wow this thread has some of the coolest prays i've seen! the gestating one is great, along with the cloaked fade is nice! i really like the weldable too, since it would catche alot of people. I like the idea of a fake vent, that would be cool. and about animated sprays, use wally... i thinks it [url]http://www.telefragged.com/wally [/url].
By your same definition, the whole of Natural Selection is a cheat!! You are cheated by the fact that Natural Selection is trying to deceive you into thinking that what you see on your screen is actually 3-dimensional. You are cheated into thinking that you are a marine or skulk! The list goes on....
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That is also the base definition of the word, anyone with an I.Q. bigger than their shoe size knows that the word cheat as it relates to video games has very little to do with trickery as it does gaining an upperhand by finding holes in the system.
now, by the same token, this could be considered finding a hole in the system (the reason it's even being argued over). But at the end of the day, it's all a matter of whether the game rules/story are flexible enough to make the hole a plausible scenario if the system were in fact a real-world experience.
If I were to follow your verbatim definition of the word cheat then you would obviously classify a trick I used to use in Counter-Strike as a cheat, the trick was this.....
I would empty the clip on a pistol first thing and not buy any replacement ammo. When I KNEW that someone was within audible distance of me I would switch to the pistol and press attack (letting out a loud *CLICK*) then immediately switch back to my primary gun (usually an aug). By your definition of the word cheating this would be a definite cheat with no discussion, but we all KNOW it isn't, because a REAL person could REALLY do that.
*sigh* Why are people complaining about this? Do they think its going to make the game worse? Seriously, I'm want to know. What have you got against this?
You can tell who's smart enough to know better, and who got pwned over and over by a spray. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Because of course, we're all going to use these *gasp!* CHEAT sprays and then block client downloads so we won't be fooled by our own tricks.
NO!
It's funny, and whether or not it distracts or gets enemies killed doesn't matter as much. I'm pretty sure that everyone posting examples of these *gasp!* CHEAT sprays would love nothing more than to be fooled into attacking someone else's ingenious hologram. It's not like the game's outcome will turn on one or two deaths anyway.
Anyway, I don't think it's possible to swap decals mid-game unless you quit the server. Mapchanges or F4 won't work, because you only download other decals when you join the game or when others join. Even between maps, it figures you already have the right logo for everyone, and doesn't bother checking for updates.
<!--QuoteBegin--SmokeNova+Jan 15 2003, 07:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SmokeNova @ Jan 15 2003, 07:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If Flayra doesn't want us to use custom sprays that can fool people (and only a few WILL be fooled) he can just lock the pldecal.wad so it can't be changed....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The thing is, this might happen. This is an all-time low, posting on the NS forums for sprays to fake people out. You can argue that any advantages are legal, but I doubt this would fly in a match. Myg0t encourages heavy use of ladder and T/CT sprays to fool people into revealing their position in CS. Nice to see where you rank in the world, eh?
I like making a unique signature with a spray, or something funny. But locking the pldecal.wad file doesn't sound like such a bad idea now.
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Edit: To those that say, "OMG DISABLE SPRAYS NUB!", I happen to enjoy seeing a clever or well-made custom spray. Especially in clan scrims, where there is a spray show-off fest before the game begins, and some of those sprays are really, really well done. Why should I have to turn them off because you try to trick me into firing at a wall? Sure, I might only squeeze off two rounds (try being a LA/LMG marine, alone in infested territory...that trigger finger gets itchy), but it's plenty enough to give my position away. I don't want to go through a match wondering if I should fire at that alien or not, because some lamer is spraying this on the walls. As was said once earlier, if you think that it's for laughs, then why try to get it as realistic as possible? If only an idiot will fall for it, why suggest putting certain sprays in dark corners only, and certain sprays on lighted areas? You're doing this to gain an advantage over the other team. Be honest about it. If that's the only way you can do so, then so be it. But don't lie to yourself. Oh, and as far as the "Empty clip" trick in CS, I don't find these comparable. I WOULD find using a crouching T/CT spray in CS comparable, however.
<!--QuoteBegin--uranium - 235+Jan 15 2003, 11:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uranium - 235 @ Jan 15 2003, 11:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Animated sprays? Since when?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Animated sprays are a more recent addition to Half-Life. You only get 10 frames, and it locks on the last frame. I've only seen it once...a closed eye that pops open on its last frame. Small, but eery indeed.
