Heres A Idea For Mappers Making But Outdoor Maps
Shask
Join Date: 2002-12-18 Member: 11083Members
Join Date: 2002-12-18 Member: 11083Members
<div class="IPBDescription">look inside for the idea .</div> How about on big outdoor maps make func_trains and lets the big onos chace u like a t-rex lol. (i love Jurassic Park) cause it would be fun if u ask me. and make like diff vehicles tho.. like a Jeep, and other stuff. and have each speed of them diff so ya have to pick wisly or boom u get eating out of that slow little car <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->. how ya like the idea <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.??
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For story ideas, the colonial scientist's there discovered a "nano-umbrella", if u like a device that could enable the teleportation of nanites to within a few km's of the trasmitter.
If you made the level correctly, it would be quite functional. Think about the mechanic's of it, if every hive was inside a cave, the marine spawn was inside a dropship, itself inside the base being reclamed. There would be tunnels from the inside of the facility out, and large canyon's for people to lerk and JP around.
The point is, Canyons are outsideness with limitations - they aren't the rolling hills, they arent 200000km long, they are twisty, narrow, have caves and vents and hidden spots.... and if you are a marine walking along the shadowing bottom of a canyon, seeing 4 skulks jump off ledges high above you and hitting the "terminal velocity" that HL imposes and seeing them float down would be funny <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
So flame all you will, you narrow minded people. This isn't not helping NS by discouraging the theme, its taking the theme and giving it new meaning <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Stopping the Kharaa taking over a planet...
Hell, make it the newly discovered planet had caves dripping with nano-sludge - thats where the hives are built, and why the scientists were there
God damn, i could write a whole backstory on it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
So, comments anyone?
My only comment is this.
If you want honest feedback on your ideas, it's best not to pre-label every person who might disagree with you as "narrow minded". Anyone's ideas, whether they agree with yours or not, are just as valid as your own.
Hey, I've been hoping for an outdoor map since the first time I attempted to fly as a Lerk.
I don't believe I'd fit into the 'narrow minded' category, as I've probably thrown out at least a few ideas to make an outdoor environmnent feasible. I'm supportive of anyone who attempts to make one, and I might even try it myself if/when I get my own project out of the way. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
If you don't care whether or not your map becomes official, then knock yourself out. I think a Starship Troopers-style map could be really cool and fun, but I'd ask for one thing - make it night-time. (:< Lighting in caves could be provided by patches of phosphorescent moss, perhaps... or one or more of them could be mine shafts, lit by minimal bare lightbulbs & such.
OMG I just thought of a way to make the nano tech possible. cover the map with the entities that deny a comm from building. Then, have "nano units" (As stated above) that when activated, disable the brushes, allowing the comms to build.
Anyway point being, I'm gonna damn learn to map, and show you all that a suitable, playable OUTDOOR map can be created, and can become official. If i can fit it in this year (im doing gr12 at school, and under a bit of pressure) i'll learn to map just to spite those who can't see beyond the "outdoor is bad" bandwagon.
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If you're doing it because it's what you really want to do, regardless of whether or not it's official, more power to you. No one can, will, or should even try to stop you. It's your decision to make; your map to construct.
If you're doing it just to spite people or prove someone wrong, I strongly recommend a different hobby.
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<i>(Note: I am not at all attempting to convey any sort of hostility in this post. I am dead serious, and would really like an answer. Also note that this has been an ongoing issue in the past. There is no way anyone would be making such a big deal out of this if the recent forest thread was the first instance of these ideals clashing. We're not THAT crazy. ;) )</i>
But those clashing ideals or opinions are totally irrelevant at this point:
I want you (and anyone who doesn't know what the heck is going on here) to realize that what has been labeled as the "'outdoors is bad' bandwagon", is not at all what you're thinking. It's actually the official stance on the issue! :) That is, the guys who made the game, and who will be deciding what ends up official, and what doesn't (!!) are the ones who decided this.
Then, there are the people who feel obligated to at least warn any mapper having a go at it that his map sadly won't be able to go official if it's an off themed outdoors map. Because, remember, that is a fact. Not something that's up for debate.
