I Was Wonderin If I Could Make A Mod Similar To Ns

Saitoh_HajimeSaitoh_Hajime Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13706Members
Yo, i posted my mod idea on the planethalflife mod forums, (http://www.forumplanet.com/planethalflife/topic.asp?fid=1895&tid=967767), and i told them my idea, anyway my idea is there are 2 human factions fighting for the resources of a planet, and each faction has different class's and weapons, and i was thinking i MIGHT add vehicles to it. each faction has a commander, and the maps will mostly be wide open spaces with ruins of citys and stuff, so i was wondering if my mod idea would be ok, and also. they were totally dissing me on the planethalflife forums, saying i was ripping off natural-selection and not giving you guys any credit, which is NOT TRUE AT ALL. i was giving you guys credit, even posting your url. you guys are really cool, so lemme know, peace <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    LOL....
    oh wait...your serious..... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Banned
    somewhere between laughing and crying....
  • ObibunObibun Join Date: 2002-04-23 Member: 492Members
    hey, you know, if you want to make the mod, all the power to you

    but uh, good luck actually making the mod.

    talk is cheap. ;D
  • Saitoh_HajimeSaitoh_Hajime Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13706Members
    Oh well, i tryed. anyway, peace guys. NS is the best mod on half-life in my opinion <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Saitoh_HajimeSaitoh_Hajime Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13706Members
    oh by the way, the planethalflife mod community is very cruel, and unforgiving. i suggest if you have a mod idea look somewhere else... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • blue2kblue2k Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4025Members
    dood natural selection isnt orginal, all its gameplay has been seen in other games before. they just redid this on the hl engine. it always pisses me off when someone makes a counter terrorist mod, suddenly its a cs ripoff. dont people know cs was ripped from 1000 other games like rainbow6. there are very few original ideas being proposed for games now. developers prefer a tried and tested marketing strategy ie: aliens vs humans or counter terrorist vs terrorist, simply because they are popular and people will generally be happy with the content. remember ns wasnt the first (or the last) game to have aliens and humans in it, and the resource thing could be from lot of other games too. ns just did this on the hl engine, and that was original in a way, making a rts on a q1based old as arse engine, that <b><u>WAS</b></u> pretty impressive.
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--blue2k+Feb 18 2003, 04:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (blue2k @ Feb 18 2003, 04:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> dood natural selection isnt orginal, all its gameplay has been seen in other games before. they just redid this on the hl engine. it always pisses me off when someone makes a counter terrorist mod, suddenly its a cs ripoff. dont people know cs was ripped from 1000 other games like rainbow6. there are very few original ideas being proposed for games now. developers prefer a tried and tested marketing strategy ie: aliens vs humans or counter terrorist vs terrorist, simply because they are popular and people will generally be happy with the content. remember ns wasnt the first (or the last) game to have aliens and humans in it, and the resource thing could be from lot of other games too. ns just did this on the hl engine, and that was original in a way, making a rts on a q1based old as arse engine, that <b><u>WAS</b></u> pretty impressive. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Shhh!
    dont upset Flayra.... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Saitoh_HajimeSaitoh_Hajime Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13706Members
    where has this post gone? your not even talking about what the post was originally, but blue. you have a great point, peace out guys. im done, too much smack talk <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • HoMIciDaL_PuPPyHoMIciDaL_PuPPy Join Date: 2002-11-27 Member: 10091Members
    OMG A COMMANDER AND HUMANS?!?!?! WHAT A RIP-OFF!

    all the people that say your ripping ns off are mentally challanged and or non-intelligent

    your a rip-off?? for what having resources?? and a commander??? human vs human?? destroyed citites .... totally a rip-off of command and conquer (notice the oozy-ness of sarcasm)
  • PseudoKnightPseudoKnight Join Date: 2002-06-18 Member: 791Members
    edited February 2003
    Make the mod. More the merrier.