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<!--QuoteBegin--ShaneThePain+Jan 16 2003, 05:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ShaneThePain @ Jan 16 2003, 05:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->sprays were put into half-life by valve. valve INTENTIONALLY made it so people could have custom sprays. THEY INTENTIONALLY put in counter-measures (decal cvars) therefore. valve has INTENTIONALLY givin players the right to put ANY spray they want. as long as the server permits it. im sorry, if the EULA doesent forbid it then its completely fine. I use custom sprays for fun. and my CD-Key is Valid. I have not broken the EULA. Custom Spray = legal.
actually im sure that flayra could change that but thats implied already.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Whose 'law' determines what can be classified as a spray or not?
If I get fooled by someone else's fake spray, and end up getting eaten by a skulk or shot by a marine, I just think 'good on them'.
I don't think they should be used in clan matches, but if you're in a clan match, the rules are set from the start. On public servers, anything goes, and if you don't agree with the admin of the server you should go play somewhere else.
This fear of sprays is getting sort of ridiculous now.
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>PH33R MY HAXOR SPRAY!! </span> LOL
<!--QuoteBegin--H'BNayr+Jan 16 2003, 05:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (H'BNayr @ Jan 16 2003, 05:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--uranium - 235+Jan 15 2003, 11:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uranium - 235 @ Jan 15 2003, 11:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Animated sprays? Since when?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Animated sprays are a more recent addition to Half-Life.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They are as recent as color sprays...
This whole cheating spray thing is stupid, just so god damn stoopid.
Its turned into nothing but a god damn flame fest.
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And incidentally, Valve never intended anyone to have a colour spray, or one bigger than 64x64. That's why it wasn't like, done or anything. That's why Wally exists.
And a monochrome, 64x64 ladder or skulk wouldn't fool anyone.
<!--QuoteBegin--uranium - 235+Jan 16 2003, 06:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uranium - 235 @ Jan 16 2003, 06:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh and is it possible to change what spray you use in-game? Like if I alt-tab and switch my pdecals, will it take effect in-game? Would be nice to make a little army of fades and skulks.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> no, you upload your spray once, while connecting.
<!--QuoteBegin--H'BNayr+Jan 16 2003, 08:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (H'BNayr @ Jan 16 2003, 08:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But locking the pldecal.wad file doesn't sound like such a bad idea now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Edit: To those that say, "OMG DISABLE SPRAYS NUB!", I happen to enjoy seeing a clever or well-made custom spray.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What irony.
Maybe he enjoys seeing sprays, but if people start abusing it he would like to see it locked... is that more clear for you? Or shall I fax you a letter?
how about a spray of a corridor on the wall? that would be so funny! lol watching them people trying to go down the corridor..would only work on n00bs though i suppose <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
but no...really...this isnt an idea that should be used...it just popped into my head..
<!--QuoteBegin--H'BNayr+Jan 16 2003, 08:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (H'BNayr @ Jan 16 2003, 08:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--uranium - 235+Jan 15 2003, 11:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uranium - 235 @ Jan 15 2003, 11:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Animated sprays? Since when?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Animated sprays are a more recent addition to Half-Life. You only get 10 frames, and it locks on the last frame. I've only seen it once...a closed eye that pops open on its last frame. Small, but eery indeed.
-Ryan!
It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value. -- Arthur C. Clarke<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Color sprays are limited by a lot of weird engine rules. stuff like divisable by 16, 256 colors with 1 mandatory transparent pixel. Can't be over a certain total size, and probably a few more than I forgot.
The limit with animated sprays is the size issue. Those 10 or whatever frames has to be equal to or less than the standard max pixels. So naturally, it has to be 10 times smaller. So all you end up with is a small face with an eye opening or something. plus it only plays once through, so you don't even see the animation unless your there when its sprayed. and its very quick. first time I saw it I wasn't sure if I really saw it, because by the time the guy stepped out of the way he was already locked onto the final frame.
Just get yourself a cool static spray. edit: like put a CS L337 krew spray in NS, see how many CS addicts instincfully shoot at him.
