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jonesdaniel11jonesdaniel11 Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13387Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Which should i use?</div> Hi, i have a 128 mb ram, 666mhz pentium 3 geforce 4 mx 420 v card. Need to know if i will/can be able to play in 1024 without loosing too much fps. Also how much, roughly, fps do i lose from switching from 800x600 to 1024 ? and one more thing <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> Is it RAM i want or more MHZ i want to speed up the fps? Thanks for any help given

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  • PropagandhiPropagandhi Join Date: 2002-11-23 Member: 9741Members
    With NS, you should probably get both... Make sure you have PC133 ram, too.

    Oh yeah... You might wanna stick to 800x600 until you upgrade a little.

    But just give 1024x768 a try anyway.
  • nothingnothing Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9231Members
    If you have to choose between upgrading RAM or upgrading CPU, I would recommend RAM in your particular situation. 128 seems very thin, especially if you are using a newer operating system (win2000, winXP). Of course, upgrading both wouldn't hurt.
  • killswitchkillswitch Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13141Members, Constellation
    How do you check what your FPS rate is again?
  • jonesdaniel11jonesdaniel11 Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13387Members
    once i get the money, im upgrading to 512Ram, which ive been told should let me play the game with a pretty nice fps, and is it true that some ram comes with mhz?
  • PropagandhiPropagandhi Join Date: 2002-11-23 Member: 9741Members
    I figure I should give my specs.

    I run 800x600 by the way...
    Mainly because I just prefer 800x600 over 1024x768...
    No real reason.

    Anyway...

    PIII 1 GHz
    256 PC133 SDRAM
    PNY Verto GeForce 4 Ti 4200 64 DDR (slightly overclocked to 266core,515mem)
    Good ol' Win ME =p
  • jonesdaniel11jonesdaniel11 Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13387Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--killswitch1968+Mar 14 2003, 03:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (killswitch1968 @ Mar 14 2003, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How do you check what your FPS rate is again? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    get the command thingy up and type net_graph 3
  • NegaBenjiNegaBenji Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12058Members
    I have a 700MHz TBird, 348MB of (unmatched <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> ) ram and a 440MX, and my frame rate is usually between 20-30 fps (much lower in a firefight). And that's at any res - I usually play in 1152x768, but I've dropped it to 640x480 and not seen any improvement. So basically, your processor is the limiting factor here, so you should be able to push a fair resolution through your graphics card before you see a big performance drop
  • NegaBenjiNegaBenji Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12058Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--jonesdaniel11+Mar 14 2003, 03:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (jonesdaniel11 @ Mar 14 2003, 03:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--killswitch1968+Mar 14 2003, 03:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (killswitch1968 @ Mar 14 2003, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How do you check what your FPS rate is again? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    get the command thingy up and type net_graph 3 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    cl_showfps 1 is better - it doesn't obscure as much of your screen, plus it has less of a performance impact <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • jonesdaniel11jonesdaniel11 Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13387Members
    well i normally get between 35-50fps walking about and a little lower in fire fight...its just that in certain areas i stand, it drops to something like 15-19 fps, although nothing is going on <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • NegaBenjiNegaBenji Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12058Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--jonesdaniel11+Mar 14 2003, 03:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (jonesdaniel11 @ Mar 14 2003, 03:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> once i get the money, im upgrading to 512Ram, which ive been told should let me play the game with a pretty nice fps, and is it true that some ram comes with mhz? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    All ram runs at a certain speed - you should really get ram that matches the speed of your current stuff (unless you're completely replacing it), but if you mismatch speeds your computer should be able to handle it - possibly by running all memory at the speed of the slowest set. Also, the speeds you can use might be limited by your motherboard - normal SDRAM (which you'll be using) comes as PC66, PC100 and PC133, the numbers being the speed in MHz.

