For What It Is Worth.

dexion · February 2003

This player came into my server and just waited for a chance to build a sensory chamber.
Did it very quick we had no chance to stop him.

L 02/04/2003 - 22:51:36: "-=[Xavier]=-<294><1606148><alien1team>" changed role to "gorge"
L 02/04/2003 - 22:51:38: "-=[Xavier]=-<294><1606148><alien1team>" triggered "structure_built" (type "sensorychamber")
L 02/04/2003 - 22:51:40: "-=[Xavier]=-<294><1606148><alien1team>" committed suicide with "world"

Any other admins want to use this info please do. I am not suggesting anything just providing information.

dex

DOOManiac · February 2003

...

so?

folk · February 2003

suck it up, nublet.

dexion · February 2003

Make of it what you will.
dex

One must think, to intentionally ruin other peoples games to further their small world what else he/she would do to have fun at other peoples expense.

Silver_Fox · February 2003

and I can only assume the entire alien team quit right then and there and pressed f4 ..

poor babies .. god forbid you try a new chamber ..

CForrester · February 2003

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Silver Fox @ Feb 5 2003, 12:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> and I can only assume the entire alien team quit right then and there and pressed f4 ..

poor babies .. god forbid you try a new chamber ..  </td></tr></table> 
This man is entirely correct.

T_RAT · February 2003

hehehehe tissue?
kidding.

ive had sensory first its not that bad, if anything had more fun trying out different statergies.

Alpha_1 · February 2003

What you nOOb callers seem to forget is that the alien team strategy dictates the chamber that should be built first.

It is well and good to say sensor/movement/defense first is a valid strategy. What you fail to consider is that the strategy the TEAM wants to use is what should dictate the chamber to be built first.

How would you feel if you wanted to do skulk inviso ambushes and a person comes on to your server and puts up defense or movement before anyone could do anything about it? Kind of messes up your whole game strategy doesn't it?

Each chamber dictates a different type of strategy, if the team has decided on a strategy it is the gorges duty to back that strategy up. It boosts the alien moral, makes the team more cohesive, and encorages risk taking for the team. To have some idiot come along and FORCE yoour team to do a different strategy (after one is already decided) breaks down the bonds of teamwork and team moral.

Really you guys should know that, get your heads out of the hive opening and look at what the guy is saying.

dexion · February 2003

no, we won the game. It is the behavior i am talking about not the results. His intentions were to ruin the game. I don't care is we won or lost childish/selfish behavior is the issue here. I am trying to weed out for the other admins someone who they may not want to play on their servers. We do this for the love of the game not so people can make the experience bad for everyone. This time it really did not effect the game results although we did have to shift gears on the fly so to speak. But, antisocial behavior must be delt with. I like sensory first too if the situation allows it. But, the second chamber (this was the second chamber) should be something other than sensory. Sensory is usually not tactically viable as a second chamber just a first or third.

fool · February 2003

AHHHHH!!!!! RUN!!!! SOMEONE BROKE THE D-M-S CODE! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>!?!? LETS F4 SO WE CAN PLAY THE SAME WAY EVERY SINGLE GAME!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dexion · February 2003

again, i ask you to pay attention to the behavior of the player not the game.

Some of the best games I have had have been s m d but, I always poll the team and ask their opinions of what we should build and what strat we adopt. It is the antisocial behavior that is up for debate. It is akin to someone pushing you off a chair because he wants to sit there.
dex

fool · February 2003

if someone goes and builds a snesory chamber and leaves he is not wrecking your game. ofcourse the person is a total idiot trying to truin every game, but there is no such thing as a perfect world. some people are mistakes. and just think of the sensory as antoher onbstacle. that player did not wreck the game. no, the player tried to but if your a good alien team it shouldnt affect you at all.

dexion · February 2003

And that is the crux of this post he was trying to ruin the game but failed (he isn't really even a good idiot...) and should any other admin want to take note they can.

fool · February 2003

take what note? you posted some log and thats all.

SoBe_Dragon · February 2003

sensory first can be fun <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Onuma · February 2003

People are too closed minded to use anything else.

