The point being you dont have a hissy fit and vote-kick someone for building in a different order if no malice was involved. Hell yea I could understand if I was going around placing Sens on Rts or placed Sens on purpose to be a d*ck. But I didnt do it with malice, I didnt even do it on purpose. I didnt even have time to explain AND they never even thought to ask.
I couldn't agree with you more, Teufel. I've been in a game where a newbie gorge built sensory first. Then the whole team just loses it and hurls insults at him for the next 10 minutes. I mean, damn. We've gotten to the point where we're so afraid of losing that we're not willing to try anything different. All the team had to do is just shut up and learn how to use cloaking. Instead they cussed the guy out, when he didn't know any better. It just makes me sick sometimes.
Note: This is so getting off topic. Let me end it here for all of us.
There is no HL-Guard on CiS server but there are also no hackers on there. Zippy is a nutjob from England <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> and his whole |zip| clan pisses me off, really <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> . Don't build a chamber without your teams approval. Hmmm... What else? There is an occasional lag spike or server drop at the end of the round but the lag that shows 300 ping for me is acting as good as a 20 ping server, except just when my console goes up from using HLSW. The sensory chamber can be a viable option for a team, but you must know how to use it properly. Very properly. Anyway, don't badmouth CiS or the players on there. Tiburon is a good host/admin and the occasional friend of his who does a few admin commands can be jerks (TheNoid). FiRe is a great -[CiS]- clan member who is an admin. THe [OSS] guys are there to help as well. The server is well admined.
Lets leave it at this. No more ruckus for one topic.
Just as a final note I have NOT ONCE dissed on CiS or its admins. If a person were to read my original post in this thread you would see that I have in fact had good times there.
The problem with NS is that everyone strives to make the game balanced. Only problem is, the chambers are not balanced. One chamber is actively used in the field (the field being different parts of a level) everywhere (defence), another chamber is seldom used in the field (movement), and another chamber is never used in the field (sensory). I think that movement chambers and escpecially sens chambers should be given evil field abilities. Hard to think of good ideas, but for example make movement chambers also make everything around them take less damage (with strict rules as to how much it protects, so it wouldn't turn a fade into a wall of lame), and make everything in the range of a sensory tower not show up on marine motion tracking (But make that feature turn off when hives die so movable vent camping with def chambers is not possible), or make it so that the sensory tower ONLY cloaks all buildings surrounding it (not players). Something like that to make them have a value as a first chamber.
<!--QuoteBegin--x-treme x-tasy+Jan 29 2003, 03:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x-treme x-tasy @ Jan 29 2003, 03:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Zippy is a nutjob from England <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> and his whole |zip| clan pisses me off, really <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You hate me? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyways, CiS is my favorite server; it's very well admines most of the time. Pings are usually good but there are times when everyone's ping jusmps to 300+.
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Sensory would already be useful as a first chamber in the first part of the game... if it wasn't for MT, of course. Unfortunately, sensory has no use in the midgame, when the aliens need to attack defended positions.
Also, sensory is very sensitive - it means you have to DOMINATE the marines completly, and foil EVERY attempt at setting up forward bases. If the marines manages to lock down two hives while the aliens have sensory, then the aliens are basically dead, as uncarapaced aliens just die really, really fast (Lerks, for example, are useless without carapace - 9 bullets instead of 30 with lvl 3 carap? Please ...)
Together with the ease a commander can negate sensory (MT, scanner sweeps), sensory in 1.04 is still not a viable upgrade. Better - in fact MUCH better - than in 1.03, but stilll not good enough.
As I wrote ages ago, sensory HAS to negate MT and scanner sweeps before it can be a viable build. You pay such a HUGE cost in straight-up fighting abilities when going sensory instead of defense...
Lately, I been thinking that all aliens should get a 20-30% boost in their uncarapaced life, and then carapaced nerfed so that they get the same life as now with lvl 3 carap. May be necessary in order to ever balance the chambers, as carapace is just so good.
