So Mack "Worthabuy" did a revisited review on Subnautica.
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THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY FORM OF MULTI-PLAYER INTERACTION IN THIS GAME.
Doesn't matter what he thinks it is "screaming out for".
All he is doing is perpetuating a total line of thinking that has been shot down by the creators of the game on so many occasions, that it is now becoming a meme of it's own.
Also, the rant about his feelings toward Controllers, really wasn't necessary in a GAME REVIEW video.
You want to express those kinda feelings, do it in a CONTROLLER REVIEW video.
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The rub of it is that it REEKS of laziness, which is my biggest peeve with comment threads asking for Coop and Multiplayer. It takes next to no time to look at Dev statements or check the forums to find out if they're doing anything with Multiplayer, find out that oh, no they're not, and oh, that's the reason why.
Like, have some goddamn standards.
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Mack takes great pride in telling it how he sees it, and he's not the first or the last who will want multiplayer. As frustrating as it is, this elephant isn't going to leave the room. Not ever.
Saying he wants multiplayer on his own video is nowhere near like spamming the forums, so don't pretend it is.
He knows what the devs have said, and I know he knows, for a fact, because I regularly watch his streams and I've told him myself (more like broke the news to him gently) they have no plans for multiplayer. That doesn't mean he doesn't still think it should have multiplayer. He's just disappointed.
Again, voicing his opinion in his own video on his own channel which he specifically has because he wants to give his opinion, and because many people value his opinion (or at least enjoy hearing it) is nothing like coming on the forums and complaining about it.
I don't know for sure, but I'd suspect the only reason he's not been on here complaining is because
1. He knows multiplayer won't happen so what's the point?
2. He has his own videos to voice his opinion, he doesn't need to come on here.
3. He's got better things to do and can't be arsed.
To quote the man himself, what the actual? Of course it is. The only better place for it would be here on the forums. You don't want him to talk about his feelings towards controllers when specifically talking about being frustrated having to use a controller when playing a game he otherwise really enjoys? He always mentions how he hates controllers, console ports, third person games, x-ray vision, low FOV, DLC, etc, etc, etc because these are the issues he runs into on a regular basis. His hatred runs deep and that's what's so awesome about him.
You have to understand that Mack is no ordinary reviewer. He caters for a very specific type of gamer. And you have to realise that Mack doesn't give a damn about what you or I or anyone thinks, he tells it like he sees it and that's his whole thing. He really appeals to jaded, middle aged men like me who are sick of all the crap in the gaming industry, and if he can complain about controllers, believe me he will. He's PC master race through and through, hates console peasants, and will make sure you know it. He's your grumpy old Granddad and you'd better get used to him because he won't change.
He's also a really lovely, genuinely funny (but not to all tastes) and highly entertaining man. I often, often disagree with the guy, and I know I'm coming across a little fanboy-like, but I feel you're being unfair to him.
If you're going to criticise him, at least criticise him for valid reasons. He's most definitely not lazy, he knows multiplayer won't be a thing, he's just voicing his (and many other people's) opinion.
If you actually knew anything about Mack, you'd know that he gave Subnautica some of his highest ever praise in his video. He said it was worth a buy, for God's sake. Not many games get that.
And he said "it's one of the most atmospheric games ever made".... that's the equivalent of Subnautica winning GotY and a million awards.
Anyway, just, before you judge, understand what you're judging and don't have a knee-jerk reaction.
Take it from a long time fan, this video, coming from WAB, is probably the best endorsement Subnautica will ever have.
The "screaming out for" is what clinched it for me. The phrasing he used made it sound like the devs CAN put Multiplayer in, they just don't, in defiance of what the fans want.
He could have phrased it like... "I know we'd all like multiplayer but the developers have noted that they can't put it in, more's the shame". Because it always boils down to this:
Player: There should be coop or competitive multiplayer.
Dev: We cannot put that in because [link explaining reason]
Player: But you don't understand, I really want it.
Other Player: But no they can't do that in the game's current form, they'd have to basically remake it from scratch.
Player: I don't think I'm making myself clear. I REALLLLLLLLY want it.
Were I him, I probably would have done one of the following things concerning Multiplayer.
Because right there, at the start, the way he talks about "Coop being an intended feature" is misinformation. While yes, the game was conceived of as a cooperative game, the devs realized their limitations and came up with the statement of they cannot put in coop.
