<!--QuoteBegin--Butt monkey salad+Mar 13 2003, 10:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Butt monkey salad @ Mar 13 2003, 10:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What I dont like r commanders that tell u where to go(microphone) but not bother giving u a waypoint. Like anybodies going to bother memorizing all the specific locations and how to get there for a given map <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I did after about 2 weeks of playing....why can't you?
KenichiThis is not a pie.Join Date: 2002-11-01Member: 2941Members, NS1 Playtester
<!--QuoteBegin--babygirl+Mar 14 2003, 03:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (babygirl @ Mar 14 2003, 03:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Kenichi+Mar 13 2003, 09:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi @ Mar 13 2003, 09:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Babygirl that might just be the server your on that was even. All of the psychostats ive seen show aliens winning 70-80% of all rounds for almost all the maps. But there are some servers than have good players and its a bit closer to even but overall it still is far more alien sided. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This has nothing to do with balance. Taking a select number of results from a select number of servers doesn't prove anything. There are TONS of variables here. Here are some things nobody ever mentions when using the psychostats argument.
1. The autohelp tells new players to go to marines. 2. Ramboing marines tend to hurt their team more than ramboing aliens hurt their team. 3. Comms vary greatly. 4. Each team's ping is different. 5. On lots of servers, the resident clan likes to stack a team. 6. yada yada yada...
If you can take two equally skilled teams, let the same people comm/gorge every round, and record every little thing about it, maybe then you could find a REAL statistical imbalance in the win/loss ratios. Until then, it's all meaningless. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> well before i even get into it. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT BALANCE. I just said aliens win more. GJ for ready what i wrote.
Secondly, 2 equally skilled teams. Marines will win 70-80% of the time. How do i know this? I'm in a clan. A very good clan. There is a reason alot of clans no longer enjoy playing in 1.04 anymore. It's called the jp hmg rush. It's insanely powerfull and you can get it early. If you REALLY want to get into imbalances with me then marines are too strong. BUT i didn't go into that. All i said was on pubs aliens win the vast majority of the time. Try reading what i write and stop infering.
KenichiThis is not a pie.Join Date: 2002-11-01Member: 2941Members, NS1 Playtester
And for your statistical proof. Every game between HAM, ReD, sYn, and eve has resulted in a tie. Those 4 teams are arguably the best in the game. Me being in HAM. Guess what. It's always a tie. Guess which team wins. Marine. Guess why. JP HMG rush.
Hey, lets not forget the stupid n00b comms that actually build TF's and turrets in the base. All you need is mines, man. Yeah, mines will stop fades. Especially when you tile the floor of the base with them and then wait for something to blow one of them up, which causes all of them to blow up killing the whole team. Its all the comms fault we just died and crashed the server. Stupid n00b...
Public Service Announcement: The above post was total sarcasm. If you fail to realize that it is sarcasm, you're stupid. If you said, "Right on. I hate when stupid n00b comms do that and make us lose. Turrets are useless." then please destroy your driver's license and voter registration card, delete NS from your hard drive, and promise to never reproduce. That is all. Thanks for your time.
<!--QuoteBegin--Kenichi+Mar 13 2003, 07:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi @ Mar 13 2003, 07:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> gurgle <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I would appreciate it if you would step away from personal insults, and attempt to act more mature.
I did read what you said. Sure, you run off with a buddy, but you're still not following orders. You are not the commander. If you think you know more than the commander, either A. find a server filled with better players, or B. get in the commander chair. Do not assume that you know more than the commander. Just because he is not following your strategy, does not mean he shouldn't be respected. To run off by yourself, in your little club of friends, all the while ignoring the commander, destroys the very purpose of having a commander. As other users have said, if the commander asks you to jump off a bridge, you do it. Don't decide you know better and run off and do your own thing, regardless of how many players you have trailing behind you.
For what exactly do you think the commander's job should be? Players who do not listen do not get any support. No guns, no health, no ammo... <b>nothing.</b> At least, when I'm commander.
Where did that come from. I never said that. stop making stuff up.