    Wow, it's tech support day <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Young_TrotskyYoung_Trotsky Join Date: 2003-01-14 Member: 12285Members
    how can u play with 20-30 fps? doesnt that make u build and jp really slow? i get 70-80 fps, which drops to about 30-50 when i jp into a hive and that makes my jp slow down a lot... i cant imagine what 20-30 would be like :o.
  • NegaBenjiNegaBenji Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12058Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--jonesdaniel11+Mar 14 2003, 03:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (jonesdaniel11 @ Mar 14 2003, 03:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well i normally get between 35-50fps walking about and a little lower in fire fight...its just that in certain areas i stand, it drops to something like 15-19 fps, although nothing is going on <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, mine's a little like that - my fps maxes out in some areas (like some Ready Rooms) and other times I can look straight at a wall and get under 10 fps (Ventilation hive in caged, for example). I can only guess it's some kind of CPU bottleneck. Or maybe it's this memory I installed
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Young Trotsky+Mar 14 2003, 08:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Young Trotsky @ Mar 14 2003, 08:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> how can u play with 20-30 fps? doesnt that make u build and jp really slow? i get 70-80 fps, which drops to about 30-50 when i jp into a hive and that makes my jp slow down a lot... i cant imagine what 20-30 would be like :o. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Its not too bad with HL...but its a total nightmare with MOH:AA
  • NegaBenjiNegaBenji Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12058Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Young Trotsky+Mar 14 2003, 03:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Young Trotsky @ Mar 14 2003, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> how can u play with 20-30 fps? doesnt that make u build and jp really slow? i get 70-80 fps, which drops to about 30-50 when i jp into a hive and that makes my jp slow down a lot... i cant imagine what 20-30 would be like :o. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    fps doesn't affect building or movement speed (although it's currently tied into the JP recharge rate) - the hardest thing is jumping around trying to bite marines with 9 fps. Plus I'm convinced it ties into your accuracy too, although I'd have to play on a better computer to see if it's any easier
  • jonesdaniel11jonesdaniel11 Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13387Members
    i am completely replacing my ram <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> well, il give it a go on 1024 and see how it goes thanks alot for the tips and advice guys <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • HWGuy_in_a_CanHWGuy_in_a_Can Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13397Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--jonesdaniel11+Mar 14 2003, 12:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (jonesdaniel11 @ Mar 14 2003, 12:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--killswitch1968+Mar 14 2003, 03:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (killswitch1968 @ Mar 14 2003, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How do you check what your FPS rate is again? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    get the command thingy up and type net_graph 3 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    cl_showfps 1 is another one.

    computer specs:

    850 MHz Athlon
    nvidia TNT2 Vanta 16 MB AGP
    384 MB PC100 SDRAM
    Win98 SE

    I run NS at 800x600, vsync off and 16-bit color, and get around low 70s in the ready room, high 50s staring at a wall, low 30s to mid 20s when fighting, and low 20s at a marine base. I've gotten teen numbers staring at an unused resource node though.

    I also have a second computer (P3 800, 128 PC100, ati all-in-wonder 32 MB AGP, win98SE) that gets similar results at 1024x768. Strange thing is, it gets slightly crappier performance at 800x600 on the second computer than on the first one. It's probably because it has less RAM and because of the crappy ati drivers.
  • jonesdaniel11jonesdaniel11 Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13387Members
    well i believe my video card is fairly new, so it should'nt have any problems with it (i used to have a tnt2 pro) Its just a matter of waiting 2 months to save up for the ram now <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • PaqPaq Join Date: 2002-12-15 Member: 10876Members
    edited March 2003
    Yup, your craphig card is pretty good jonesdaniel11 (at least compared to my card, geforce2 mx400 64Mt).

    I got 1000Mhz AMD athlon and 256 PC133 SDRAM.

