Well.....
SiDSquishy
Join Date: 2003-10-15 Member: 21704Members
Join Date: 2003-10-15 Member: 21704Members
Theres been a lot of posts about the clan scene dying and such. There has been even more arguing over why, finger pointing, and bitching.
I have yet to hear a decent solution so........... I made my own
Get 3-4 people who know ns in and out. Im talking knowing the game as well as any of the top 50 players nowadays. (Theres probably around 150 of those type people so maybe I can find 4 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->) At least one of them has to be clanless so they can form a clan.
Then these 4 recruit purely pubbers. Play with them for 1 full preseason and season of cal. Kick em out. They're now done with the program.
Recruit a whole new batch of pubbers.
Repeat.
Basically the point is recruit willing people with time who either are no good or can't/haven't joined a clan for another reason and make them desirable to other clans. Then to release them upon the community to join new clans as they can.
I suspect that a team tutored by higher end players would do very well in omega every season even with winning not being the goal.
Both evil and dn` got to the point they did by initially being taught by top players. Those are the only 2 times i've seen this happen to the degree I mean and both of those teams made it to the top of clan play.
I can get ns server time. I have ventrillo. I can make an irc channel easily enough. And I suspect if I tried I could recruit some tutors.
There would be none of the drama you see in the clan scene now. Winning would be secondary. Any player causing problems is booted. This would be a service to the community.
There would not need to be a player cap. If a whole bunch of people are active we can always just have them scrim eachother.
What do you guys think?
I have yet to hear a decent solution so........... I made my own
Get 3-4 people who know ns in and out. Im talking knowing the game as well as any of the top 50 players nowadays. (Theres probably around 150 of those type people so maybe I can find 4 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->) At least one of them has to be clanless so they can form a clan.
Then these 4 recruit purely pubbers. Play with them for 1 full preseason and season of cal. Kick em out. They're now done with the program.
Recruit a whole new batch of pubbers.
Repeat.
Basically the point is recruit willing people with time who either are no good or can't/haven't joined a clan for another reason and make them desirable to other clans. Then to release them upon the community to join new clans as they can.
I suspect that a team tutored by higher end players would do very well in omega every season even with winning not being the goal.
Both evil and dn` got to the point they did by initially being taught by top players. Those are the only 2 times i've seen this happen to the degree I mean and both of those teams made it to the top of clan play.
I can get ns server time. I have ventrillo. I can make an irc channel easily enough. And I suspect if I tried I could recruit some tutors.
There would be none of the drama you see in the clan scene now. Winning would be secondary. Any player causing problems is booted. This would be a service to the community.
There would not need to be a player cap. If a whole bunch of people are active we can always just have them scrim eachother.
What do you guys think?
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and it would take EXCEPTIONALLY long, just for 4 people? Hell it's hard to find one person that actually wants to learn the game and play it profesionally and competitively.
<span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span>
#cri has been taking in pubbers and making them good since #cri first formed.
OSS has also had some VERY good players go through it's ranks as well.
In fact, both of these clans, both very old, continue to recruit new players from pubs every once in awhile and continue to make them good.
Also both these clans continue to do well in competetive play.
But still, man both dn' or evil never took 'pubbers' and made them good like you suggest in your original post. They may have started off as pubbers, but everyone starts off as pubbers.
Neither dn' nor evil took in pubbers under their wing to train them. So, yeah I have no clue what you are talking about.
he means both Evil and Dn became as good as they are now because top clanners taught them...
not that they taught other people (i'm not saying they aren't helpful nice people, but thats not what this is about)
Pure skill shows after less than a 3 weeks, if someone isn't great after one year forget making him a pro.
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Based on what?
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Actually everyone is different in the skill aspect so you never know.
Also if they have 30 fps and 1 year later upgrade to 100 fps I'd say there is still plenty of room for improvement.
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You misread something.
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? dn was a pub clan until X/0 and Red helpd us out. Evil was a pub clan until dn` helpd them out.
Every player on both sides came from their home pub. D&S and Evil pub.
EVERY PLAYER on both teams were pubbers
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What does that have to do with anything? None of the people we would recruit would know the game in and out.
The only difficulty I see is picking 4 Good players who can put up with nubs to teach them. That may even be impossible considering the level of dedication to ns in top players is and has dropped dramatically but other than that its just a matter of playing with the new guys.
Only one of the clanners would even have to actually be in the clan. One would have to be leader. The others could just chip in during scrims/practice. And play for their own clans in cal.
Every player on both sides came from their home pub. D&S and Evil pub.
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Yes, but everyone starts off as a pubber.
All im saying is that if 4 or 5 guys who know the game in and out wanted to spend time on it they could easily train 20-30 players up to cal gamma level in 2 months or less.
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No I didn't
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Squishy, I'm mearly contesting this part of your post:
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It just isn't true. EVERYONE starts off as pubbers, and EVERYONE learns by getting their **** kicked.
Also dn` asked X/0 a ton of questions after every scrim and is it Pman who was their leader? Would hang out for an hour after a scrim and help us out acouple times a week.
Squishy is right we recruited pubbers all the time and made many changes throughout Evil's history. I can give you one name off the top of my head,<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
his name was evilmonkey (know him?) He was not part of the clan when it started he was brought in while pubbing and if you want me too i can think of about 10 more names for you.
We also created a branch off of Evil, called EbE, which we placed in ugl to compete and had practices to help them get better, and again all pulled from pubs.
So unless you were in the clan or you knew us very well you might want to research some stuff before you say too much.
By the way if you are asking me who am I, I am the co-leader, co-founder of Evil
and the server admin, me and One started it and i was there with them all the way. Lost time to compete, but always helped out the team, and our pub recruites by teaching them the ways.
And evil would most of the time go over strats and probs of a match or scrim with the clan they played.
Thank you
evilTurtle
ps
Squishy thx for the great comment about evil, not too often i see, or have seen any.
Speaking of which, if anyone wants a tryout, feel free to ask me on irc. Forlorn won't bite.
Im talking about forming a clan solely for the purpose of training players and then releasing players once their good enough to go join a new clan.
We also created a branch off of Evil, called EbE, which we placed in ugl to compete and had practices to help them get better, and again all pulled from pubs.
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Amen.
Then i went on to commanding for AUS when Tsunamii retired and shut down Sinner.
In NS2, we -easily- reached top 5 ENSL, i didn't have much alien commander experience and still got us 2 onos eggs, 3 fade eggs, 5 lerk eggs iirc and then i saved 100 res.
After that i just start making whips for the LOLZ. We ended the game with a massive whip conga-line. We were literally struggling to end the game because they were obvs aimbotting and then the whips started marching into marine spawn and i heard Mouse go "Sexy, what's with the whips?".
It took me hours to convince the rest of AUS that we had done such a good job of preparing and securing res that we actually had enough left over to create over a dozen whips.
I don't even remember how many i made, maybe 30? All i remember is the congo-line was literally so long it reached from our hive to marine spawn.
TL;DR don't ever look at a "Training clan" in a condescending manner. We're USED to losing. A LOT. We learn to adapt.