Philosohpy Of Aim

Blackout · February 2003

An alien in NS moves unlike opponents in most First Person Shooters. Between natural skill differences, leaping, flight, teleportation, and whatnot, you have use your weapon very effectively and with great economy. No matter what mouse sensitivity you pick, your crosshairs will either move too fast at long range, not fast enough at close range, or you'll track with mediocre efficiency at both. I ended up with a medium level mouse sensitivity (10), and had trouble pistol'ing really far off skulks... I eventually found that leaving the crosshair almost stationary and doing a lot of footwork let me nail those distant targets. How are your controls setup? Have any tricks you use to increase your efficiency?

FlatlineUTD · February 2003

My sensitivity is set at 9.8, and I don't really have too much trouble at any distance.

One of my friends has 2 sensitivity settings - one for Skulk, and one for everything else. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Injury · February 2003

Sensitivity 5, nice and slow to compensate for my Über reflexes.

Heist · February 2003

Sensitivity is relative to your windows mouse speed. Those numbers mean nothing.

Gargamel · February 2003

I play all Games with my mouse and NUMERIC KEYPAD <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>
MUHAHAHA I AM THE BEST KEY CONFIGURER OUT THERE!
STOP RELEASING Ctrl Alt FPShooters and hire me for awesome control configs! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>
Mouse sensitivity is ... i dont know! But I got all keys on NUMPAD <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

statusq · February 2003

I have mouse sens of 3. It is perfect for me, since I can turn around 360 without raising my mouse from pad.
There's a general rule for mouse sens: "Drag your mouse across your mousepad. When you turn exactly 360 your sensitivity is fine."
Hope you understood. I have found that rule to be perfect for me.

TeoH · February 2003

That is horrific, remind me to circle strafe the hell out of you if we're ever on the same server.

Sens values mean very little as they are dependant on a number of other factors. But i have no mouse acceleration and moving my mouse across the pad performs about 5 or 6 360s. If you use a high sensitivity, tracking a target over mid-long distance can be improved by pressing the mouse down somewhat, to slow the movement and get a more controlled track. For general use, a light touch on the top of the mouse is enough to steer it, and you need this sort of grip for fast turns at close range.

When using a railgun, i find its helpful to drag my crosshair across the target before snapping back to fire. You can apply the same idea to NS shotgun. If you have maccel turned off this aids you by confirming how a certain part of the mouse pad relates to the area of screen infront of you. Instead of trying to hold your crosshair steady over the target with a shotgun, as you would with a LMG, instead don't worry about tracking, but get a feel for how much you need to move the mouse to aim at any particular spot, then snap to it. This is usually more successful than trying to react constantly to a skulks movements by tracking it, which is distracting.

I don't know how well the above method works for people using maccel, i personally despise it but it might work for someone who is used to that sort of mouse movement.

Xanieth · February 2003

I have a sens of 2. I have a big **** mouse pad.

MooMan · February 2003

I use low sens.
It is enough to turn 180 degrees round, so I can cover myself quickly.
No need for 360, cos with 180, u can turn the other way....

But it is very much personal preference and setup.

ZoKHiZ · February 2003

haha..i have my mouse sensivity so big, that if i move my wrist even a little bit it does 360 turn...and i think it is great for those nasty suprise attacks form behind...and i can aim easily...

i have always played whit very big mouse sensivity...almost max in every game...

Firewater · February 2003

there are 2 things that constitute good aim. Speed, and accuracy, typically how it works is, the more the speed, the less accuracy, and the more the accuracy, the less the speed. You can have great speed, but if you arent accurate its not that much good, you can have great accuracy, but without the speed to actually get the crosshair on the target, you get murderd. The trick is to find a stable balance between the two. Try different values in game, liek try something that is really low, and then something that is really fast, then try to find what your balance is. If you can aim accurately with 20 sensitivity, more power to you, but if you have the speed without the accuracy, lower it. If you can aim great with a 1.4 sensitivity awesome, but if you keep getting flanked or cant look at ceilings fast enough, turn it up a little.

Hopefully this enlightened some people so that maybe they can aim better.

