Pistol Is A Sidearm, Not A Railgun.

Gibby · March 2003

I don't know if the insane accuracy of the pistol is being fixed in 1.1 or not, but all it takes is a script kiddy and a bit of autofire scripting, and the pistol is better than the LMG. It makes so very little sense to have the Pistol, a backup weapon, a supplement to the LMG, be preffered over the LMG. Longer barrel = better accuracy, but that's not being shown by the current model.

I'm sure a few of you agree.

Supernorn · March 2003

the pistol is meant to be incredibly accurate, so, in short... no, it wont be fixed. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Mazdek · March 2003

I'm not going to argue why the Devs did it that way or if its an oversight, but when I am teaching my CS clan-mates how to play NS, I tell them that if they're a Marine guarding a long area where the aliens have to cover some ground before they get to you, empty your pistol first. Their CS aiming skills should take out a skulk or two on a single clip, and if anything gets too close just pull out the LMG and spray.

I first noticed this tactic by someone on a pub wearing a clan tag, and started to try it out. Works wonders in the opening game.

MonsieurEvil · March 2003

The pistol will definitely be changing for NS 1.1. I will leave it at that for now.

Supernorn · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Mar 3 2003, 10:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The pistol will definitely be changing for NS 1.1. I will leave it at that for now. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
awwww...but the pistol is cool. I like the fact that it fires as fast as you hit the button...stupid script kiddies..ruin everything.

mojojojo · March 2003

MonsE... you tease

Da_Sarge · March 2003

I would love to use the pistol more often, but my computer suffers from a bad case of "Pistol Lag". I can never get more than 2 shots off (usually less) in 10 seconds. I would be frantically hitting my mouse button tryin to get it to fire, but the marine must be falling asleep on me or something. Not a problem with the game I assume, just my terrible comp.

CEldin · March 2003

Yea, I'm glad they are changing it. Often times kiddies with scripts are able to take out fades ridiculously well. Fire at it with a round with LMG then use pistol (aim and make sure to hit it, script fires all bullets) thats 200 damage with one click....kinda hurts

MMZ_Torak · March 2003

I just wanted to get on the first page of what is about to be a very long thread. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

folk · March 2003

let me say it again: what you call script kiddies are people that have a better finger than you.

Da_Sarge · March 2003

Well...I thought people would have brought this question up by now, but I guess I'll do it myself. WHAT CHANGES COULD THERE BE TO OUR BELOVED PISTOL?!?! Maybe ROF? Clip size? Model change? Damage increase/decrease? More recoil? QUESTION QUESTIONS!! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

Supernorn · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (folk @ Mar 3 2003, 11:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <span style='color:red'>*Nuked*</span> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
someone is in a bad mood. Grow up please. <img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

[edit] lol, MonsE. [/edit]

Anyway, to answer Sarges elaborate question, i think the pistol will fire alot slower. Thats about it i think...i mean..what else can you do with it?

[edit]
Well, i guess you could change the design of the pistol, but thats not really a game-changing element. My bet is on a slower fire rate. Or a lower damage rate.
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Roobubba · March 2003

Ever one to spot a happy thread turning sour, Roobubba popped his ugly little head in to say HELLO <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

I wub the pistol, please don't nerf it <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

lol MonsE, I saw what was there before <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

TheWizard · March 2003

Well, why shouldnt the pistol be accurate? it is being fired by well trained soldiers wearing a form of power armor. With nanotech backing up their aim and coordination.

The distances involved in NS are not over 30 meters. I have no trouble hitting a target with a pistol from 1890 at 30 meters. So I would imagine unless the TSA moved back to a smoothbore black powder design their pistols are a bit better than the one I can shoot so well.

PS: you should really check out the world record for a revolver. Its close to 12 shots dead center in less than 3 seconds.

THAT INCLUDES RELOADING THE REVOLVER <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'> that guy kicks ****.

TheHornet · March 2003

i like the way the pistol is now, it wasa stated in the manual as: </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>This is more than a last resort weapon – the clever Frontiersman will make use of its perfect accuracy and impressive range. Its looping kinetic reload means that it takes the recoil energy from each shot and uses it to reload and recharge – so there is barely any kick, and it fires as fast as you can pull the trigger. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

so i dont think its an accident the way it is today.

Haunted · March 2003

I think the only thing I would change with the pistol is the rate of fire. Right now, it is way too fast, and makes it very difficult for skulks to satisfy their hunger.