If you are fooled by a ladder or a fake corridor spray, then you really do not know the map at all. If someone sprayed a fake ladder on a box in CS or NS, and someone actually was stupid enough to try to go up it, he is either completely lost and doesn't know the map at all, or is so dense, that he would not have made a difference at all even if the spray wasn't there. Likewise, you might be fooled for a second. You might empty out a whole clip on a spray. But you'll start recognizing it real fast. Badly rendered skulks that have lighting that are obviously out of place, and which stay completely still and look 2D when you move back and forth will NOT help anyone win the game. It might even make it worse, since all you want to do is just sit there and watch your spray and hope someone is **** enough to just stand there, empty a clip, stare at the wall thinking, "WTF??!?", while you proceed to fall off your chair laughing. Sprays are there just for fun and amusement, and a sorta "I pwned j00" statement when you kill someone. There are commands to limit the time a spray stays on the wall, or disable it altogether. You can set the sprays to stay on for 10 seconds for you to marvel at, and then disappear. As for the porn sprays, I don't know about you, but I really would rather have a fake cloaking fade, then a porno spray. You'd figure that a porno one would be MORE distracting and offensive. Not to mention that I have two little brothers who watch me play sometimes and pornographic images are NOT appropriate for them to be looking at, which would be the situation for a lot of people here on these boards.
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MeOnCrack: yes, they're a very temporary distraction. But sometimes that split second of indecision can be decisive. A marine turns to a wall to hit a fake button spray; the skulk drops behind him while he's distracted. Yes, the same thing can happen with a real button, but the real buttons don't give you the half second of "wtf" when they don't work.
More severe, IMO, are the fake player and fake weldable sprays. First, the weldable - it takes a LONG time to pull out a welder. The total time a marine is distracted is the time it takes to draw the welder, point it at the icon, and figure out it's not working. Not only that, but he's deprived of his primary weapon that whole time - nearly 2 seconds, I'd wager.
The fake player spray is a similar problem. Yes, you'll quickly realize it's not real, but you may pump a bullet or two into it before that. Then what do you do? No threat nearby, you reload your weapon. And while you're reloading, the tagger drops from the ceiling/leaps out of his corner and shreds your legs.
You can argue that the people who fall for fake sprays are "noobs" or stupid or don't know the map... it doesn't mean you're abusing HL's sprays to take advantage of those players.
Yes, HL sprays are "part of the game" - it's not a hack in the sense of an aimbot, or an exploit in the sense of the skinhack. But IMO, using something external to the game (importing your own custom spray) to deceive other players is still exploitive. Deceptive sprays are as much "fair play," in my opinion, as full-bright or spiked custom models. Custom models and sprays are fun... being taken advantage of by someone abusing them is not.
That they can be considered having an effect at all is what makes them a cheat, simply because not everybody has them at the start of the game.
As a general rule of thumb, anything added from outside of what the developer provided you with that gives you an advantage against other players is technically a cheat.
You can disagree with that, but understand as you do so that you disagree with the very definition of what a cheat is.
If Flayra wanted us to have decoys in the game, he would have added them.
Remember, this is game, not a war. Only certain things are fair in a game, while all is fair in love and war.
That said though, sprays aren't much of a cheat. I play in 3D stereographic mode - I can tell the difference. I don't believe in mysteriously appearing ladders and doors either.
<!--QuoteBegin--AcKz+Jan 17 2003, 06:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AcKz @ Jan 17 2003, 06:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Maybe he enjoys seeing sprays, but if people start abusing it he would like to see it locked... is that more clear for you? Or shall I fax you a letter?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--H'BNayr+Jan 16 2003, 08:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (H'BNayr @ Jan 16 2003, 08:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But locking the pldecal.wad file doesn't sound like such a bad idea now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Edit: To those that say, "OMG DISABLE SPRAYS NUB!", I happen to enjoy seeing a clever or well-made custom spray.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What irony.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Um, perhaps I should make this easier for YOU to understand. He likes original sprays, but only ones that he approves of. Now, either he can turn them off and let everyone else enjoy their sprays, or he can leave them on and risk being confused. There's no reason that his opinion should be forced on everyone just because HE (which could also refer to any other player) may find it confusing. In other words, he ALREADY has the <b>choice</b> to disable custom sprays. It's <b><span style='color:red'>HIS</span> CHOICE</b>. However, he can't have it both ways. He either HAS custom sprays which MAY LOOK LIKE IN-GAME OBJECTS or he DOESN'T HAVE them.