Firewater · February 2003

could this thread be "webbed" because I feel that aiming is the most essential thing to a marine.

Firewater · February 2003

double post i apologize

sekdar · February 2003

i play with sensitivity of 18. my windows sens is high with high mouse acceleration.

Moving the mouse across the pad slowly gives me around 720 deg.... moving it fast lets me breakdance in ready room <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Mouse acceleration IMO is the greatest thing to happen to FPS aiming. You can use high sens (like i do) and have excellent close combat aim, and move the mouse slower to get long range accuracy w/o having to switch sensitivity.

Heist · February 2003

Personally I play at a sensitivity of 25, but as I stated before, it is dependent on your windows acceleration. I like to be able to turn 180 degrees in about 1 inch of lateral movement.

Havanna · February 2003

Heist is right though, unless you add -noforcemparms to the shortcut, you're using Windows sensitivity settings, and thus, these numbers mean <b>nothing</b>.

I also use -noforcemaccel, but I'm very picky with my settings. I'm a CAL CS player, and frequent many LAN tourneys, so my settings mean alot. I currently use 1.3 sensitivity, no accel, and I had an mx500, but I realized I liked the mx300 better. Both are Logitech mouses. The point is, you shouldn't even try to explain to most noobs why I use a 1.3 sensitivity. It takes me about 5-8 swipes on my Funcpad (this is the godliest thing I own, ever. Everyone buy a funcpad NOW) to do a 360. But you only need enough to do a 180. If you ever go past 180, swipe the other way, newbie. All this talk of doing 360's is pointless.

When you use low sensitivity, if you can compensate with the speed of your hand, you're accuracy is unheard of. Headshots in CS, of course, but you have to realize it's accurate on all small objects. Skulks, gorges, whatever, they're all pretty small. Fades are a joke for me to hit accurately. It's just in NS, there's no recoil, and it always hits in a certain radius, which completely counteracts the point of skill. I can keep my cursor on the Fade like I have aimbot, but with the set implied recoil, my skill never really makes me better than any other spamming newbie. Yes, I do it all the right way, pistol out, close distance, LMG chase him, and knife if you're really close to killing him.

However, because of my accuracy, my pistol has godlike qualities to it when hitting skulks. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Ironically, however, I command most of the time. I play NS to get away from CS, I don't need to practice my aim. I'm playing around with tech rushing strats right now. No hive rush, just tech rushing, which seems to be the new big deal in 1.04. It's been fun.

Amorphous · February 2003

I use sensativity 5. It works well for me.

OttoDestruct · February 2003

What exactly does this -noforcemaccel do ? Ive never heard of it

Archzai · February 2003

i use noforcemaccel and and noforcemparms...

i use an explorer 3 mouse... and im plannig to get a func...

but nywayz

for CS i use a sensitivity of 3.... for NS.. i use 6 and for skulking i use 7-8 depending....

ive always hated extremely low sens cuz it feels so slow and its really hard to aim sometimes >.< <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> haha

firewater.. wut sens do u use?

Firewater · February 2003

i use 5 with no acceleration

Havanna what CS clan do you play for, I used to play CAL I like 3 seasons ago for [TAF]

Liku · February 2003

How do you check your Sensitivity? I don't think mine is to high, my reflectices are quick.

ogz · February 2003

congrats to those that can get used to mouse acceleration but for me its too hard to unlearn and relearn how to aim <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

personally for ns you can use high sens and strafe to compensate for range shots

you can't really do this as much in cs since when u are shot u move slow <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Renmauzo · February 2003

No no no.. it has nothing to do with aim and everything to do with PING!

How in the hell are u gonna beat a 40 ping Skulk when you have 200 ping?? The same thing can be said for reverse as well..

OttoDestruct · February 2003

Right.. and I've still got no clue what it does

Firewater · February 2003

type the word sensitivity in console

it will give a numeric value.

OttoDestruct · February 2003

No crap sensitivity tells it. I'm a scripter. I'm asking what the command line -noforcemaccel does.