Once again your infering your own logic into what i said. First off did i ever say the com wasn't listening to me or that i wasn't listening to him? Sure i do when what he says makes sense. There is something we call a new commander. He DOESNT know everything. If you really want you can go off into this happy world where every commander knows what he is doing, but in our world they don't. Sometimes you have to help them out.
Also, if your commander asks you to jump off a bridge, you dont. Once again this is what we like to call stupid. You can be lead about blindly all you want. There is something some of us that we like to call self will. A commanders job is to tech and drop items. There is no god given rule that he is the supreme dictator of the game. Any player on the team can decide what happens. Sure its standard procedure to follow what he says since he tends to dictate the use of res. Just because he is in the chair doesn't mean he knows better. A commander doesn't know whats happening in any given room at any given time. It is also the marines job to take an active role in the game's tactics and flow.
As for finding better servers you have no clue what server im on. I play on an amazing server. 90% of the players are either regulars or members of the top clans. We all know what we are doing. Who are you to dictate to me that its not good to help a new commander learn the ropes. That seems pretty conceited of you to think that you know my situations and conditions. Get out of this little world you know as pub gaming and get into the concept of getting better. Just because someone is com doesn't mean they have the experience. I would rather run around and show a com the ropes than to eject him and have him never learn.
"Players who do not listen do not get any support. No guns, no health, no ammo... nothing." I believe i already mentioned how I never seem to have problems with this, but you have something up your but and you aparantly CAN read what i said but you cant comprehend it.
"I would appreciate it if you would step away from personal insults, and attempt to act more mature. "
aww did calling you a "dip" hurt your poor little feelings? if that was bad you are the one that needs to grow up. That isn't even close to insulting. Looks like you're going out of your way to stab at me for something.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think thats enough for now...I should write a book or something <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You should. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--MedHead+Mar 14 2003, 06:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 14 2003, 06:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Kenichi+Mar 13 2003, 07:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi @ Mar 13 2003, 07:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> gurgle <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I would appreciate it if you would step away from personal insults, and attempt to act more mature.
I did read what you said. Sure, you run off with a buddy, but you're still not following orders. You are not the commander. If you think you know more than the commander, either A. find a server filled with better players, or B. get in the commander chair. Do not assume that you know more than the commander. Just because he is not following your strategy, does not mean he shouldn't be respected. To run off by yourself, in your little club of friends, all the while ignoring the commander, destroys the very purpose of having a commander. As other users have said, if the commander asks you to jump off a bridge, you do it. Don't decide you know better and run off and do your own thing, regardless of how many players you have trailing behind you.
For what exactly do you think the commander's job should be? Players who do not listen do not get any support. No guns, no health, no ammo... <b>nothing.</b> At least, when I'm commander. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i agree with this...
i believe even if the comm is a n00b and is giving stupid waypoints that you should humor him or eject him. running off doing whatever doesn't help anything. how are they supposed to learn if you're telling him what to do? he needs to learn for himself and learn the game. if it's a stupid n00b kid who took the chair before the regular commander could get to it and everyone doesn't like it, fine. eject him. but if no one cares that he's commander you don't need to run off and disobey everything he does and then proceed to tell him what to do. if you know what to do you should got the chair. let the new comms learn and just listen to them. they'll learn and it's not like you're gonna die if you lose a few games. you have plenty of hours of life left i'm sure.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Where did that come from. I never said that. stop making stuff up.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I 'snipped' your post, so I didn't have to write it all out.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Once again your infering your own logic into what i said. First off did i ever say the com wasn't listening to me or that i wasn't listening to him? Sure i do when what he says makes sense. There is something we call a new commander. He DOESNT know everything. If you really want you can go off into this happy world where every commander knows what he is doing, but in our world they don't. Sometimes you have to help them out. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You contradicted yourself in this very quote! You only listen to the commander when it agrees with your own strategy. I never stated the commander would know what he was doing. However, I did say that regardless, you should follow what those commands are, or take over for him. The team is only as strong as its weakest link. If the commander is that link, find a new one. However, you are not helping the team at all if you are not playing as part of that team.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, if your commander asks you to jump off a bridge, you dont. Once again this is what we like to call stupid. You can be lead about blindly all you want. There is something some of us that we like to call self will. A commanders job is to tech and drop items. There is no god given rule that he is the supreme dictator of the game. Any player on the team can decide what happens. Sure its standard procedure to follow what he says since he tends to dictate the use of res. Just because he is in the chair doesn't mean he knows better. A commander doesn't know whats happening in any given room at any given time. It is also the marines job to take an active role in the game's tactics and flow. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
First off, you're wrong. Military commanders frequently order men to their deaths. It is not stupidity, it is order, and duty. Natural Selection tries to imitate life in that regard by placing a commander (one who commands) over the team. Just by being called "commander" he is your superior. You are to follow what he says. Once again, I never said he knew better than you. That is beside the point. What I did say was that you were supposed to follow what he orders, regardless of how it sounds. If not, declare mutiny, and eject him. I have frequently stated this, and yet it is ignored.