There is NO way except a living, breathing adminstrator with rules to allow custom sprays but only ones that don't look like game objects.
SO, learn to MAKE A DECISION.
Once again, an exploit that YOU control can't be used against you (unless you are a moron).
<!--QuoteBegin--Error404:+Jan 17 2003, 03:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Error404: @ Jan 17 2003, 03:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you look back in the annuals of history, you'll find that armies have, and still do use decoys to fool the enemy.
Its a viable tactic in war to use cardboard cut outs of tanks etc. Not saying that a spray should be used in the same way, more like a joke really...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You forgot the best example... June 6th, 1944, decoys were used to draw attention from a little stretch of land known as Omaha Beach.
<!--QuoteBegin--Error404:+Jan 17 2003, 10:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Error404: @ Jan 17 2003, 10:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What we really need is probably a poll on this! shame the poll function doesn't work, I think we're likely to find people 50/50 on this.
I actually think it <b>would</b> be a good idea if the decoy spray could somehow be implemented into the actual gameplay.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'd never go so far as to ask for it to become part of the game.
Right now I'm actually a bit disappointed that I've never seen any sprays like this in the months NS has been released. Without actually being on an opposing team and seeing one of these targets, I don't know how effective they may be. All of these things being represented, including the buttons, have a 3-d structure to them and the slightest amount of turning or movement can reveal they're false. The only one I can think of that's truly deceptive is the skulk, because it can be hidden in a dark spot. Someone that's moving carefully will certainly see the decoy, but I don't know how easy it is to be fooled.
Has anyone actually come up against these in a game, and were you fooled by it?
<!--QuoteBegin--Ahnteis+Jan 17 2003, 05:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ahnteis @ Jan 17 2003, 05:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Um, perhaps I should make this easier for YOU to understand. He likes original sprays, but only ones that he approves of...
Once again, an exploit that YOU control can't be used against you (unless you are a moron).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Perhaps I was a little vague. It's not whether or not I approve of them, it's the intent behind using them. Most people using custom sprays that I know online use them because they look good, or are humorous, or are just awesome. The intent behind these sprays is to trick some "n00b" from the other team. Take advantage of their distraction. I'm not here to judge sprays. There is no court that each spray has to pass through before it is allowed. If you use a spray to try and get an advantage over others, than I think your motive speaks loud enough, and THAT is an attitude I can't imagine seeing in an ideal society. Granted, we DON'T live in an ideal society, but I like to believe in the inherent goodness of an individual. Call me an idealistic moron, I guess.
I've seen many great custom sprays on servers (Got Parasite?), but when I see people using that to try and get an advantage over others, however small, I would rather see it be removed for everyone. The abuse of a few ruins the features of many. But until it IS removed for all, I'm leaving my sprays on, in anticipation of seeing someone come up with a spray more clever than a gestating egg. Because they ARE out there.
Come to think of it, come up with a funny enough spray, and it will keep me distracted FAR longer than a flat, non-moving skulk. Why not focus your energy towards THAT instead?
-Ryan!
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now, by the same token, this could be considered finding a hole in the system (the reason it's even being argued over). But at the end of the day, it's all a matter of whether the game rules/story are flexible enough to make the hole a plausible scenario if the system were in fact a real-world experience.
If I were to follow your verbatim definition of the word cheat then you would obviously classify a trick I used to use in Counter-Strike as a cheat, the trick was this.....
I would empty the clip on a pistol first thing and not buy any replacement ammo. When I KNEW that someone was within audible distance of me I would switch to the pistol and press attack (letting out a loud *CLICK*) then immediately switch back to my primary gun (usually an aug).
By your definition of the word cheating this would be a definite cheat with no discussion, but we all KNOW it isn't, because a REAL person could REALLY do that.
Why are people complaining about this? Do they think its going to make the game worse?
Seriously, I'm want to know. What have you got against this?
NO!
It's funny, and whether or not it distracts or gets enemies killed doesn't matter as much. I'm pretty sure that everyone posting examples of these *gasp!* CHEAT sprays would love nothing more than to be fooled into attacking someone else's ingenious hologram. It's not like the game's outcome will turn on one or two deaths anyway.
