My Second Box

SpiffyJr · February 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">and I need to decide on an os</div> I've been running RH 7.3 and 8.0 vigoursly for that past few months now. I've got a second little box sittin here that I can toy with and I was wondering what distro I should go with. Slackware / debian / gentoo are all prospects. So, whatcha think?

JoeBlow · February 2003

I've been running gentoo for a while now, and I like it a lot.

playerhater · February 2003

If your looking for something new to try use YOPER. If you havent played with them yet I recommend Debian or Slackware.

verbose · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SpiffyJr @ Feb 13 2003, 03:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Slackware / debian / gentoo are all prospects. So, whatcha think?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Try all three, and see which one suits your style.

Tcquest78 · February 2003

Slackware is nice... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>
Gentoo has a nice package systems, but it loses it's novelty after a while. I used it for about...2 weeks then switched back to slack <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>.

backburn · February 2003

FreeBSD!!

www.freebsd.org

The ports collections rocks, its also the best internet realated OS.
Google uses it, it must be good! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

FreeBSD also has support for linux binaries (glibc).

-bb

masterswordman · February 2003

What do you use on your first box?, if you know what you use use it again.

Yeah, I also think freebsd would be good. In fact let me empthesize, make it cost less (box version), and I would support them. I don't remember how much it costs now a days.

SpiffyJr · February 2003

I'm sick of RedHat, seems to n00bie friendly <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> and although I'm a n00b to linux I want something that's gonna give me great performance and something I can learn on as well without all the nifty easy featuers. I'm leaning towards Gentoo but slackware is starting to to peak my interests.

JoeBlow · February 2003

I've used both slackware and gentoo, liked both. I get more performance out of my box (game server wise) with gentoo than i did with slack, and gentoo has a really cool package system. But you really can't go wrong with either one. Those are the two I always tell people to go with.

f3Rl3SS · February 2003

Yeah ... gentoo rocks!!!
Running a gentoo machine @ home & our gameserver also runns gentoo. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

f3Rl3SS · February 2003

@backrun:
actually ... portage (gentoos package system) is kinda clone from BSDs port system.

verbose · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (masterswordman @ Feb 13 2003, 04:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yeah, I also think freebsd would be good. In fact let me empthesize, make it cost less (box version), and I would support them. I don't remember how much it costs now a days.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
If you want to support the FreeBSD project, I recommend ordering media from one of:

FreeBSD Mall, Inc. <a href='http://www.freebsdmall.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.freebsdmall.com/</a>
Daemonnews, Inc. <a href='http://www.bsdmall.com/freebsd1.html' target='_blank'>http://www.bsdmall.com/freebsd1.html</a>

It will cost you 40 bones and no stones for the CDs. If you don't have the spare rocks, but have a fast internet connection, download the installation floppies and do an FTP installation.

Be warned, the linux_base port (linux binary compatibility) was recently busted a bit. I have a PR filed with a fix, but it hasn't made it into the ports tree yet. Check out <a href='http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/47573' target='_blank'>http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/47573</a> . The fix is a simple alteration to a few files before installing the port.

SpiffyJr · February 2003

Tryin to install Gentoo now and hrmm... not detecting my nic. It's a RealTek 8139... which module do I load from the list?

SpiffyJr · February 2003

NVM... fixed that... but jesus 5 filesystems... which to use? I'm used to ext2 and 3 from RedHat...

cracker_jackmac · February 2003

RieserFS is sweeeet. I'd use it

SpiffyJr · February 2003

Sure you answer me in here but not in mirc.

Eternal_Bliss · February 2003

Both my network servers run Debian, along with all the ISP machine's...
it's really pro and i like it, never hacked once and never crashed...

Tcquest78 · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Eternal Bliss @ Feb 13 2003, 08:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>it's really pro and i like it, never hacked once and never crashed...</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
No one has ever tried to root my box(that I know of... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>), and it gets a little dull trying to secure a box that no one is trying to crack. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

I wish I had a more script-kiddy friendly ISP...Then I could protect my apache server from all the latest IIS exploits!

