entirely feasible to do this with today's technology, let alone the technology of the future.
However, pumping air from the surface would almost certainly require less power and the air atmosphere in the base would need nitrogen in for it to be breathable (which I haven't accounted for).
If you think that I have overthought this...
...you would be dead right.
Well, it's good someone has.
Do you think pumping oxygen would require more energy than producing it locally after a certain depth or pipe length has been reached? Perhaps like how BENSKI here suggested in his elaboration?
I mean that would certainly make pipes a feasible solution for early game bases/exploration. Especially if local oxygen production was to be a blueprint not available in the beginning.
I like the idea of tinkering an oxygen supply for your base. Some may think it's just extra work, but I like it. It would reify the fact that the player is indeed in an environment that is not inherent to his species, and that one actually has to workworkwork to acquire the essential elements for living there.
It seems like feasible solution to me after all, with the option to switch to more advanced filtration device later. Crimsontwilight and Reedsweker, those are good points indeed.
Imagine building a base below the great mushroom tree and then putting a pipe up into the cave system...
Hookah smoking caterpillar anyone?
This is awesome. A dream come true... really mermaid caterpillar stuff!
Upvote to you, good sir, for pointing this out. It's not unrealistic to think that the prefab base components, corridors and multipurpose rooms wouldn't be able to produce oxygen and an environment for players. The Aurora was a mining vessel, and they had to be able to set up bases and outposts for their workers to survive while mining in space or on planets with hostile environments. The base structures are likely able to extract whatever is available outside the environment and convert it to a breathable atmosphere, providing there is power to do this.
Another point for @crimsontwilight is the Water Filtration machine. It hooks up in the Multipurpose room to distill sea water into usable Salt and Water, but it doesn't connect at all to the outside. How does it get the water then? Because it pulls it from the connecting systems in the Multipurpose Room that is taking oxygen from the surrounding water!
Dreamers shall always trump the realists in my book.
Uhm, no. You can see that the water filtration requires a window-slot hookup. The outside of that is open to the water, and it would only need tiny holes or a filter to suck in some water for desalination.
As I was writing this i realise there are some parts which don't appear to make much sense (such as accelerating air to 500m/s), but the answers I get still seem sensible, so who knows. I'll get back to you in 3 years once I've finished my degree.
As established before, humans need 0.84kg of oxygen a day, equivalent to 0.00000972kg/s (0.84/(60*60*24). Since air is 23.3% oxygen (by mass) this is the same as 0.0000417kg/s of air (0.00000972*(100/23.3)).
Therefore the fan/air-pump must accelerate 0.0000417kg of air to a velocity equal to the depth m/s (if the base is 500m deep the air must be at 500m/s), this means that the required mass of oxygen reaches the bottom of the base every second.
The power required to do this = energy/time. The energy = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared. So the power required = 0.5*0.0000417*depth^2 Watts = 0.00002085 x depth squared.
Since the electrolysis of water (splitting water into oxygen and hydrogen) needed 86 watts (see previous post), we can work out when it becomes more efficient.
86 = 0.00002085 x depth^2
4124700 = depth^2
depth = 2030m
so at 2030m or deeper electrolysis is better than pipes, assuming 100% efficiency. However modern fans are lucky if they have 50%, meaning the pipes would need twice the power.
86 = 2 x 0.00002085 x depth^2
2062350 = depth^2
depth = 1436m
But this is all probably wrong. It was fun to try and work it out nontheless. If anyone has any other ideas I'd like to know.
I don't have a problem with oxygen being produced by the base, but what I don't like is that
1. generating oxygen has no effect on base power when it should be substantial (it requires a powered base but actually draws no power)
2. there is no tangible appliance (like the water filtration machine) that can be built to explicitly account for or manage oxygen generation
I also think it is worth noting that, in my mind, pipes and/or an oxygen generator would also account for the production of CO2 and pump it out of the base as O2 is pumped in ...
I don't quite agree with you. ~ 0.00005kg of air needs to enter your base every second but you're implying that the air you pump from the surface has to transverse the full length of the pipes to reach the base within 1 second ... which isn't necessary. As long as the pipe is full of air then 0.00005kg of air can be pumped into the base at one end of the pipe as another 0.00005kg of air is drawn from the atmosphere at the surface end of the pipe. The velocity required is therefore the same regardless of the depth.
What increases the energy requirement is actually the increase in the mass of air contained within the pipe which the fan/pump has to push through the pipes with greater force.
In theory, exterior water pressure placed on the pipes would also need to be accounted for ... but for me the explanation of "we have really strong materials in the future" is enough for me to ignore that issue.
It's more important, I think, that the increase in the power requirement (if added) is calibrated to suit the player experience (ie. reflecting the level of power capable of being feasibly produced by bases and only becoming too much of an energy investment once a certain, strategically chosen milestone/length of pipe is reached)
I was gonna say that...
...But not that.
With that in mind, one would only have to figure out how much power each individual unit would need depending on its overall size and shape/volume.
The interesting thing is figuring out just how powerful an air-pump would need to be at the surface, depending on how far down the air is to be forced through the length of pipe.
Thus each one would add to the total forced used?
That top side though, needs to be one helluva compressor. The advantage of this is that you just need to move the air one way. Carbon dioxide can just be dumped externally. The topside compressor could use a flexible and collapsible tube, and just cram air in until it reaches the bottom. I suppose that optimally, you would want stages, but the air would pretty much just be at a slightly higher pressure than the water to keep it moving down.
Or we can just again say screwit, and invoke the "gravity technology magic woowoo" clause and go with it?
Actually @Tarkannen I believe if you build a water filtration machine and then go outside you'll actually see the inlet on the outside of your MP room where it's taking in the water.
That is correct. Furthermore, there should be animation for the water intake, but is not there yet! I saw this one Trello card on production board, but cannot find it now.
And I have my opinion now - I like the pipe system so far! Totally on point from the beginning and in the later stage of the game. Love it!
I have the blueprint to create one (and have the necessary amount of Titanium), but no matter where I point the Habitat Builder on the outside of my base nothing happens.
Couldn't even get that to work.
The pre-build shadow-image doesn't even show up.