Havanna · February 2003

I used to play CAL-M last year, I took a one year break because it's my junior year, and everything crazy. Suffice it to say, I overtook AP/Honors and had to drop out of the league. Ugh.

-noforcemparms tells HL to use it's own sensitivity ratio, and not base it on windows. Thus everyone with -noforcemparms can compare sensitivities and not be worried that they're win sensitivity is jacking with the numbers.

-noforcemaccel cancels mouse acceleration. However, most people know you can't completely turn off accel without a registry fix. Going to that extreme is really a matter of extreme preference, and it's extremely hard to fix the reg when you have it done, so I don't suggets anyone do it. 99% of the players have accel on to a degree (even me, I prefer it, I have tried the registry fix).

Firewater, is there a CAL league for NS? I'm always into the CS community, but only really play NS pub games. I know sYn is a pretty well known clan in NS, I tend to play on the |TE| server sometimes, for fun. I've been asked to join, and was visiting their site and I realized there were actually NS scrims lol. Stupid of me to be surprised, yeah, but I didn't realize people actually attempted to play competitively yet. I'm just wondering what servers sYn played on, I'm extremely confused about commanding in 1.04. The standard phase lockdown was incredibly easy, and comming for me was basically a 100% win record in 1.03, but in 1.04, all strats, even the ones you've been mentioning, have been so heavily marine dependant, outside of screams they seem to be impossible.

I've been experimenting with early passive teching, and HA/JP/HMG teching, but without rushing, things seems to go to hell fast due to the fact that I can't lockdown hives enough. You guys have an IRC channel right? Just wondering what it is.

Cxwf · February 2003

Someone mentioned that if you do it right, talking about 360° turns is pointless because you can always get there with a 180° turn. And if you're aiming at a building, that's right. The problem is, skulks, and to some extent other units, can walk all the way around you in a circle--and then do it again in the same direction, forcing you to go <i>beyond</i> 360° to keep up with them--and if you ever have to pick your mouse off your mousepad and relocate it to keep tracking them, you've lost a LOT of time. It's crucial to be able to track about 2 complete revolutions before having to move your mouse, or at the very least one full 360.

Then again, I'm a relatively new NS player, so maybe I'm wrong. How often do you find yourself falling off the edge of your mousepad in games? And how much does it cost you to move it back to a safe position?

Archzai · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Renmauzo @ Feb 5 2003, 02:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> No no no.. it has nothing to do with aim and everything to do with PING!

How in the hell are u gonna beat a 40 ping Skulk when you have 200 ping?? The same thing can be said for reverse as well.. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
ummm NOT true.. seroiusly

u ask ny1 on this forum if theyve ever played wif me... i doubt it tho

my name is -=Beta=- Bl@ZER

and when i play american servers... that means 200-300 normal beiginning game.. and 300-500 MAX for end game...

and yet ive managed to take out skulks like it was normal ping for me. dunno why.. but i feel that besides switching weaponsa nd wut not..... NS seems to have a better lag compensation for low ping vs high ping compared to CS... im not bragging.. ive seen tonsa other ppl wif HIGH pings come to the asian servers i play on and kill fellow skulks or marines too <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

btw.. firewater and havanna.. how old r u guys?

Clan_Hunter · February 2003

I actually use a low (3-4) mouse sensitivity and have always done so contrary to the popular opinion of higher sensitivity is used by the better players for one simple reason: I aim with my off hand. I'm left handed and play everything with right handed mice thus my aim is generally a bit shakey on higher sensitivities. Also I have the advantage of my mousepad is the entire right side of my desk (laser mice own you) so my lower sense still lets me pull fast spins.

Renmauzo · February 2003

Then it's probably packetloss... If there is a skulk that's actually 10 meters away from me.. I aim at unleash lmg at him, then the next moment he is right under me and I am dead.. I know there is something wrong...

Same goes to when I am using skulk as well, if I am happily biting the phase gate or infantry portal, I heard the marine pop up sound. I raise my head, I see nothing.. I look around and I see a marine that's 10 meters away from me and unleashing lmg clips.. I know it's definetly has nothing to do with my skill..

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