Bite Error

reasa · February 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">what is wrong?</div> What is wrong with the skulk bite? I have stood at marines feet and bit dead on 5-8 times with no effect till the marine finaly caught on and blew me away also the skulk bite seems to often have no effect when a marine is crouched. Im not sure if this is a new issue with 1.04 but it is extremly noticeable and very annoing.
I looked at the marine model in HLMV and saw the hitbox for it

<a href='http://hostmysig.com/data/reasa/marine.jpg' target='_blank'>http://hostmysig.com/data/reasa/marine.jpg</a>

<a href='http://hostmysig.com/data/reasa/marinee.jpg' target='_blank'>http://hostmysig.com/data/reasa/marinee.jpg</a>

now im not sure if something is wrong with the hitbox but thats the only thing I can think of perhaps you need to make it bigger around the ankels and feet, anyway just bringing this to your attention

Lucid · February 2003

This is a well known bug and has been around for a while. Just like all the other bugs it will be fixed eventually.

Ollj · February 2003

my personal record is biting the same marine 20 times (after the 5tf time I counted for fun) without killing him.
He did nut run or jump or crounch around much and spend more time in reloading then in shooting, so I always hat a clear close bite.
no health got dropped.

on the other side i played torrero alone with one alien at an unbuild hive location. he bit me about 50+ times and did just slightly damage. i got no health from the comm... then i ran out of ammo and the duel continued with knife. that alien climed to the top when it was exhausted (it ha hat regeneration, too) .
I could just wait with my knife till it came back down to me OR till my freaking comm drops me ammo and health wich i yelled for whil the alien looks at me from the top . At last the comm dropped stuff, i killed it finally with.

fool · February 2003

yes you cant hit marines while they crouch, but also i dont think you cna hit them if your stuck on thir back and they are running. i was stuck on a marines back and biting and he was runnig forward with no idea and he didnt die until he turneed around and i bit his nose off.

Unknown · February 2003

You can kill a marine while he's crouched. Its just a bit harder if your not used to attacking them. Either try to bite their ... manly objects or jump up, aim down, and bite their head.

parkan · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Unknown @ Feb 3 2003, 09:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You can kill a marine while he's crouched. Its just a bit harder if your not used to attacking them. Either try to bite their ... manly objects or jump up, aim down, and bite their head.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Biting the head never works for me. I guess TSA issues marines extra strength helmets, because sitting on top of a marine and biting seems to do nothing. Same with feet (if the marine is on a ladder).

EnemyWithin · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Unknown @ Feb 4 2003, 02:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You can kill a marine while he's crouched. Its just a bit harder if your not used to attacking them. Either try to bite their ... manly objects or jump up, aim down, and bite their head.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I circle-strafed on top of a crouching marines head the other day and bit him 5-6 times before he finally killed me. I was looking down at his head the entire time and didn't do any damage at all. :/

TheGlow · February 2003

Ive had my share of questionable experiences, namely the marine on the ladder foot thing. I snuck up on one and big a good 8 times before he looked down and killed me instantly. But Ive had better luck from above. But crouched marines in vents is the worst.

redeemed_darkness · February 2003

*Yawn* you are about the 100 person to note that bug that has yet to be fixed until then you can ether exploit it or not it's you choice

Draxo · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (reasa @ Feb 3 2003, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What is wrong with the skulk bite? I have stood at marines feet and bit dead on 5-8 times with no effect till the marine finaly caught on and blew me away also the skulk bite seems to often have no effect when a marine is crouched. Im not sure if this is a new issue with 1.04 but it is extremly noticeable and very annoing.
I looked at the marine model in HLMV and saw the hitbox for it

<a href='http://hostmysig.com/data/reasa/marine.jpg' target='_blank'>http://hostmysig.com/data/reasa/marine.jpg</a>

<a href='http://hostmysig.com/data/reasa/marinee.jpg' target='_blank'>http://hostmysig.com/data/reasa/marinee.jpg</a>

now im not sure if something is wrong with the hitbox but thats the only thing I can think of perhaps you need to make it bigger around the ankels and feet, anyway just bringing this to your attention </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
yeah, been noticing this myself too

those fugers should be dead, they know it but they got a kill so they dont care.

my record is 9 bites on a marine and yet he still didnt drop..

its beccoming increasingly frustrating..

maybe the bite range could be extended some to fix this..

thats all i can think of.

[edit] typo fixes

Vertigo-1 · February 2003

Why should marines care? It's not about kills, they don't get any points for it anyway. They don't know if you *should* have hit them or not. If the game says you missed, then you missed. Find another way to make your hits count.

I'm interested to see what effect it'll have when the crouching bug is finally fixed. When I play marines, I crouch by habit (from CS) and also so I don't have to worry about vertical angle as much. I'm not doing it to make myself harder to kill, I just want to protect my ankles.

Draxo · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Vertigo-1 @ Feb 4 2003, 04:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Why should marines care? It's not about kills, they don't get any points for it anyway. They don't know if you *should* have hit them or not. If the game says you missed, then you missed. Find another way to make your hits count. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

huh?

when a friend as a marine crouches beside me, as an experiement, i walk up to him and bite him 8 times, and he doenst take any dmg, than _something is wrong_

a runing marine is actually slightly easier to hit, crouching in a vent produces the biggest discrepancies, 9 bites and no dmg

Bunny hopping marine just sucks, and is helluvanoying...

[edit] typo fixes

Ladyskunk · February 2003

Its annoying to say the least..

But even more fun when you do manage to kill the marine and he yells out BS because he was crouching and expecting it to save him. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Take care all.

LS

Vertigo-1 · February 2003

I don't disagree that bite is horribly bugged and should be a priority in 1.1

I'm only saying that it's not impossible to hit a crouching marine, I die on my knees all the time, and I kill just as many that way. See the related bug post about a <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=26&t=18633' target='_blank'>skulk's huge, misplaced hitbox.</a> It's likely that the reason you miss in these cases is that the bite attack doesn't originate from the mouth like you expect, it comes from a point floating above your back. When you bite directly at someone who's crouching, you actually bite above their head. When you try to bite up a ladder, you're either hitting the air behind the marine's back or the ladder he's standing on.

Adjust your aim knowing this, and you'll have a much easier time hitting them. It's been stated many times in the forum that biting a crouched marine's feet is the best way to kill them.

edit: Just remembered another scenario. On ns_nancy near the marine base is a peeled-up metal floor grate. A skulk clinging to the underside of that grating can bite any marine that steps on the floor above.

DarkWings · February 2003

I find that i can get crouching marines easier if i go in from the side, and jump about two feet from getting there, landing right underneath the head. This usally works for me.

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