My Proggy

monkeymaster · February 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">3rd person + scoreboard ,no flaming kids</div> ok as you know, or most prolly DONT know, im working on my little program for nS, ive called it eS ( electric selection ) LOL the only reason i called it that is because i like electricity <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>. well my program so far has some say commands for marines eg: for when u need health and ammo or structure at a certain place, so u dont have to type it, and a scoreboard at the top showing your frags and deaths. i was thinking of adding a 3rd person feature, now i am one of those ( very phew ) people that like 3rd person simply because it makes the game at least 70% more fun, not because you can look behind walls ( wich is silly cause u always die trying to do it anyway ) but because you get to see all the funny animations by the models ( especially in NS ) and, well, basically i just think its way more fun, and funny. BUT there is a problem with the 3rd person scripts that people have made todey, thats why i want to make my own.

Problem 1: you can see around walls if u can be botherd doing it.

Problem 2: the cursor always gets in the way.

Solution for 1: maybe i can try restricting turning to a certain degree, but then more problems come up.

solution for 2: i will try find a way to make it so when ever your body get in the way it goes transparent.

oh and also im still having second thought about releasing this to the public for

reason 1: people complain and might think its a hack of somesort just because they dont like it ( i respect that, thats why i might keep it to my self )

reason 2: because of reason 1 someone might give my program to an admin and find a way to disable my program, then all the people that like it will get banned.

so wot your guys think ?, and dont flame cause i really dont care about the stupid kids that wanna sit there and flame, if you dont like my prog just dont use it, theres your solution.

so once again, WOT YA THINK! ? ( about the 3rd person feature ) ( ill put it in weathure you want me to or not BUT i just wanna know wot you guys think of it )

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Nemesis_Zero · February 2003

<span style='color:white'>***Moved.***</span>

In my opinion it <i>is</i> a cheat. If you code 3rd person, please do us all a favor and keep it to yourself.

monkeymaster · February 2003

yeah well theres 1 vote for keep to my self <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> need more MORE I TELL YOU, oh and thanks to da admin that closed that thread with the scripts n all that, it was getting silly. cmon guys REPLY

heathenSlayer · February 2003

If you are making a hook, then technically it is a hack, but not necessarily a cheat.

Stoneburg · February 2003

I wouldn't use it because I don't like 3:d person.

What sort of feedback are you looking for anyway?

If there was a proxy that would transmit location I would be interested. (ie: At the press of a button say "Need Med-Kit in Reactor Room" for example)

monkeymaster · February 2003

so wot do you think ? you think my proggy suxors and u wish i neva made it or you think its not bad ?

just remmember the scoreboard on it is mostly for ME only cause im a stats ( something that rimes wif MORE ) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'>

KILL EM ALL

Hozart1 · February 2003

Well, if they wanted a third person feature they would have put it in (like in The Specialists). I vote for keep it to yourself.

monkeymaster · February 2003

so far ive only does that say commands for NS_BAST, this it how it is ( but looks nicer <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> )

-MENU-
SAY COMMANDS -> MAP -> NS_BAST -> HEALTH - > ->DOCKING BAY ( COMM CAN I HAVE A MEDPACK AT DOCKING BAY PLEASE )

thats sortov how it is but ive done it for ns_bast and done only health and structures at all the sections, saves you typing heeps hey.

Ollj · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (monkeymaster @ Feb 23 2003, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> so far ive only does that say commands for NS_BAST, this it how it is ( but looks nicer <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> )

-MENU-
SAY COMMANDS -> MAP -> NS_BAST -> HEALTH - > ->DOCKING BAY ( COMM CAN I HAVE A MEDPACK AT DOCKING BAY PLEASE )

thats sortov how it is but ive done it for ns_bast and done only health and structures at all the sections, saves you typing heeps hey.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
A more complex command men? is great.
3rd person and own Kills/death is the worst suggestion you can make here.

monkeymaster · February 2003

why is it a bad idea for my scoreboard ?

Tzarcon · February 2003

The scoreboard is a horrible idea because the marine scores in NS were taken out for a reason. We dont want people who can see through walls with this third person thing getting hyped up over a score.

Do the world a favour and dont release it

Mart · February 2003

I vote that you abandon this project, NS was made like it is because that's how it was <b>meant</b> to be played. No scoreboard is supposed to encourage marine team-work, 3rd person isn't included because of the unfair advantage. So I suggest you abandon it or keep it to yourself, before this turns into another 3rd person/bhopping/scoreboard thread.

Doombringer · February 2003

NS is geared more towards teamwork, and less towards individual statistics. Having stats like your own score/frags tends to lead towards going "Rambo" and racking up as many kills as you can get, ala most FPS deathmatch games. Most of the scoring in NS is disabled at this point, and many players are calling for ALL scoring to be removed (and I think the developers are listening), so... I agree... don't include scoring.

And no 3rd person, NS was never intended for 3rd person gaming.