<!--QuoteBegin--Soviet~Dictator+Jan 29 2003, 09:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soviet~Dictator @ Jan 29 2003, 09:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--x-treme x-tasy+Jan 29 2003, 03:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x-treme x-tasy @ Jan 29 2003, 03:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Zippy is a nutjob from England <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> and his whole |zip| clan pisses me off, really <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You hate me? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyways, CiS is my favorite server; it's very well admines most of the time. Pings are usually good but there are times when everyone's ping jusmps to 300+. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Me love dictator!
Lag there isn't that much, it does crash for some reason or another, ex. FiRe changin the map.
Coronas may be seemingly well adminned to some of you, but thats only because you have obviously never played there, or you don't play there anymore. You can't BUY a kick/ban for an obvious cheater even with an admin playing in the game. One time a fade was using the vent/acid rocket exploit on hera and the admin saw him and laughed and didnt stop him, he continued doing it and took out the entire base in that manner.
This kind of garbage happens every day, and frankly I'm glad i don't have to deal with it anymore, I've moved over to c|E small plum tree server. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
The reason sensory is so unpopular is because, of the low life and armor of the aliens without Defense (carapace/regeneration), and the shoddy energy rgeneration rate without movement (adrenaline)
Unles this is maybe changed some, i cant see any deviation from D/M/S
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ROTFLMAO
There is no HL-Guard on CiS server but there are also no hackers on there. Zippy is a nutjob from England <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> and his whole |zip| clan pisses me off, really <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> . Don't build a chamber without your teams approval. Hmmm... What else? There is an occasional lag spike or server drop at the end of the round but the lag that shows 300 ping for me is acting as good as a 20 ping server, except just when my console goes up from using HLSW. The sensory chamber can be a viable option for a team, but you must know how to use it properly. Very properly. Anyway, don't badmouth CiS or the players on there. Tiburon is a good host/admin and the occasional friend of his who does a few admin commands can be jerks (TheNoid). FiRe is a great -[CiS]- clan member who is an admin. THe [OSS] guys are there to help as well. The server is well admined.
Lets leave it at this. No more ruckus for one topic.
Zippy is a nutjob from England <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> and his whole |zip| clan pisses me off, really <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You hate me? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyways, CiS is my favorite server; it's very well admines most of the time. Pings are usually good but there are times when everyone's ping jusmps to 300+.
Also, sensory is very sensitive - it means you have to DOMINATE the marines completly, and foil EVERY attempt at setting up forward bases. If the marines manages to lock down two hives while the aliens have sensory, then the aliens are basically dead, as uncarapaced aliens just die really, really fast (Lerks, for example, are useless without carapace - 9 bullets instead of 30 with lvl 3 carap? Please ...)
Together with the ease a commander can negate sensory (MT, scanner sweeps), sensory in 1.04 is still not a viable upgrade. Better - in fact MUCH better - than in 1.03, but stilll not good enough.
As I wrote ages ago, sensory HAS to negate MT and scanner sweeps before it can be a viable build. You pay such a HUGE cost in straight-up fighting abilities when going sensory instead of defense...
Lately, I been thinking that all aliens should get a 20-30% boost in their uncarapaced life, and then carapaced nerfed so that they get the same life as now with lvl 3 carap. May be necessary in order to ever balance the chambers, as carapace is just so good.
zippy > all of you
just gotta laff at the 1st post, love how he talks about cs too. just like in cs the ns newbies call everything a hack it's so stupid it's funny.
Zippy is a nutjob from England <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> and his whole |zip| clan pisses me off, really <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You hate me? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyways, CiS is my favorite server; it's very well admines most of the time. Pings are usually good but there are times when everyone's ping jusmps to 300+. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Me love dictator!
Lag there isn't that much, it does crash for some reason or another, ex. FiRe changin the map.
This kind of garbage happens every day, and frankly I'm glad i don't have to deal with it anymore, I've moved over to c|E small plum tree server. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
zippy
Unles this is maybe changed some, i cant see any deviation from D/M/S