Da_Sarge · March 2003

*Waits patiently for MonsE to give us some kind of indication to what will happen with the pistol in 1.1*

Nether · March 2003

Pistol is fine how it is. Please leave it be Flayra

Supernorn · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nether @ Mar 3 2003, 11:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Pistol is fine how it is. Please leave it be Flayra  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Flayra isnt here...muhahaa.
hes at a games developer conference...

Da_Sarge · March 2003

[Dreams]
Lasersight would be COOOL. Imagine being a skulk walking through maintenance hall on ns_hera (?) and seeing a red dot fill up your HUD.....*drool*
[/Dreams]

Private_Coleman · March 2003

argh! stop drooling on me!

i hate it how all the devs dont reveal stuff properly and speak in riddles...

PvtLohne · March 2003

They're going to change the pistol? To what? How? The only reason anyone uses it as it stands is becuase of it's insane accuracy. If 1.1 has a pistol that fires with "just" the accuracy of the lmg(which to my ex cs eyes is beautifully accurate, I admit), they'll be no reason to use the tiny clipped thing. In a game consisting of exactly /6/ weapons, I think it's okay to ask for a little balance BETWEEN the weapons, thus giving you a reason to use any at all most any time. Nerf the pistol, and you may as well take it out. I chuck mine on spawn anyway, ever since finding out what you carry slows you down. Spawn, lmg ammo, chuck the pistol, get on with your short marine life going alot faster than you were.

Yet another thing brought up and nerfed, I guess....though he DID just say "change". I could see a little accuracy drop if...I dunno..the clip size doubled or something, or you could carry more than a TOTAL of 4 clips, all 10 shots each....but I state agian, unless they turn that thing into some .50 calibur monstor that fires once every second but'll drop a carapced skulk at 50 yards, nearly any change will probably just make it even less loved than it is.

Da_Sarge · March 2003

Don't say that till you see it. I am just SPECULATING but I bet damages for weapons will be tweaked as well, on marine and alien side. This is just a GUESS, but it sounds like something that might be done. But as for pistol, I dunno what is gonna happen. I posted a whole variety of changes that could happen. We'll have to wait n see.

sekdar · March 2003

if it wasn't for ways to fire the pistol absurdly fast, it'd be 100% perfect as a weapon.

and folk, it's not just people who can finger mash. there <b>are</b> scripts that empty the clip almost instantly. I've wrote one myself for demonstration purposes.

Dread · March 2003

Its starting to seem that they change EVERYTHING for 1.1, gj <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Ontopic:
Pistol is the only weapon Marines have to use in long ranges and which actually is effective(does a lot damage/bullet). So hopefully they won't change it too much.

Da_Sarge · March 2003

If the devs could change one weapon drasitcally, which would it be?

In my opinion, I would vote for the LMG. If it did a little less damage, but, let's say, a 75 clip, I think that would be great. For some of us marines with a terrible shot (Hate to admit it...but I am one of them) that would be a great improvement.

As for the weapon that should stay as is...THE SHOTGUN. I love that weapon, and it seems to me,it is VERY under appreciated. A great whallop in a small priced pouch, a very good weapon for early,mid and late parts of ANY game. A HA squad wouldn't be complete without a shottie up front or guarding the back.

PvtLohne · March 2003

I agree with you whole heartedly Sarge, on both the lmg(well, minus a damage kick down) and the shotgun....hmm....actuelly they could tighten that cone of fire up a FRACTION, /but/...still. I agree.

It's just I like the pistol, that's all. It's the only way to hit a lerk some times, it's the weapon of choice in hallways and any other situation that requires accuracy..I just don't want it "messed" with, for fear any change will be negative.

eve_playerone · March 2003

pistol = only good long ranged weapon.
bind mwheeldown +attack is hardly a script(kiddies).
pistol is fine leave it alone =p

Zel · March 2003

i love the pistol as is. i think i heard somewhere that the proposed change is to make a mandatory millisecond delay in firing, so the pistol will still be awesome for legit people, but not a railgun for skr1pt3rs.

i would never use a railgun type script, i would rather not miss with a full clip, if you know what i mean

Ollj · March 2003

<b>Ah jeah cool, lets make all accurate weapons innacurate because ppl cant make cheats for those.</b>

The pistol is much better in long range and its good that way.
Try some aiming between the shots and its great.

Speed_2_Dave · March 2003

um, the only pet peeve I have with the pistol is that I *LOSE* it whenever someone gives me mines... can't I just drop my knife, or something?

Played a few rounds today. I was much better with the 50 rounds in the LMG than with the 10 for pistol. I used those 10 to soften up prey, I mean skulks, before shooting them with my remaining 20 shots of LMG one time. Worked like a charm, but it was dumb luck.

Pistol Is A Sidearm, Not A Railgun.

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