Why I Love America...
doctorskizo
Join Date: 2002-07-31 Member: 1035Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2002-07-31 Member: 1035Members, Constellation
in Discussions
<div class="IPBDescription">...teh weapons!</div> A couple of weeks ago I was watching the history channel and they we're doing a documentary on the history of missles in the US military. OMG, we rock. There was this one missle that flew in the general direction of the target (hundreds of miles away). If the target wasn't in the vicinity of the destination, it would fly around in circles until the target appeared. The missles can distinguish friend from foe and has an accuracy within 8 feet. When the war starts, it's going to be over pretty quick. I hope you Europeans don't wuss out and not help us.
Comments
Hmmm. Not productive.
Hmmm. Not productive. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow, what an euphemism.
To be honest anyway, super-duper-uber-missles won't help you if the whole world dislikes you......
-EDIT- And does everything have to be solved with good 'ole militay tactics???? I really don't see a need for conflict <b>at the moment</b>
I personally like the proposal that France, Germany and Russia have come up with. UN Peacekeepers seems a much better way of doing it than all out war. In fact I'm really beginning to see the idea that all America wants is the mass of Iraqi oil..... -EDIT-
thats why we get a lot of em ;p
jk
I heard that a lot too. Honestly, I want to hear why American are disliked. From what I hear, we are too nosy or something like that.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
```````````````````````````````````Hitler``Husein`the US
1)Have they treated a group or
groups of their citizenery as subhuman?````Yes```Yes````Yes
2)Have they tried to amass weaponry
and military forces against the will of
other nations in agreements they had
with them?```````````````````````````Yes```Yes````Yes
3)Have they expressed views that
require support they complete
eradication of another group of
humans?`````````````````````````````Yes```Yes````Yes
4)Have they expressed the wish to
rebuild ancient empires and rule them?`````Yes```Yes````No
5)Have they shown agression towards
neighbouring countries?`````````````````Yes```Yes````Yes
6)Have they violently oppressed
opponents within their governments
and opposition groups? `````````````````Yes```Yes````Yes
7)Have they supported covert and
espionage operations that targeted
the citizenery of other nations for
death?```````````````````````````````No```Yes````Yes
Looks like we're hitler to!
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know this may get me flamed/spored/nuked etc but I'll say it anyway
The US should stop throwing it's weight around acting like the "big policeman" and let the UN do it's job properly. They seem to ready to throw themselves into another conflict.
Sorry nem, I made this post while you posted yours.
Well if we're going to talk about missles the best one is/was the V2.
It was the most scary thing perhaps to ever come out of WW2. It was impossible to shoot down and if it had become accurate the allies would have become doomed. It gave the Germans the ability to strike anyware at any time.
And also if we are talking about missles (Especially American ones.) Then you do know that while the US has signed an agreement not to make any more Nuclear weapons they are constantly tweaking their arsenal to make sure it is the most destructive?? In fact to make sure they could test what their effects could be they have a big capacitor somewhere in the US that simulates a nuclear explosion in a small space.[SIZE=1]
At least I think it was the V1. Not exactly an expert.
And thanks for the nod, Venmoch. But some of the creds for that should be going to CanadianWolverine.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually the entire total munitions dropped by Germany on England using V1's and V2's was only equal to one bombing raid on Hamburg in 1944 (it was fairly big but not apocalyptic or anything). Interestingly when the war was over 1,000 V1's were captured with pilot seats. A lot of the V1's that hit england were piloted.
That there should show you something. A lot of German people didn't like Hitler. A lot of Russian people didn't like Stalin. Did that stop citizens of either nation fighting to the death to defend their nation? No.
People will fight for their country usually regardless of who is in control when their nation is invaded. Russia took 25 million casualties fighting the germans. 2 million of them were in the last 3 weeks of the war, during the attack on Berlin. The Germans had enemy forces in front and behind, their cause was completely lost. Did they give up? No. They fought for their country.
The US (and yourself) seem to think the Iraqis will offer mere token resistance and the "Great Liberating Armies" will sweep through the cities thronged by cheering crouds and showered with flowers. It may come as a shock to you that people tend to take a dim view towards invading armies. There isn't a Northern Alliance sitting around in Iraq to do your ground work. And boy, have you been sucked in by the propaganda. "Yes, this will all be over quickly". Last time world leaders were saying that there was a minor conflict known as WWI. Technology such as those missiles you mentioned would hardly be able to differentiate between infantry soldiers, I strongly believe they are designed to be used against vehicles. In urban warfare many of the advantages of the US military are negated. City fighting was and is dirty rotten warfare that requires infantry to clear the city house by house, street by street. You can pound a city with bombs and artillery for weeks, but this generally just creates more defensive positions. Iraq will not be a cakewalk.