He said that at this point of development they could put in coop-
Except NO THEY CANNOT! That's what gets me riled up! It's not possible without literally scrapping the game and the people asking for coop and multiplayer don't seem to understand this! He should be more responsible with this! He should be something halfway resembling responsible!
Yes, I'm happy for the plug, and glad that the game's getting exposure. But for fuck's sake he shouldn't put in false expectations! He shouldn't even be even entertaining it as a possibility! He shouldn't be putting the idea out! He should have, at most, said "Well shucks and gosh darn, looks like despite how I'd like it, they can't do it. Well it's a great single player game anyway-"
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned his views about guns in the game. For me personally, a simple speargun would suffice.
But the game is absolutely "screaming out" for co-op, in many people's eyes. Not mine, and I happen to disagree with him, but whatever. He's entitled to his opinion on his own video regardless.
All this complaining about people wanting multiplayer is becoming almost as annoying as people complaining there isn't multiplayer.
Sorry, but he doesn't owe you anything, including being responsible.
That's down to your interpretation I guess, but you may actually have a point. Perhaps he was speaking about the past, or present, it really isn't clear. I interpreted it as the past. But I don't know where he got his information, perhaps he read some long ago, outdated thing, I don't know. It wouldn't be the first time he made a mistake but this is just pure speculation.
It seemed obvious from "multiplayer isn't going to happen... at least from what I've read" that he understands the situation perfectly and isn't spreading any misinformation. It couldn't be clearer, he says very clearly, multiplayer won't happen.
If somebody watched his video and came away with the idea that it will be multiplayer, then they mustn't have been watching the same video I did.
Anyway, I think getting quite so irate about it isn't helping any situation. The fact is that the multiplayer issue isn't going away, so we have to get used to it.
I agree with him that games are not a place for making statements. They can be, but personally, I never care about the statement so it doesn't bother or affect me either way.
I do however like the non-gun approach Subnautica has taken, purely because it does make a very easy game a little bit harder. A speargun would be good, and realistic, for fishing and stuff. But whatever. I can respect the devs decisions even if I think it's nonsensical.
"But coop is a desired feature, the developers would like to put in this game"
Hmm, that is exactly what he said and it is simply not true... Or did I miss something... Also isn't multiplayer the same as coop, just with more players
O.o The developers would love to put co-op in. It's just not at this time feasible, and lot likely to ever be feasible. You have to live with reality, and make the right decisions, or you go belly-up, and no one wants that!
Alright, fair enuf. BUT Coop is still a form of mulitplayer dammit
On another note, the reason for "no guns" is a bit American in this case. I mean, the devs are American so the shooting hits close to home for them. But the thing is, they are creating a game for the international community and as a result this message of solidarity with that particular shooting is lost to the world populous for the most part. Not matter how well meant the idea is
BUT, from a game design standpoint I do believe not having guns in this game versus mostly melee creatures, does definitely add to the game's suspense and aids in the their design goal (disconnected from the "no guns" policy or message they're trying to get across). And we also do have those torpedo's soooo.
I'm more amazed there's no fishing. I mean what gives
You're absolutely correct, of course, but it does make me wonder about the perceptions we have.
When I hear "co-op" I think of sitting on the couch, playing on the same screen as my brother like this...
... but when I hear "multiplayer" I think of sneaking on to his WoW account and getting ganked online, like this...
4 player NES Wordcup o/
Maybe we will get Co-op in 5 years, but that all depends on how much post-launch support Subnautica receives. Most games are lucky to get even 2 years of support.
True, but...
While I might not agree that restricting gun use any further will help anything, I can certainly understand where this thought is coming from. However, to play devil's advocate, Subnautica is a perfect example of what restricting access to weapons ends up doing: putting innocent people (in this case, you as the sole survivor in Subnautica) in harm's way. The question everyone is up in arms about is whether restricting does more harm than good, or if it's the other way around (Obraxis Prime, remember?). I think restricting access to weapons does more harm than good -- how did Obraxis Prime even happen if everyone had access to weapons?! Was everyone sleeping? That's starting to go down the rabbit hole suited for another topic, though.
The developers think that access to weapons does more harm than good. *shrug* And I'm ok with that difference.
Quite.
NO..., we are not going to get Co-Op in SUBNAUTICA in 5 years, or in any other time frame you wish to imagine. (PERIOD)
Stop trying to put words in the Dev's mouths.