    With 1152x768 resolution my fps is 30-60 and in firefight it drops to 10. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
    Once i tryed 800x600, but it didn't help much <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->

    EDIT:
    And usually when fps goes to 10, iam skulk food <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • AphonAphon Join Date: 2002-12-04 Member: 10442Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--jonesdaniel11+Mar 14 2003, 11:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (jonesdaniel11 @ Mar 14 2003, 11:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well i normally get between 35-50fps walking about and a little lower in fire fight...its just that in certain areas i stand, it drops to something like 15-19 fps, although nothing is going on <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i complain and **** about how i dont get 99fps all the time, i usually get 70fps max and it dips down depending on whats around. I even bought a new vid card recently... but its a pos and i took that sh*t out and im sending it back. FKU ATI 9500 with softmod.
  • nothingnothing Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9231Members
    As far as the RAM thing goes, 128 MB is a very small amount by current standards. If the topic poster had 512 MB (or a 400MHz processor), I would have recommended processor upgrade. But 128 MB just isn't enough, imo, especially with a newer OS (winXP, win2000, and best of luck to you if you're struggling with winME).

    I'm fairly certain that fps DOES tie into building speed, alien energy recharge, welding speed, etc. But I could be wrong.

    After playing NS for a few weeks, a couple friends helped me tweak my system to get better fps (up to hovering at 99 instead of locked at 70). At first, it made my aim a little *worse*, but that's only because I wasn't used to it.

    Things seemed a lot smoother, especially when quickly turning - when aim matters the most. After I got used to it, I'm certain that it's made things much easier to hit.

    Don't get me wrong, some of the best shot's I've seen use systems that never get higher than 60 fps. But more fps certainly can't hurt.
  • SandrockSandrock Join Date: 2002-12-16 Member: 10905Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I play on an Athlon XP 2000, 512mb PC2100 ram, and a G4 TI42000 64mb video card. I used to play in 1152x856 32bit color, but I recently toned it down to 1024x768. While walking around, I would get 99fps, but in a big big firefight, it would drop to about 40 at the lowest. Now with the lower resolution, it rarely drops below 55-60 fps.

    128mb of ram is definetely not enough if you want a high amount of fps. I would definetely recommend at least 256mb.

    Also, check out the tweaking section at <a href='http://www.readyroom.org' target='_blank'>The Readyroom</a>. I did alot of those tweaks, and I got some pretty nice performance boosts.
  • FlippyGcFlippyGc Join Date: 2003-02-09 Member: 13325Members
    There is a big difference in cpu specs. If you do have lower FPS, U definately go slower building and harder to jp.

    When I first Started Playing ns, My specs were:
    PIII 450Mhz, 320 MB SDRam, GF3 Ti200

    I would get 50 at most FPS, but never constant. It would be 50-10 FPS. I always noticed people building faster than me and see JP last longer. And I would always die easily. And this was in 800x600 Mode

    Now I got:
    AMD 2100 XP+, nVidia Nforce motherboard, 256MB DDR Ram PC2100, GF3 Ti200 ( I built the pc )

    I get now 80FPS Constant. Sometimes it dips in situations but the most, always 80Constant on 1024x720. I built faster, I noticed Def. Chambers go up faster, and when I jp, I would Jp around and not use more than 1/4 the Fuel, and with old pc specs, I would take up the whole fuel. And seems easier to kill.

    Yea the PC Specs determine your gaming, so if you have PC specs lower than 1 Gigz and lower than gf3 and SDRam, stay with 800x600. Otherwise go with 1024x720 or Higher if you have a hot pc.

    -Flippy
  • Omega1Omega1 Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10263Members
    edited March 2003
    You don't have to have a real expensive computer to get good graphics...here's what I have...(Aside from the sound card, and other things, it was 700 bucks, hand made)

    P4 2.2
    512 memory
    Radeon 8500 (64 meg)
    80 gig hard drive

    I think that's all that matters for it, but I run on 1600x1200 resolution, 32 bit colors, and I get on average, 40-60 FPS
  • EshockEshock Join Date: 2003-02-12 Member: 13462Members
    1.1 will be out any day though, which is supposed to fix those things being tied to your fps.
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