Anyway, I don't think it's possible to swap decals mid-game unless you quit the server. Mapchanges or F4 won't work, because you only download other decals when you join the game or when others join. Even between maps, it figures you already have the right logo for everyone, and doesn't bother checking for updates.
er .. wait .. I didn't mean to get off my spamming rutine
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The thing is, this might happen. This is an all-time low, posting on the NS forums for sprays to fake people out. You can argue that any advantages are legal, but I doubt this would fly in a match. Myg0t encourages heavy use of ladder and T/CT sprays to fool people into revealing their position in CS. Nice to see where you rank in the world, eh?
I like making a unique signature with a spray, or something funny. But locking the pldecal.wad file doesn't sound like such a bad idea now.
-Ryan!
It is not worth an intelligent man's time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
-- G. H. Hardy
Edit: To those that say, "OMG DISABLE SPRAYS NUB!", I happen to enjoy seeing a clever or well-made custom spray. Especially in clan scrims, where there is a spray show-off fest before the game begins, and some of those sprays are really, really well done. Why should I have to turn them off because you try to trick me into firing at a wall? Sure, I might only squeeze off two rounds (try being a LA/LMG marine, alone in infested territory...that trigger finger gets itchy), but it's plenty enough to give my position away. I don't want to go through a match wondering if I should fire at that alien or not, because some lamer is spraying this on the walls. As was said once earlier, if you think that it's for laughs, then why try to get it as realistic as possible? If only an idiot will fall for it, why suggest putting certain sprays in dark corners only, and certain sprays on lighted areas? You're doing this to gain an advantage over the other team. Be honest about it. If that's the only way you can do so, then so be it. But don't lie to yourself. Oh, and as far as the "Empty clip" trick in CS, I don't find these comparable. I WOULD find using a crouching T/CT spray in CS comparable, however.
Animated sprays are a more recent addition to Half-Life. You only get 10 frames, and it locks on the last frame. I've only seen it once...a closed eye that pops open on its last frame. Small, but eery indeed.
-Ryan!
It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value.
-- Arthur C. Clarke
actually im sure that flayra could change that but thats implied already.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whose 'law' determines what can be classified as a spray or not?
If I get fooled by someone else's fake spray, and end up getting eaten by a skulk or shot by a marine, I just think 'good on them'.
I don't think they should be used in clan matches, but if you're in a clan match, the rules are set from the start. On public servers, anything goes, and if you don't agree with the admin of the server you should go play somewhere else.
This fear of sprays is getting sort of ridiculous now.
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>PH33R MY HAXOR SPRAY!! </span> LOL
Animated sprays are a more recent addition to Half-Life.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They are as recent as color sprays...
This whole cheating spray thing is stupid, just so god damn stoopid.
Its turned into nothing but a god damn flame fest.
And a monochrome, 64x64 ladder or skulk wouldn't fool anyone.
no, you upload your spray once, while connecting.
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What irony.
that would be so funny! lol
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but no...really...this isnt an idea that should be used...it just popped into my head..
Animated sprays are a more recent addition to Half-Life. You only get 10 frames, and it locks on the last frame. I've only seen it once...a closed eye that pops open on its last frame. Small, but eery indeed.
-Ryan!
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Color sprays are limited by a lot of weird engine rules. stuff like divisable by 16, 256 colors with 1 mandatory transparent pixel. Can't be over a certain total size, and probably a few more than I forgot.
The limit with animated sprays is the size issue. Those 10 or whatever frames has to be equal to or less than the standard max pixels. So naturally, it has to be 10 times smaller. So all you end up with is a small face with an eye opening or something. plus it only plays once through, so you don't even see the animation unless your there when its sprayed. and its very quick. first time I saw it I wasn't sure if I really saw it, because by the time the guy stepped out of the way he was already locked onto the final frame.
Just get yourself a cool static spray. edit: like put a CS L337 krew spray in NS, see how many CS addicts instincfully shoot at him.
More severe, IMO, are the fake player and fake weldable sprays. First, the weldable - it takes a LONG time to pull out a welder. The total time a marine is distracted is the time it takes to draw the welder, point it at the icon, and figure out it's not working. Not only that, but he's deprived of his primary weapon that whole time - nearly 2 seconds, I'd wager.
The fake player spray is a similar problem. Yes, you'll quickly realize it's not real, but you may pump a bullet or two into it before that. Then what do you do? No threat nearby, you reload your weapon. And while you're reloading, the tagger drops from the ceiling/leaps out of his corner and shreds your legs.