They have said innumerable times now that the way the base-game coding is set up,
IT IS NOT FEASIBLE...,
IT IS NOT PRACTICAL...,
and
IT IS NOT MONETARILY ADVISABLE to do so.
They have said in the past, that when they first were designing the game, they would have liked to have been able to achieve that goal, but it didn't work out that way.
That does not mean that they are considering in any way, shape or form, actually doing it at some time in the future.
If there ever is a Multi-Player Subnautica Game, it will be a COMPLETELY NEW GAME, designed from the ground up, to be a MULTIPLAYER Game.
I know some folks love to live on the bank of Denial River, but this is getting ridiculous.
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I guess the huge deal is, that while firearms are indeed a very terrifying weapon in dangerous hands, they are also one of the greatest defenses and deterrents to a dangerous person(s).
I used to find military rifles frightening. I grew up in South Korea in the 90s. Literally armed ROK military guards with M-16 rifles standing at the entrance to the expressway when tensions with the North were running high. Also, when we visited our American friends on US military bases, of course the US guards had M-16s as well.
I also used to find driving a motor vehicle frightening.
I am no longer afraid of firearms, or of driving motor vehicles. However, I am very cautious, respectful, and mindful when I'm around them (decidedly more so with the weapons, of course, although a vehicle in the wrong hands makes an almost equally terrifying weapon, see the Nice, France attack of 2016). The difference? In both cases, training. As a member of the USMC Reserves, I was taught how to safely handle a firearm. The reason I brought that up, is that I think a lot of the stigma people place on firearms is simply a lack of proper training as to their proper, safe handling, whether you actually use one or not.
Remember also, Sandy Hook was by law a firearm-free zone. There could be no defense; it was not lawfully allowed. If the entire nation had a firearms ban, and a twisted psycho with a weapon walked into Sandy Hook, precisely the same thing would have happened as what did happen. Or, you could end up with something like this.
If you could guarantee that humans would not take forceful advantage of each other through threat of violence, then you would not need firearms for defense. However, if you get to that point, you really don't need to ban them any more, do you? You would have eliminated the entire reason for weapons to exist, at least as far as human to human interaction is concerned.
Yes, I understand why we crush people who talk about multiplayer, because it's not going to be added and its not worth taking about. But I feel as though the line between wanting multiplayer and talking about it on the forums has become very blurred, next to not existing at all. I want multiplayer quite badly. I think it would add to the game in a lot of ways, but I don't talk about it because it would be a waste of my time since its never going to happen. I feel like a lot of us on the forums (and I mean long-term, OG people on the forums) still want multiplayer, but have just accepted it is never going to happen.
But Youtube's a whole other realm. He's allowed to say what he wants to say, and if he thinks the game would be better with qwop (even though he's read it won't be added) he can say that. We shouldn't annihilate him just for bringing it up.
I wish @Obraxis would see one of these threads, and bring down the hammer of the devs wishes, so that we wouldn't argue about it anymore.
Something like this...
Is this another multiplayer argument? It's about multiplayer, but it isn't about whether it should be added or not, just about how much it should be brought up... but it's about multiplayer so technically it is a multiplayer argument?
Either way, it's more civil than if a sheep was dropped in a pen of hungry tigers so I'm okay with it.
Yeah its another one of those Buffet-for-all ''Multi-gun-ImRightSoShutTheF***Up thread'' .....
Im one of those that likes a good debate but this topic has been debated too many times that we can count to, so wer going in circles here.
-The point he made about controllers I actually feel has bearing on the game. I don't have a VR capable setup so I haven't tinkered with it, but the complaint about having to use a controller might be specific to this game. Is there some limitation built into VR where you absolutely HAVE to use a controller? If not, if that was a design choice and not a universal limitation on VR, then I'm right there with him. I have zero desire to play any game on a controller. The keyboard and mouse are simply far superior in my eyes and I will never seriously play a game on controller again (the only cases I can think of in the past 15 years where I have is visiting relatives and my nieces and nephews want to play some kids game for a bit so I'll grab a controller to entertain them).
-Overall he seemed entertaining and I'm very happy he wasn't constantly doing camera filters and playing weird sounds. So annoying when folks making videos do that. I also really liked that he tried to show as much of the gameplay as he could while keeping it as spoiler free as possible. He seemed very conscientious about that. While I didn't agree with him on everything, he gets a thumbs up from me.
What controllers could really, really use is an easy way to switch sensitivity settings on the fly, like most gaming mice (which are already extremely accurate even without this) have.