How dare you order us to take part in this war. How DARE you. Did it occur to you that we do not want it? Did it occur to you that the people in these countries such as France, England and Germany do NOT want war? You Americans talk about democracy all the time, well this is it in action. The majority of the world says no to this war. The majority of people in the European "whimpy nations" say no to war. I'm an Australian and our government wants this war, but the people say differantly. 80% of us don't want it without UN approval. There's democracy in action my friend.
And answer me this, if Iraq is such a terrible threat why do his neighbours not support this war? Why does the world not support this war? It would be very narrow minded to assume that only some Americans could see "the terrible truth". The US is simply coming off as warmongering and belligerant right now. If you ask me, Bush is a far greater threat to world peace than Saddam has or will ever be.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It was the most scary thing perhaps to ever come out of WW2. It was impossible to shoot down and if it had become accurate the allies would have become doomed. It gave the Germans the ability to strike anyware at any time.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A note on this. V2's could be engaged in air-to-air combat with Meteor jet fighters in the very late stages of the war, but for most of the time they were untouchable. Very interestingly in 1943 a German U-Boat sailed out into the Atlantic towing 3 large tubes behind it. Out in the testing area in the Atlantic the lower sections of the tubes were flooded, causing them to bob upright in the water. Inside each of these tubes was a single V2 missile. Each was successfully launched and the U-boat returned to it's French base. This was the world's first ballistic missile submarine, and if not for British commando raids on heavy water extraction plants in Norway, the Germans would likely have had a nuclear weapon by 1945. That U-boat's V2's had the range to hit the continental US. Luckily for the world that particular project never got furthur than testing.
Buy it. Read it. Learn from it. It's already out in the UK.
Bleh, the war will not be over in 3 days (as some people think). We'll be lucky to have it over in 3 years, and then still have the support of the Iraqi people.
It'll come down to a war of attrition I think. Sure, tanks are fine and dandy and all, but what good do they do when you have to take out only nme soldiers and not civilians? It'll be a SWAT style battle at every house. Baghdad will have to be renamed Stalingrad. Saddam will arm his people and ask them to rise up.
Hey! Hold it right there! It was actually Norwegian resistance members who did it, the Heroes of Telemark. Some of them were trained in Scotland, but they were Norwegian. Now don't you forget that. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->```````````````````````````````````Hitler``Husein`the US
1)Have they treated a group or
groups of their citizenery as subhuman?````Yes```Yes````Yes
2)Have they tried to amass weaponry
and military forces against the will of
other nations in agreements they had
with them?```````````````````````````Yes```Yes````Yes
3)Have they expressed views that
require support they complete
eradication of another group of
humans?`````````````````````````````Yes```Yes````Yes
4)Have they expressed the wish to
rebuild ancient empires and rule them?`````Yes```Yes````No
5)Have they shown agression towards
neighbouring countries?`````````````````Yes```Yes````Yes
6)Have they violently oppressed
opponents within their governments
and opposition groups? `````````````````Yes```Yes````Yes
7)Have they supported covert and
espionage operations that targeted
the citizenery of other nations for
death?```````````````````````````````No```Yes````Yes
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is a load of junk. Every country has done this at one time, Note: The US does this less then other countries in some situations. Stop being so subjective, please.
Whatever crusade you have against the current Republic don't try and make the US a villain. We might as well list every major European and Asian Power. And every third world country.
Edit. I'd like to hear about what group of people that the US believes to be sub-human. Especially since you have at least one of every race of people in a political office, and they are elected by the people, in state governments. Plus the US is not a single person, by saying that the US believes something you are implying the nation, but in your context you mean government, but the government is no one person, so your implying that all of congress and senate and so on believe this?
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Every third world country, huh? No.
But, as for every European and Asian power, yes. You are correct. But, that's not the point. The point wasn't that we're worse, it's that we're just as bad, and no matter who doesn't that doesn't make it right.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'd like to hear about what group of people that the US believes to be sub-human.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The words "believes to be sub-human" do not appear on that chart. But, if you are asking who the US has treated as subhuman, then I would like to point to the Japanese, and Indians.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->but in your context you mean government, but the government is no one person, so your implying that all of congress and senate and so on believe this? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am saying that at one time, the policy of the US government has been to do these things. Belief doesn't enter into teh equation. Actions do.