    As long as you don't steal art or code, concepts are free to disperse among the public. Thus is the gaming industry. However, you'll get alot of people saying you're ripping so and so off. So, if you can ignore rude people like that, go for it. Also, if the gameplay and concept is TOO similar to NS, the popularity of your mod will suffer. But this is all assuming that you can get a group together to create a mod that generates enough hype and attention based on it's gameplay and quality media.
  • Saitoh_HajimeSaitoh_Hajime Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13706Members
    edited February 2003
    OMG! nice people on forums <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> this makes me happy, wish i could say the same with PHL forums .... *cough* anyway ive decided to stick with my idea, i will NOT steal ANY code from natural-selection, but if they give me permission to use it, hell <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> im all for it, anyway. HoMIciDaL_PuPPy you have a great point, anyway. peace (umm anyone know where i should post for a mod team? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
  • DunsbyDunsby Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1042Awaiting Authorization
    Command and Conquer / Comamnd and Conquer Renegade anyone?
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    hey! im nice 2 Saitoh Hajime!...
    Silent But Violent trys too hard! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    its rare that i apologise for sarcastic comments...but...
    im sorry.

    happy?
    now make that mod and ill see you in about...two years? ok bye!
  • TantalusTantalus Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13707Members
    edited February 2003
    Howdy guys, I figured that as Theo/(Whatever he called himself over here) was insulting us behind our backs, somebody should come over and chat to you guys...

    We're not a bad bunch, we just tried to break it to him gently that nobody would play his mod even if he did get it started, and he started with the offensive defence. I personally think that NS is a great mod, and that people should aspire to make mods equal to it's greatness; what they shouldn't aspire to do is make mods in it's image, that is not good.

    Theo, HoMIciDaL_PuPPy doesn't really make a good point; he just insults us all without knowing us, and that makes you feel right. Could you please stop being so childish, and could you please stop insulting everybody over at PHL? We're very supportive of people who can present a good idea, and we try to help those who can't by telling them what is wrong with what they have. In your case, you just started off with "I want to make NS, but with vehicles" so can you understand what we thought?

    Well, thanks for your time guys, and I hope we can all still operate on friendly terms; if you want to read the thread at PHL (which I really think you should, so you have a knowledge of the argument) then <a href='http://www.forumplanet.com/planethalflife/topic.asp?fid=1895&tid=967767' target='_blank'>here's a clicky link</a>.
  • Saitoh_HajimeSaitoh_Hajime Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13706Members
    edited February 2003
    everyone on the Ns forums are cool, TANATALUS GO BACK TO THE PHL FORUMS, you are a jerk that thinks your trying to help people
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    i sense a *LOCKED* coming along...but its nice that Saitoh Hajime thinks we are cool <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Saitoh_HajimeSaitoh_Hajime Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13706Members
    yea, i agree with you super. i believe this post is gonna get locked, and soon. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • TantalusTantalus Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13707Members
    edited February 2003
    Saitoh, could you let the members of this board post? I'm just here to let them know the other side of the story, as is fair; if one of the moderators decides that is not a good idea, then ok, but I won't be drawn into a flame war with you here, I came to talk, not to battle...
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    edited February 2003
    its ok Tantalus...we understand.. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> (sorry but no sarcasm detected...he came here to apologise after all right? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> )
  • Saitoh_HajimeSaitoh_Hajime Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13706Members
    did i sense a hint of sarcasm super? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    P.S. tantalus i posted the link to PHL post, they know the other side of the story
  • supadupaflysupadupafly Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8534Members
    if you want to know if it's ok to take an idea from a mod... wth are you asking it on some forum?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->

    go directly to the one that made the mod... send them a mail caus it's they that deside it.. not someone that only play it....
  • TantalusTantalus Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13707Members
    I certainly hope you didn't detect sarcasm, because I'm making a genuine effort... Saitoh, the link you gave was not only in text form, but it was also tricky to notice; I was making sure that everybody is able to see your childishness regarding our criticism. A sign of maturity is the ability to take criticism, and you obviously lack this quality. If you can produce a valid idea, then us guys over at PHL would be more than happy to discuss it with you, and help you develop it; but if you're going to run off sulking when we tell you it might not be such a good idea, then you're probably best off staying away.

