Ns_hera Supposed To Have A Broken Resource?

j0e · January 2003

on the default hera on my servers only 1 of the 2 resources in the holoroom works.

i could fix the other one using ripent easily and transparently but first i was wondering if anyone could tell me - was the resource SUPPOSED to be non-functional?

ImaTarget · January 2003

uhh the resources in holoroom work fine on all servers i have played on! Sounds very weird.

j0e · January 2003

maybe its a 1.04 thing? a few server admins i have talked to said it also didn't work on their servers...

ImaTarget · January 2003

hmm then it seems to be a 1.04 problem.

Ollj · January 2003

seen that bug too. But just since the official 1.04 release, never before.
Just on Hera, Holoroom.

Epoch · January 2003

I doesn't work on my server either. Linux, 1.04, no extra plugins.

Hellbilly · January 2003

This seems to be a bug in 1.04, not just on Hera. We have been playing ns_siege004 and ns_missilecommand alot on our server, and after we upgraded to 1.04, only half of the resource nozzles work.

This should be looked at.

Bastard · January 2003

We've seen it too on 1.04.

MrBen · January 2003

Got me, i went gorge, and tried to build i. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'> Then just gave up and went back to eating people.

Suicide_Run · January 2003

it is possible to build them both

its just a real pain in the **** and is pretty complicated to do

Eternal_Bliss · January 2003

happends in my server aswell ;/

Sephiroth2k · January 2003

uh to build it you need to build it out yer butt. you need to turn around and try to build it. if not walk forward a little bit...

Tabris · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sephiroth2k @ Jan 27 2003, 08:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> uh to build it you need to build it out yer butt. you need to turn around and try to build it. if not walk forward a little bit...  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
hmmm I hope that works <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>... ill have to test

MrBen · January 2003

Intersting, it was the other one when i played from my memory.

j0e · January 2003

the comm only lets you place resources on resource spots, and will "snap to" the correct resource location, so it seems like a bigger problem than a slightly misplaced entity

i submitted it as a bug in the bug forum

CaptainPanaka · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ollj @ Jan 27 2003, 04:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> seen that bug too. But just since the official 1.04 release, never before.
Just on Hera, Holoroom.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
same here

but now most of the custom maps seem to have this problem, too. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

Asraniel · January 2003

that was since a longer time in the 1.04.. but i think it was not in the 1.04a or so, it cames with a newer one, im not shure, but i think so.

d$k · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (j0e @ Jan 27 2003, 05:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> the comm only lets you place resources on resource spots, and will "snap to" the correct resource location, so it seems like a bigger problem than a slightly misplaced entity
</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Finaly someone who really knows whats wrong. Its not difficult to find out whats wrong when u play ns_siege002 or ns_siege004 or ns_missilecommand. If u place a res tower it appears on another nozzle.
Thats what u mean with "snap 2" i guess. So i strongly advice the NS-crew to change this bug because its a very big problem for funmaps. I played ns_square yesterday on a 1.03 server and we could build all the res (50) when i went playing on a 1.04 i couldnt place more then 3.

Lightning_Blue · January 2003

I can confirm the holoroom bug. As a gorge, I couldn't build on the left nozzle unless I faced the other direction...

Rabid_Llama · January 2003

Yeah, the Hera one is broken, and it does seem to be the "snap to" bug. I tested it, and tried to build on the left resource while standing in front of both of them (as gorge, obviously). The tower appeared on the RIGHT node instead of the LEFT one. I then proceeded to try and build on the left one once more. I ended up spamming my resource node bind until FINALLY it built.
Just bind a key to "impulse 90" and keep trying to build (spamming that button) until it finally takes. Just try a bunch of different distances and angles and eventually it'll work.

Hellbilly · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rabid Llama @ Jan 30 2003, 10:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yeah, the Hera one is broken, and it does seem to be the "snap to" bug. I tested it, and tried to build on the left resource while standing in front of both of them (as gorge, obviously). The tower appeared on the RIGHT node instead of the LEFT one. I then proceeded to try and build on the left one once more. I ended up spamming my resource node bind until FINALLY it built.
Just bind a key to "impulse 90" and keep trying to build (spamming that button) until it finally takes. Just try a bunch of different distances and angles and eventually it'll work.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Even though there is a workaround for aliens, there is no way for marines to build that node, which makes Holoroom less attractive for marines and creates a serious unbalance.

This bug needs to be adressed asap, since it not only affects Hera and the current "funmaps", but many other maps in progress, mine included.

duder3 · February 2003

oooohhh. thats what happened in holoroom to me. well i never got around to building the second node, but what happened is i tried to build the left one, was facing right at it, and it built the right one instead <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

I died before I got a chance to try again on the left one, but this sounds like a positioning problem.

MidnightThunder · February 2003

In the holoroom if you stand in the corner nearest the left node and face it, it will build.

Madjai · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MidnightThunder @ Feb 1 2003, 02:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> In the holoroom if you stand in the corner nearest the left node and face it, it will build.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
yea thats pretty much it.

it doesnt matter where you are facing, just walk up the ramp in holoroom and then build it, works every time.

fo_sheezy_my_neezy · February 2003

Yeah, there's a workaround for kharaa, but the probelm is marines can't do this, so yeah, as it was said before, serious unbalance.

Lucid · February 2003

owned you all!! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> Marines can build both nozzles too (on hera). There is a sweet spot that you can see in the image below. This is what you have to do:

- First you have to build the one in the right. //edit: you dont have to
- Select the "build RT" button or use an impulse bind
- Place the cursor over the middle of the right node and slowly drag it out to the right until you see it go red
- Now bring it back into the green just a little bit

I'm pretty sure you have to keep it directly right of the node. Don't go off at an angle. I don't believe there are any more sweet spots for this area. This is just a way to get by until they fix the bug.

<img src='http://damagenetworks.gotdns.com/hera_sweet_spot.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

kyliegirl · February 2003

1.04 bugged it, but i found as a gorg u can build on both, to get the left one on, stand on the railing and look down at it and build res, then itlll work.. its not that hard to balance on the railing <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

polekicker · February 2003

I found thats the only way I could do it too Kyliegirl. easier to build for aliems than hunams

but thanks for that tip on the 'sweet spot' that oans meh!

j0e · February 2003

someone astutely observed that the bug was reproduced when two resource nozzles are very close together, less than about 15 feet. what the game seems to do is bump the build targets of the resources away from each other. one resource will be built by aiming at the nozzle, but to build the one next to it you actually have to aim at a spot in the direction of the 2nd nozzle but 15 feet from the first nozzle. here's a crappy little diagram:

<img src='http://www.joe.to/images/resources.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

so if you AIM at the right red X (even though in the game you might be staring into a wall or off a cliff), it will actually plop the resource tower down in the original location. maybe that will help people build untiol the bug is fixed

RyoOhki · February 2003

Yeah, finally can build again in holoroom, but although it's no problem as an alien as a marine it's damn tough to explain it to your commander. Most of the time I ask him to hop out, I place it, then he get's back in. Hopefully 1.1 will fix the issue

Ns_hera Supposed To Have A Broken Resource?

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