Jeebus, our Prime Minister is a tool... Malrouny is a tool... The Cabinet and Parliament are all tools!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Ever find out that the whole world sucks and everyone sucks but you can't kill everyone because of the legal ramnifications?
So, you just have to kill yourself.
Isn't that a shame.
Isn't that a darn shame.
*begins to sing...*
You know you want to, pull the trigger.
-Foamy the Squirrel from "Neurotically Yours" on Newgrounds.com
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, foamy said it best with that peice. Since Iraq knows the US sucks but cant do nuttin' he's [Saddam] just gonna go nuts and... well, you know what happens next.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
BOOM!
-Foamy a the end of the song.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
True, US does rule in weapons, and since Canada sucks so much as to only be "Peace Keepers" we dont have as big a military.
*FACT* Britan has more population that the whole of Canada, and Britan is (roughly) 1/5 to 1/6 the size! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
There really are no "surprise" inspections of any facilities, when there should be. If the Iraqi's intend to hide something, they have more than sufficient time to do so before the Inspectors arrive at their destination.
On the other hand, we can't just have random inspectors driving around in a 1980 Datsun saying "Hello Mr. Security Guard of the Baghdad Weapons Factory, I am from the United Nations Weapon Inspection Commission, and I would like entry to this facility to inspect it for illegal weapons of mass destruction". Tell me that guy wouldn't laugh in his face.
"More inspections more inspections, just a little more time" 12 years is not enough? We should have done something earlier but Clinton wanted to be re-elected, and during his second term was too busy getting sucked off and impeached to make war on anyone.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Canada isn't hated very much. By the way, just for note, if Canada wasn't such good friends with the US, the US would be long gone by now. We sell the US our resources and back them in wars, which is more than the US will probably ever do for Canada if we need it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I doubt the U.S. would be "long gone" if not for Canada. They've helped us out in the past, and help us to this day but we are not <i>dependant</i> on them as your message states. The United States could <b>survive</b> (I'm talking each individual person) normally purely on the land we stake claim to right now, but our way of life forces us to import a buttload of goods, and THAT is our weakness. It would, however, take a very massive embargo on the US to force us to do anything, and we'd take what we need by force in that situation.
Canada is not hated, save for the fact that they neighbor and ally with the US. I have heard nothing from them speaking completely for or against the war with Iraq - and I do pay attention to the news and things going on around me. France is against the war because they're afraid of getting their butts kicked like in the their last 3 wars (WW1, WW2, Korea) - in which the US and UK saved their hide.
My observation is that Canada is like the quiet kid in the back of the classroom who never speaks up - no one dislikes him but he don't got many friends, except for the people that are just like him.
And if Canada were to be forced into a "defensive war", the US would surely back them, unless we had complete schmucks for our President and his Cabinet. If a government that is allied and friendly with us is ousted by a government that is hostile with us, we'll once again have the threat of land-based attacks on our home turf, which hasn't been the case since the Civil War. I, for one, would not be willing to take that risk, and would fight alongside Canada if required.
That's me. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Except for the "No one dislikes him". I'm hated terribly for no reason in school. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> And I only have about 3 or 4 friends.
My apologies, I made a mistake there. Thankyou for the correction <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> My mistake was that I said British as opposed to Allied. You're quite correct, it was Norwegian forces.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You know the whole UN Inspector thing pisses me off. They drive around in big white Land Rovers with "UN" on every fender in huge blue letters, you could see them clearly with a satellite photo if the weather is decent.
There really are no "surprise" inspections of any facilities, when there should be. If the Iraqi's intend to hide something, they have more than sufficient time to do so before the Inspectors arrive at their destination.