SemperFi1 · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Feb 23 2003, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> In my opinion it <i>is</i> a cheat. If you code 3rd person, please do us all a favor and keep it to yourself.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
What he said.

Supernorn · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (||SemperFi|| @ Feb 23 2003, 04:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Feb 23 2003, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> In my opinion it <i>is</i> a cheat. If you code 3rd person, please do us all a favor and keep it to yourself. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
What he said.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I Second that...there is a whole post on why Third-person mode is bad...go search for it.

DizzyOne · February 2003

I would suggest u forget the 3rd person, becuz everyone above doesnt like it, but still make the say commands, becuz that would be very helpful! If u finish that could u post it on the forum without the 3rd pv <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> ?.

Hozart1 · February 2003

I'd like to download the scores plugin, sure it degrades teamwork and what not, but I'd actually like to see how many kills I've gotten so far when my commander is being retarded.

Supernorn · February 2003

you could always type "status" in the console, and look yourself....

AcKz · February 2003

3rd person is hard to look around corners? Umm, ok

Acrylic · February 2003

how are u planning on doing all this stuff? sounds to me you are going to use a hook, the time 1.1 comes out it will have VAC and then will be considered a cheat and you will becom banned for a period of time...I say you forget it, also to you people who want the say commands, just use the same old:
bind "h" "impulse 10; say_team Commander I need a health pack"
or get a headset
(ex: the intergrated IRC chat for HL & CS)

Killymagee · February 2003

Marine score for NS?

<b>PLAY NICE.</b>

I vote for you to keep it to YOURSELF.

JusticeBlade · February 2003

Keep it to yourself <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>. It would bring up conflicts that no one wants. But its your program and don't stop doing what you love <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> hell make a mod if you want!

Ego · February 2003

scorebords are horrible for ns.. all you get is trouble and stupid Csers coming and complaing how ' hey you took my kill! "

i suggest,

remove the 3rd person ( its no good, too easy to cheat with )

remove score board.. ( who cares, just makes rambos, i HATE rambos, go play cs you stupid rambos! )

i LOVE the idea of the complex menu like " i need medpack at vaiaduct " very useful for the new comander that way he can find you easyer etc.

if you keep PERSONAL scoreboard in, it WILL ruin the experence as everyone will be ' look at my 1337 haxor score ooo leet '

3rd person, well frankly i like sneaking up as a skulk, but i dont want to be a marine and know that some skulk is facing the other way so he can see me coming around a corner... ( idealy he should use his sound and if im parasited ),

get rid of 3rd person and scoreboard. they RUIN the experience

otherwise, keep it to yourself, and delete it..

Ego

[FACT] - i am always correct

*edit* why do you think voog, REMOVED scores?? c o n f l i c t s ... jebus..*

Propain · February 2003

Any hack/cheat/whatever which makes you play worse is a-ok with me.
The only benafit from 3rd person which affects gameplay is being able to see around corners. That's not enough of one for me to care.

I guess this needs to be repeated a couple times before it sinks into peoples brains. The command "status" will open up all the info about the server, including all the info about everyone playing on it, which also includes kills. You can see how well you're doing, kills wise, at any time you want, with or without the scoreboard.

ShuflY · February 2003

I don't think hiding the marine score has had the effect people were hoping for, bad players still rambo because they don't know what to do, and good players rambo because the commander doesn't know what to do, I don't think hiding the scoreboard has done anything to improve how a marine team works on a pub server, the commander affects that way more than the scoreboard would.

I check my score anyways using the 'status' command, so it's not like I care one way or another, I'm already able to see the marine scores.

3rd person = lame...

Smoke_Nova · February 2003

Get rid of the 3rd person.Sure, you can do it without the proggy but it's arcane knowledge right now.

Keep the personal scoreboard but just have Death's, so you can see if you improve at staying alive.

I like the idea of the location sayer, Action Half-Life had a very friggin sweet thing like that, where %n is the name, %l is the location and %h is your health.

ShadowXOR · February 2003

I want to at least try using 3rd person just for the hell of it. I hated people who used stopcommandermode, but I tried it out for one round on a server, had some pretty good fun, but never did it again really.

Lindstrom · February 2003

I vote for just the location sayer and dump the rest, its not suppost to be in NS and I'm a believer in letting the creators decide what goes in and what doesn't (cust models and sounds are different). Besides, hopefully soon aliens won't have scoreboards either so we'll all be even.

Typhon · February 2003

Why in the world does everyone hate vanilla? Vanilla is a great flavor.

SemperFi1 · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Typhon @ Feb 23 2003, 04:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Why in the world does everyone hate vanilla? Vanilla is a great flavor.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
lol good one <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

The_Spectre · February 2003

My vote? Keep it simple, just the location names in say binds, that sounds excellent.

Feel free to keep third person and marine scores to yourself....

Now that I'm reading the thread, I see this is what most people want. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

My Proggy

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