Oh, and here's a little hijack:
Whats your current uptime? *grin*

Mine:
root@gw:/serv/hlds/ns/addons/amx/examples/wshare$ uptime
18:09:14 up 109 days, 5:20, 10 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

SpiffyJr · February 2003

Well, my uptime is 00:00:00 because I can't even get Gentoo installed! Argh.. the emerge sync sequence fails everytime and I can't do a ifconfig -a or ip addr to check if it's seeing my nic.

f3Rl3SS · February 2003

did you enter some dns servers in the resolve.etc?

cracker_jackmac · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SpiffyJr @ Feb 13 2003, 09:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well, my uptime is 00:00:00 because I can't even get Gentoo installed! Argh.. the emerge sync sequence fails everytime and I can't do a ifconfig -a or ip addr to check if it's seeing my nic.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
does lsmod show your nic?

i beleive u have the game as mine and your doing what i did. trying to install from rc1 instead of rc2

Tcquest78 · February 2003

Just go with Slackware.

It's better and it sounds cooler than gentoo....

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cracker_jackmac · February 2003

lol, if you run slack u have to update your gcc and glibc because it is packaged with 2.95.3 and like 1.2 glibc i found out....silly me

oh well...i'm trying to update mine but i keep failing on "iconv" sooooo i think i need to recompile gcc with i686 arch first...then glibc under i686...then REcompile gcc with athlon-xp arch.....then REcompile glibc with athlon-xp arch....and gcc for the last time with athlon-xp arch.

(btw, thats how gentoo does it...it just has a "emerge" script to do it for ya)

SpiffyJr · February 2003

Gentoo is downloading and compiling a crap load of stuff... from the 10k/sec downloading and the time it takes to compile... it'll be done by next week <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Tcquest78 · February 2003

What exactly is wrong with gcc 2.95? I've never had the need to update it....

Anyhoo, Spiffy, I hope you're not planning on compiling X or GNOME... It sucks mighty hard when you're sleeping hoping that you don't get any cryptic compile errors and you wake up to realize you've just wasted a nights worth of electricity.

I suppose if you're running a server you shouldn't be stupid enough to install them in the first place...

SpiffyJr · February 2003

I don't plan on installing them... is that the default? If it is then god help language filters...

Tcquest78 · February 2003

Nah, of course not <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>.

No *real* distro doesn't give you an easy way to opt out of installing all that new-fangled stuff. With gentoo, you've got to emerge the ebuild, so it's more of an opt-in thing. Now, we must convince spammers to take notes from gentoo...

SpiffyJr · February 2003

Good, I had win crap on *nix systems... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

wendigo · February 2003

I been using Linux since 1999 for servers. I used to love redhat, but recently it seems that the install for it is huge. A base install is like 1 gig, unless you trim stuff. Then of course you run into rpm depencies. So about 6 months ago I started mucking more with other distro's. I love Slackware for its simplicity, but for server you can't beat Debian3.0. I did just a base install (70 megs), then after reboot cancelled deslect or any other package install program. Instead I did 'apt-get install ssh', installed that and ran the rest of the install from my workstation box. Well inorder to get NS to run I had to add the following software:

gdb - debugger
screen - nice app to launch ns with
proftpd - nice secure ftp (dont open anonymous) used to upload files

Thats it!

My box now can run NS, CS, TOD and I didnt have to muck with all those rpm's. Just 'apt-get'.

Debian - My Linux choice

cracker_jackmac · February 2003

i have yet to give debian a serious try. I like the flexablity of gentoo but i have yet to get a successful install (only tried a few times...i know what my problem is just haven't tried again to fix it)

I'm using slackware 8.1 right now...but i have to update the glibc and gcc compiler <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

amoung other things...but i'm not disappointed.

verbose · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wendigo @ Feb 13 2003, 11:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> proftpd - nice secure ftp (dont open anonymous) used to upload files  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Plaintext passwords! Eeek!

Use SFTP or SCP. Good SFTP clients are hard to come by, that there's a wicked windows GUI'd SCP for those who don't have *nix workstations:

<a href='http://winscp.vse.cz/eng/' target='_blank'>http://winscp.vse.cz/eng/</a>

My Second Box

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