On the other hand, we can't just have random inspectors driving around in a 1980 Datsun saying "Hello Mr. Security Guard of the Baghdad Weapons Factory, I am from the United Nations Weapon Inspection Commission, and I would like entry to this facility to inspect it for illegal weapons of mass destruction". Tell me that guy wouldn't laugh in his face.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
*sigh*
Ok, let's start going through this. Iraq doesn't HAVE any sattilites, the only warning they have is when the inspectors show up. There are suprise inspections, because the inspectors arn't telling the Iraqis where they're going to go. They just rock up and ask to be let in. And what do you know the Iraqis let them in every time. The inspectors have gone to all the places they originally couldn't go to last time and have found nothing. Oh, but according to you that's "proof" the Iraqis moved stuff. Need we remind you that all of Iraq is under constant US military surveilance. And yet they've seen no stuff being moved (Bring up the "evidence" Powell submitted to the UN and I'll just ignore you. Those photos were a joke and the world knows it).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Tell me that guy wouldn't laugh in his face.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ok. That guy wouldn't laugh in his face. He would ask for credentials, once presented he would let them in. Because if he DIDN'T said Un inspector would go back to his HQ and say "hey guys, they won't let us in here". Wow, does that constitute a breech of resolution 1441? By Flayra so it does. It'd be a week before the bombs started landing. Iraq has let the inspectors everywhere because it knows it's their only chance to avoid war (even though the US is making it clear that's not the case). The iraqs have not, and are not going to, refuse the inspectors entry anywhere. Could it be because *gasp* they actually don't have WMD!? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
If you want support for this war, show us something. By which we mean the inspectors finding an actual weapon of mass destruction. Barring that, show us a chemical weapons canister labelled "Made in Iraq 2002". Anything like this forthcoming? No, I thought not. Your leader is coming across as a beligerant fool. No wonder we neither support or respect him <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Indians are a conquered people, but America still gave them a place to go then assimilate the bunch and so on. IMO, Colonial America and pre-1900 never HAD to do anything for the Indians. Some Indians liked the Colonists/Americans, Some Colonists/Americans liked the Indians, Some Indians hated the colonists/americans, some colonists/americans hated indians. Plus Indians were on no basis a complete race if you want to argue that some were isolated by tribes and had no contanct with other indians. By traits, yes dark skin, dark hair but not necessarily all the same bloodline.
You have me confused on the Japanese, there was anti-japanese feelings during World War II, but we were in war, many people are going to like the country who just killed someone they love.
Admitted, it does not say believes to be subhuman. Treats as sub-human is a broad term, based purely on a persons point of view, although, for the sake of making the US bad we can surely assume that they treat everyone like animals.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am saying that at one time, the policy of the US government has been to do these things. Belief doesn't enter into teh equation. Actions do.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Of course belief enters the equation, your judging an entire country over nearly 3 centuries with 2 or 3 circumstances, which is ludicrous. Surely, we can easily accuse germany of being evil because of decades of the Nazi's. But surely, thats no reason to believe that there is something wrong with Germany, especially now.
Actually, they're primarily against it because of the billions of dollars they'd stand to lose if the government (and, therefore, outstanding oil contracts) of Iraq were to change hands. TotalFinaElf and others would be screwed.
Which is particularly irritating-- what the US government is doing bugs the living **** out of me, but to be lectured by Chirac-- who took a page out of Bush's playbook the other day and threatened the prospective EU members who <i>wouldn't</i> side with him, and wants to enforce the status quo in Iraq just to maintain France's profit margins, is just downright ludicrous.
Just because we're wrong, it don't mean that they're right.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You have me confused on the Japanese, there was anti-japanese feelings during World War II, but we were in war, many people are going to like the country who just killed someone they love.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I do believe that he was talking about the wholesale internment of Japaneese Americans during WWII. Nearly the entire Japaneese American population of the United States was placed into a few "Internment camps" throughout the country. These camps were only slightly better in quality than those housing Jews in Nazi Germany. However, I do not remember reading about any medical experiments or mass killing as was done to the Jews.
None the less, many famalies lost literally all but what was on their backs, and never got any of it back.
For an example of this, read or see Snow Falling on Cedars and a few others i cant remember at this moment.
I may eventually post a reply to the following statement as soon as the rage settles and I can formulate some thoughts(may take a while).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Admitted, Indians were mistreated. But, how does that make them subhuman or treated subhuman.
Indians are a conquered people, but America still gave them a place to go then assimilate the bunch and so on. IMO, Colonial America and pre-1900 never HAD to do anything for the Indians. Some Indians liked the Colonists/Americans, Some Colonists/Americans liked the Indians, Some Indians hated the colonists/americans, some colonists/americans hated indians. Plus Indians were on no basis a complete race if you want to argue that some were isolated by tribes and had no contanct with other indians. By traits, yes dark skin, dark hair but not necessarily all the same bloodline.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not naive enough to dismiss France's oil links but neither do I think that's purely the reason.
And besides, I needed 1 more post to make 300 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
EDIT: Wait a sec here I just saw that quote in the above thread. People who write that kind of stuff make me lose whatever faith I had in humanity. To the author: crawl up in a hole and die.
Next time you equal the European population with Chirac, a conservative French president who only got re-elected because the alternative was a neofascist, I'm going to beat you with a blunt polygon <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->