Granted the D->M->S does work as long as the aliens do their job...but then again you could have NO upgrade chambers and do your job effectively.

Iden · February 2003

I can see Sensory outdoing defense chambers soon as the first chamber. Cheaper, make the game a bit more fun, and it really really demoralizes the marines. They start getting scared about leaving their base, spray bullets in random corners.

dexion · February 2003

alright fool, I will translate them for you.

He joined the game.
Sat in a corner until the second hive went up.
Turned gorg (already had a good one doing a very good job)
build sensory
killed himself (build and kill in 4 seconds) he didn't bother to build it just dropped it and killed himself.

Then when we asked who built it via voice and then text and why, he did not respond. That is why I had to go to the logs to find out who did it.

So, since the gorge was not close to where he build it (we had to find it) it took the full 60 seconds to build itself. We got no benefit from cloak until it had self built. His intentions were to force a change in strat and have us do things his way without regard to the team. This is what I was trying to get across. I am sorry I was too vague for you.

If you are unable to understand the first post now fool (sorry that is not meant to be derogatory it is your name) , please ask for specific clarification. As I am unable to see the need for even this interpretation of the logs I am at a loss to help you further unless you are specific.

dex

redeemed_darkness · February 2003

Why do some people have to take a small example And try and make it a worldwide catastrophe?

By the way it’s not the games problem that some one did that, I hate to tell you but… It’s just life Sorry it happens

dexion · February 2003

We seem to be losing site of the reason for the post. I agree that sensory is viable especially as a first chamber. I do not agree with forcing a team to your will because you are able to exploit a loophole in the game. Every chance I get (with the blessing of the team) I will build a sensory first. But, one must take into account the tactical situation one is in and play accordingly.
dex

dexion · February 2003

Where did I imply it was the games fault for someone's actions. I agree it is life someone will try to ruin anything you have that they do not. But, it does not make the behavior correct. And I agree it happens, and if any admin wants it to not happen on their server they are now able to.

heathenSlayer · February 2003

If someone does that, your only other option than f4 is to tell the marines where your hive is, make sure they kill it and the sens, then rebuild hive and start over with d.

dexion · February 2003

We did not do that. We continued the game and ended up winning. It would be wrong to give in to what he wanted to have happen, we faught even harder to win the hame even with the handicap.

Alpha_1 · February 2003

Dexion,

Hate to say it but you are preaching to idiots. They can't possiblely understand where you are coming from because they can't think for themselves OR a team. I read you dude, I understand perfectly as well. Nice try at waking up other admins, too bad it also draws in idiots.

For those of you uneducated ones the log also shows the guys WON ID so it allows an admin to ban him if they so choose.

Really the level of comprehension on these forums is amazingly low.

T_RAT · February 2003

U won the game so...........

how do u know he typed this in??
could he have put it there as gorge then had to leave or it crashed?

dexion · February 2003

He continued playing and never owned up to becoming a second gorge when our first gorge was very good at it and the sensory chamber when it was not what we agreed to build next. I had to look at the logs to find out who did it. He never said a word or typed anything the entire game. If he wanted to let us in on the reason he did that he had ample time the game continued for about 40 minutes. If you could like I can post the entire relevant log file portions, but I though it verbose and not really relevant to the focus of the post.

redeemed_darkness · February 2003

I don't see why you getting so worked up about it <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>
Any way 1.1 is going fix that apparently so it will not matter what went first

Poo · February 2003

Hey, Xavier is great! I played a game with him and he buildt sensory first.

Because of this, I played the best, and most fun game of my life!

Go X!

dexion · February 2003

I am not getting anything, i am mearly stating that poor behavior that goes unpunished is bad. How many of us stopped playing some game we paid money for (quake, aoe, warcraft etc) because of cheaters and lame players. Our online experience is worth fighting for an I for one will never just shrug my shoulders and say there is nothing that can be done. There is plenty that can be done and should be done.

dexion · February 2003

Poo,

I am not saying sensory is unviable I am berating his behavior.
dex

Poo · February 2003

Sometimes you need add a bit of force to mix up the crazyness of the DMS!

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