I swear to you, that it's not just a bunch of attention seekers going out behind the developer’s backs, and warding off any sort of creativity in the forums, or some crazy idea like that. :) I really, truly, am crushed when someone tries to warn that mapper, and ends up on the receiving end of insults and claims of narrow-mindedness. :/ No one should have to put up with that, just like the mapper shouldn't be flamed for the idea in the first place (chances are, he just didn't know! Hence, the desire to warn him). Especially considering that it isn't his decision in the first place! :X Again, it was the developers that decided this.
Now, NecromanZer, if you do reply to this, I'd really like it if you'd please explain to me why you believe this is wrong of us to do (or anyone with similar views, for that matter). To warn that mapper. I really, honestly, don't understand why. :/ The map will not become official; it's not something that is debatable. I think we all need to understand this. The recent ns_forest post obviously got out of hand, and it was not necessary for THAT many people to tell him. But I think we all know that the point, or topic, had changed from that after the second reply to what we're now bickering over now.
There were two things I tried to emphasis in that post:
1). That a mapper who posts about doing an outdoors map should NOT be flamed about the idea. But, he does deserve the knowledge that outdoors maps won't be accepted officially, in case he decides to opt out of the idea, in favor of potential official inclusion. Please note that I am <i>totally</i> against someone coming in and yelling at the mapper to "READ THE EFFING FAQ NUB!", or commenting with a "OMG, JUST STOP TRYING! You want to map outdoors, go back to CS! IT WONT HAPPEN IN NS!". But I do hope that a polite note to this person about the policy (only one) could be placed in the thread without it being ripped apart?
And,
2). That those (and there really only need be one person in each post to do it) who warn him of this official stance, created by the game developers themselves, do NOT need to become subject of a slew of insults and claims of lack of creativity or narrow-mindedness. Nor does anyone need to insist on doing a buddy approach with the mapper, telling him to "not listen to those bandwagon groupies over there that want to keep the game in their vision", thus giving him the illusion that we're just spitting out a bunch of hogwash, and should be ignored. <i>When all we wanted to do was help him.</i>
Do you have any idea how frustrating that is? I just don't understand it!
Anyway. Please, please, please do reply, and explain what is flawed in those two above points or statements (I can only assume that you believe that they are indeed flawed, because they are the only things I was trying to get across in that thread, and seem to be mauled at in your response here). :| Address them individually, give a generalized answer, I don't care! I just want to know what's going on here.
On a final side note, may you have success with your venture with mapping. It can be an overwhelmingly fulfilling experience. But please approach it with intentions other than to spite someone (especially if it's against those who are simply warning others of a policy that you don't agree with). :/ That's just wrong, man. You'll get a lot more out of it, and find yourself having a ton more fun, if you do it with the sole intentions of contributing to your own, and others', enjoyment. :)
That is exactly why I said what i said what i did.
A friendly approach can go a long way, some of the posts by people telling him it would never be excepted carried a tone that upon reading, conveys a non-friendly approach :|
Anyway thank you KFS, for being considerate and understanding. I'm still fully into this map, and I'm not just doing it to spite people, I've been interested in mapping for awhile and have been doing 3D modelling for a few years, so hopefully it won't take a huge amount of time to pick up.
Ive got some great ideas for the map, but I'll reveal em later sometime with some layout sketches and a back-story
Sorry I took so long to reply, I'm an admin at my local LAN, and we had a LAN this weekend so I didnt sleep <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
No matter how good an outdoors map is in terms of gameplay, design, etc., it will never be official. Harsh, but true. This is something that was decided on a long time ago. This is in the same category as sniper rifles and marine blood, two other things that NS will never have. Flayra doesn't want them, and they would too dramatically change the atmosphere and feel of the game on the whole.
No matter how good an outdoors map is in terms of gameplay, design, etc., it will never be official. Harsh, but true. This is something that was decided on a long time ago. This is in the same category as sniper rifles and marine blood, two other things that NS will never have. Flayra doesn't want them, and they would too dramatically change the atmosphere and feel of the game on the whole. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What's wrong with marine blood? Trying to keep things appropriate for the 2-5 year old audience?
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