I also never stated that you were not allowed to offer suggestions. In fact, I believe I said that it was recommended! Please, stop letting your emotions get in the way of your reading. Your anger is showing through as immaturity, and it is not aiding your cause.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As for finding better servers you have no clue what server im on. I play on an amazing server. 90% of the players are either regulars or members of the top clans. We all know what we are doing. Who are you to dictate to me that its not good to help a new commander learn the ropes. That seems pretty conceited of you to think that you know my situations and conditions. Get out of this little world you know as pub gaming and get into the concept of getting better. Just because someone is com doesn't mean they have the experience. I would rather run around and show a com the ropes than to eject him and have him never learn. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't really care where you play. I never stated I did. That's great that there are servers out there for people like you. It's nice, because it separates that attitude from the rest of the servers.
Okay, finally you read the part where I said "teach him, or eject him." However, due to your angered state, you misread my comment... entirely. I see I'm not going to reach you on this point, so I'll let my previous comments stand, and your immaturity flourish.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->aww did calling you a "dip" hurt your poor little feelings? if that was bad you are the one that needs to grow up. That isn't even close to insulting. Looks like you're going out of your way to stab at me for something.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't understand how you can post comments like these, and not actually see how rude you are. To think you are the same age as I. That's distressing. I figured I was talking to someone much younger, someone young enough that it was understandable he couldn't engage in an adult conversation.
I don't think I can get through to you. Your childlike responses are tiring, so I believe we need to end this. You may misread my comments more, and take them out of context all you like. However, you won't be hearing any more remarks from me. It's really not worth my time. Have a good day. Curb your temper: it'll get you in trouble one day.
KenichiThis is not a pie.Join Date: 2002-11-01Member: 2941Members, NS1 Playtester
Well lets make this simple. None of you care to help new commanders get any good. GG we get the same small amount of commanders. Yay for you. Whatever floats your boat and allows you to think your helping the game. Until i find a reason otherwise i will continue helping commanders.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You contradicted yourself in this very quote! You only listen to the commander when it agrees with your own strategy. I never stated the commander would know what he was doing. However, I did say that regardless, you should follow what those commands are, or take over for him. The team is only as strong as its weakest link. If the commander is that link, find a new one. However, you are not helping the team at all if you are not playing as part of that team.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My strategies are better than yours i can assure you of that. Guess what? This is a game. Help each other out. Pub games are not life and death. Go get a life or something.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->First off, you're wrong. Military commanders frequently order men to their deaths. It is not stupidity, it is order, and duty. Natural Selection tries to imitate life in that regard by placing a commander (one who commands) over the team. Just by being called "commander" he is your superior. You are to follow what he says. Once again, I never said he knew better than you. That is beside the point. What I did say was that you were supposed to follow what he orders, regardless of how it sounds. If not, declare mutiny, and eject him. I have frequently stated this, and yet it is ignored."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Once again its a game. There is NOTHING wrong with helping new players come to grips with the hot seat. You want to be ordered to your death then join the military and goto war. As for me i'm going to play a GAME and have fun.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I also never stated that you were not allowed to offer suggestions. In fact, I believe I said that it was recommended! Please, stop letting your emotions get in the way of your reading. Your anger is showing through as immaturity, and it is not aiding your cause.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Shows how little you know of me. What you think is me being angry is me laughing at you as i sit here and make you ramble on.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Okay, finally you read the part where I said "teach him, or eject him." However, due to your angered state, you misread my comment... entirely. I see I'm not going to reach you on this point, so I'll let my previous comments stand, and your immaturity flourish.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is the funniest thing you've said the whole time. If you paid attention i've been saying i was helping the commander the whole time. If you read what i said you would notice i was helping to teach him. You need to get this notion out of your head that all players that go against the commander are bad. You seem to know how i play and try to act as though i'm the **** that runs around and ruins the game. You have it quite wrong.