    In the meantime, I don't think I'm really doing anything wrong in here, though if I genuinly am, feel free to tell me (not you Saitoh, I know what you'll say) so I guess I'll enjoy the road-trip...
  • FantasmoFantasmo Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7369Members
    edited February 2003
    All the power and luck to you Saitoh Hajime.

    You do realize that the distance between a Idea and a Finished Mod is like the distance from Earth to Saturn. It's not an impossible distance to cover but it'll take lots of time, undying dedication, and a pretty knowledgable development team.

    I think your idea would make an intersting Mod, have you considered UT2003 though? Vehicles in HL is like trying to give yourself head. Everyone has tried it, but <i>nobody</i> has been successful. UT2003 seems to be able to facilitate all your ideas as well as have the ability to do large-scale outdoor maps.

    HL engine is great, it is popular, but it is also limited.

    NS pushed HL editing to the max and just when it could take no more Flayra pushed it even further... but Flayra is a professional programmer with the money, time, and experience.

    If you have the equvilent skills and abilities then yeah, I would love to play your mod.
  • Saitoh_HajimeSaitoh_Hajime Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13706Members
    Fantasmo, thats a great idea! ill look into UT2k3. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Tantalus, no hard feelings man. im only 15 years old, i guess i still have alot of maturing to do..
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    edited February 2003
    yeah...the U2K3 engine rocks.
    good luck with it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    and Tantalus, i think it was good of you to come over here and apologise.
    well done. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Saitoh_HajimeSaitoh_Hajime Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13706Members
    will do <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> thanks for the advice and stuff, peace
  • TantalusTantalus Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13707Members
    Thanks Saitoh, and the same to you. Also, your visit here does seem to have been of benefit; Fantasmo has come up with a great idea, in trying to utilize UT2k3. If you would care to avoid using NS as a comparison (always a fatal error) then you could start trying to write a proposal. If you do so wish, you can post it on PHL; I'll even tell DHM to play nice this time, providing you can come up with something good.

    I think you have the ability to come up with something good; you just haven't put in the necessary time and thought. One other thing I'd suggest, is that you actually poke though (or wade through in some cases) some code, just so you can see how difficult it really is.
  • FantasmoFantasmo Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7369Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Saitoh Hajime+Feb 18 2003, 06:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Saitoh Hajime @ Feb 18 2003, 06:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Fantasmo, thats a great idea! ill look into UT2k3. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Tantalus, no hard feelings man. im only 15 years old, i guess i still have alot of maturing to do.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well if you're 15 and an aspiring Mod maker I think Flayra would make a fine person to look up too.

    NS 1.0 was probably one of the finest Mods to be released from a Design/Idea Implimentation/Programming point of view, I don't think the HL Mod community could disagree with that.

    And the gameplay is hella fun, but that's my opinion.

    I think the fact that you apologized shows that you are ahead of your pack when it comes to 15 year olds online in general.

    <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Again, best of luck.
  • Saitoh_HajimeSaitoh_Hajime Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13706Members
    well its been fun talkin to all you, im gonna go look into UT2k3 now. hopefully i actually get my idea off the ground, and people support it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> PEACE ALL!
  • TantalusTantalus Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13707Members
    edited February 2003
    I just made <a href='http://www.forumplanet.com/planethalflife/topic.asp?fid=1895&tid=967767&p=2#9787347' target='_blank'>this post</a> over at PHL regarding the continued discussion that took place here; it should leave you fully open for a return, and without any trouble. Oh, and I also set the crew loose on CrazySketch; he should learn not to blindly follow the pack, when he has no clue which direction they are running in...
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