At Last! 1.04 Stats Up.

Kitsune · February 2003

Yes, the wait is over. You can stop camping the forums and go to sleep! For I've put all of the weapon statistics up at the creatively-named <a href='http://www.geocities.com/kitsune/104stats.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.geocities.com/kitsune/104stats.htm</a>. So now y'all get to see the impact of the new carapace system. The 1.03 and 1.04e pages are both still up, at ns_stats.htm and 104estats.htm, respectively, in case you want to compare.

sceadu · February 2003

My hero. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Morose · February 2003

Very nice. Thanks for all the parse work Kitsune. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Unipac · February 2003

Wow nicely done.

There are many kewl facts in here that I didn't know before... lol

Zerogreat · February 2003

Cheers

Kotau · February 2003

Nothing but praise here for your dedication <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Thanks

The_Spectre · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'>Base Damage Lerk
10 9/12/15/30
11 9/12/15/20</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Way to go, Half-Life engine.... This confirms what I've always thought, pistol is just better against lerks if your weapons aren't upgraded.

Excellent work, Kitsune.

Windelkron · February 2003

I'm not exactly sure how to read this table. Each weapon has 2 tables; the first one describes (?) and the second one describes how many shots it takes to kill an alien with different levels of carapace.

So it takes 17 HMG shots to kill a fade?! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'> I didn't know that. No wonder everyone takes Carapace.

Venmoch · February 2003

So about 50 bullets to kill a fade.....

Knowing this why don't the marines I play alongside do anything....

Renegade · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Feb 1 2003, 04:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> So about 50 bullets to kill a fade.....

Knowing this why don't the marines I play alongside do anything....  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Fades tend to demoralize any Marine equipped with less than an HMG, GL, and Heavy Armor.

Onuma · February 2003

Kinda the opposite for me...if I see a fade I automatically start firing like crazy, and when my LMG (or whatever I have) has emptied one magazine, I switch to my handgun, and once that is gone, knife time...obviously if I have a welder I can't do the handgun bit so I just go straight to that.

Rarely do I reload the weapons, because you just don't have enough time to usually, especially the HMG - that thing has sickly long reload time.

I need something that will play the sound file of the bugle charge whenever I see a fade and rush him <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> That would = win!

Speed_2_Dave · February 2003

awesome, thanks!

Kitsune · February 2003

Windel, the first chart for each weapon is displaying the amount of damage it does with one shot to health/armor. Since higher carapace levels negate some damage and assign more damage to the armor than health, it results in very different numbers.

BlueGhost · February 2003

Comical thing is HA/HMG marines are acctually worse for killing fades as they have no ability to chase it down.
(they need fast buddies)
BlueGhost

Kitsune · February 2003

I ran into that just the other night, in fact. An Onos was scooting away from a fight with a couple of heavies, left them in the dust in no time flat. It was me, running after him in light armor and hosing that huge butt with LMG rounds that took him down. I took some small personal satisfaction in that.

TheGlow · February 2003

Whats the approx stats for Health spray damage from gorge?
And the damage of the welder vs alien structures? Like 8.4 seconds to take down a node, etc.

Also, yes, Fades do demoralize, and I ran straight at one with all I had, ran out of ammo, and used my knife. Surprisingly about stab #4 he went down. Marine behind me watching couldnt stop laughing. Why he still insisted on acid rockets at point blank, we'll never know.

sekdar · February 2003

kitsune is a sexy beast <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

thx a ton for stats <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Kazyras · February 2003

Good job as usual.

I have a suggestion. Would it be possible for you to include structures? It would be tremendously interesting and helpful to know just how many LMG or siege shots it takes to nail hives, OCs and such, though I can see how the healing factor could be problematic with such calculations. Knowing how many bites it takes to kill a sentry or a TF would be kind of neat too.

BTW, I thought direct grenade damage was back to 200 in 1.04?

Kitsune · February 2003

Grenade damage is still 90, I lobbed one at my roomie just for fun while we were checking out 1.04's cloak, and his Gorge took 90 points from the hit.

As for structures, I did some quick poking at them tonight and got the following health numbers. I had to do some guessing, rounding to the nearest round number, since 75-damage Skulk bites don't give very precise results.

Observatory 1000
Prototype Lab 2000
Phase Gate 2000
Arms Lab 2200
Armory 2350
Turret Factory 2950
Command Chair 9750

Defense Chamber 700
Movement Chamber 700
Sensory Chamber 2200 (yes, 2200)
Resource Tower 3000
Hive 6000 (best guess, 338 HMG shots killed it, but it got a lot of healing done in the time it took)

Droggog · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlueGhost @ Feb 1 2003, 04:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Comical thing is HA/HMG marines are actually worse for killing fades as they have no ability to chase it down.
(they need fast buddies)</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Exactly

I just don't like HA, hate it when a comm drop it ON me. When i see a comm equiping marines with HA i just run away from the protolab <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> .

Now 'bout the stats;

Kitsune: Good work again. Only one thing; i'm not sure about the ammo/mouvement issue. I never noticed it but o well maybe it's just me. Maybe we can ask the devs about this.

ogz · February 2003

what about offensive chamber?

Nemesis_Zero · February 2003

One should note that HAs are meant for <i>offense</i>. You don't make a tank hunt after a Ferrari either.

Kitsune · February 2003

Offense chambers don't exactly let you plug away at them with impunity, same with turrets. I'll get around to them, it's just somewhat trickier than going after stuff that isn't shooting back.

Vash · February 2003

Aren't your stats for the GL wrong...I thought it did 200 damage now?

Onuma · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Feb 1 2003, 10:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> One should note that HAs are meant for <i>offense</i>. You don't make a tank hunt after a Ferrari either.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
LMAO So true.

But that tank Sabot sure flies a lot faster than the Ferrari travels <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'>

TheGlow · February 2003

Any clue what the damage and range is on healing spray?

Big_Game_Hunter · February 2003

*bumped* because I had a hell of a time finding this and I was actually looking for it.

PvtLohne · February 2003

Great Job Kitsune, huge boon to anyone that has the time to give it a once over.

Narfwak · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kitsune @ Feb 2 2003, 03:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Offense chambers don't exactly let you plug away at them with impunity, same with turrets. I'll get around to them, it's just somewhat trickier than going after stuff that isn't shooting back.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
See if you can do it with "legitimate" cheats, such as setting up an admin mod server and admin_godmode ing yourself.

Khaim · February 2003

or use sv_cheats 1 and the invul command.

InfraRed · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kitsune @ Feb 1 2003, 11:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I ran into that just the other night, in fact. An Onos was scooting away from a fight with a couple of heavies, left them in the dust in no time flat. It was me, running after him in light armor and hosing that huge butt with LMG rounds that took him down. I took some small personal satisfaction in that.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I can imagine some of the clannies from TFC creating a rule that would prevent anyone chasing the onos...

At Last! 1.04 Stats Up.

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