You can argue that the people who fall for fake sprays are "noobs" or stupid or don't know the map... it doesn't mean you're abusing HL's sprays to take advantage of those players.
Yes, HL sprays are "part of the game" - it's not a hack in the sense of an aimbot, or an exploit in the sense of the skinhack. But IMO, using something external to the game (importing your own custom spray) to deceive other players is still exploitive. Deceptive sprays are as much "fair play," in my opinion, as full-bright or spiked custom models. Custom models and sprays are fun... being taken advantage of by someone abusing them is not.
Its a viable tactic in war to use cardboard cut outs of tanks etc. Not saying that a spray should be used in the same way, more like a joke really...
As a general rule of thumb, anything added from outside of what the developer provided you with that gives you an advantage against other players is technically a cheat.
You can disagree with that, but understand as you do so that you disagree with the very definition of what a cheat is.
If Flayra wanted us to have decoys in the game, he would have added them.
Remember, this is game, not a war. Only certain things are fair in a game, while all is fair in love and war.
That said though, sprays aren't much of a cheat. I play in 3D stereographic mode - I can tell the difference. I don't believe in mysteriously appearing ladders and doors either.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--H'BNayr+Jan 16 2003, 08:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (H'BNayr @ Jan 16 2003, 08:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But locking the pldecal.wad file doesn't sound like such a bad idea now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Edit: To those that say, "OMG DISABLE SPRAYS NUB!", I happen to enjoy seeing a clever or well-made custom spray.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What irony.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Um, perhaps I should make this easier for YOU to understand. He likes original sprays, but only ones that he approves of. Now, either he can turn them off and let everyone else enjoy their sprays, or he can leave them on and risk being confused. There's no reason that his opinion should be forced on everyone just because HE (which could also refer to any other player) may find it confusing. In other words, he ALREADY has the <b>choice</b> to disable custom sprays. It's <b><span style='color:red'>HIS</span> CHOICE</b>. However, he can't have it both ways. He either HAS custom sprays which MAY LOOK LIKE IN-GAME OBJECTS or he DOESN'T HAVE them.
There is NO way except a living, breathing adminstrator with rules to allow custom sprays but only ones that don't look like game objects.
SO, learn to MAKE A DECISION.
Once again, an exploit that YOU control can't be used against you (unless you are a moron).
I actually think it <b>would</b> be a good idea if the decoy spray could somehow be implemented into the actual gameplay.
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You forgot the best example... June 6th, 1944, decoys were used to draw attention from a little stretch of land known as Omaha Beach.
I actually think it <b>would</b> be a good idea if the decoy spray could somehow be implemented into the actual gameplay.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd never go so far as to ask for it to become part of the game.
Right now I'm actually a bit disappointed that I've never seen any sprays like this in the months NS has been released. Without actually being on an opposing team and seeing one of these targets, I don't know how effective they may be. All of these things being represented, including the buttons, have a 3-d structure to them and the slightest amount of turning or movement can reveal they're false. The only one I can think of that's truly deceptive is the skulk, because it can be hidden in a dark spot. Someone that's moving carefully will certainly see the decoy, but I don't know how easy it is to be fooled.
Has anyone actually come up against these in a game, and were you fooled by it?
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Perhaps I was a little vague. It's not whether or not I approve of them, it's the intent behind using them. Most people using custom sprays that I know online use them because they look good, or are humorous, or are just awesome. The intent behind these sprays is to trick some "n00b" from the other team. Take advantage of their distraction. I'm not here to judge sprays. There is no court that each spray has to pass through before it is allowed. If you use a spray to try and get an advantage over others, than I think your motive speaks loud enough, and THAT is an attitude I can't imagine seeing in an ideal society. Granted, we DON'T live in an ideal society, but I like to believe in the inherent goodness of an individual. Call me an idealistic moron, I guess.
I've seen many great custom sprays on servers (Got Parasite?), but when I see people using that to try and get an advantage over others, however small, I would rather see it be removed for everyone. The abuse of a few ruins the features of many. But until it IS removed for all, I'm leaving my sprays on, in anticipation of seeing someone come up with a spray more clever than a gestating egg. Because they ARE out there.
Come to think of it, come up with a funny enough spray, and it will keep me distracted FAR longer than a flat, non-moving skulk. Why not focus your energy towards THAT instead?
-Ryan!
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