As for immature. Calling someone out because you seem to be struggling against them in a discussion. Calling someone immature is insulting and last i checked you didn't like those personal insults. So are you contradicting yourself? Wow what a concept. (rolls in chair laughing) Immaturity is a word you obviously know little about. To call someone immature you need to know more about the person. You don't know me. You only know a few lines of text in which i held an arguement in opposition to yours. Immature is when you can't handle the arguement and break out insulting the other person every other paragraph. Wow look. Every paragraph your wrote almost mentions that. If your so adult you don't need to win an arguement by insult or degredation. You do it through wit and cunning. Perhaps you should sit back and re-evaluate yourself.
Lastly, you can't handle someone else going against your ways. Someone tries to have a nice discussion on a msg boards. We are talking and giving different opinions. You resort to talking about immature because you make no headway. There is something we like to call different styles of game play. Yours and mine obviously differ. Your route never gives a new commander a chance to learn how to be a commander properly because you just kick him. I run around yelling out stuff he can do and teach him tactics. You are a very negative person that sees anger in the person he can't agree with. You claim to be an adult but you can't lay off the insults. Perhaps that truly speaks to the type of person that you are.
Blaqwolf. A person learns faster when someone helps him and teaches him. You people all take "ramboing" and initally think bad. Perhaps you people can't comprehend the concept that it can be a good thing in the proper contexts. In my cases of "ramboing" (when i rarely need to do it for the commander) the commanders have all learned a great deal and by the next game had improved 5 fold. Now i see more results there than a commander that received no help by being ejected or yelled at as a "noob commander" the whole game.
Obviously the NS forums are not the place to go to deliver a concept as strange and mystical as this one. You all have single minded opinions about every possible action. Something is either right or wrong. This is what is seriously hampering pub play from every reaching a decent skill level.
<!--QuoteBegin--Da Sarge+Mar 13 2003, 08:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Da Sarge @ Mar 13 2003, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> One thing that I abosolutely can't stand is when marines use the word "HERE!!" Example:
Soldier:OK, comm, I got an open res node here, drop me a tower. Comm:Alright, where are you? Soldier:OH CRAP!! I'M BEING ATTACKED!!!DROP MEDPACKS OVER HERE!! QUICK! Comm:WHERE? WHERE? Soldier:Good job comm, I'm dead.
I remember a while back there was a thread ranting and raving about the word "here" and how it is TOTALLY useless. If you wanna get the comm to help the team out, work with him. He isn't all knowing (unfortunately). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Idea:
in 1.1, replace the text "here" with the location.
<!--QuoteBegin--boberto+Mar 13 2003, 07:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (boberto @ Mar 13 2003, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the worst is when a marine shouts something like "BUILD A PHASE GATE" "BUILD A TF HERE" "PLACE AN RT HERE YOU DUMB NOOB", even though if they would simply glance up at your res, theyd see not enough were available for that structure. i think everyone should try to command a few times, just so they get a general idea of how things work... because you have no idea how often people badger you to place things that you simply dont have the res to place. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not to mention someone asking you to build a TF in the hive just because they managed to rambo in there.
I agree with MedHead in the sense that you must do -exactly- what your com tells you to do. You must understand that you sometimes may not be able to comprehend what the com is trying to acheive from your perspective on the battlefielld. If a com was to tell me to go jump into random bottomless pits in NS_nothing, I would. If I was told to jump off the elevator in marine start on NS_bast, and keep doing this until the end of the round, I would. Doing exactly what the com orders you to do may not always help the team, or be in your own personal interest(IE, guarding a res node until the commander lets you leave), but doing what the comm wants is simply what you must do.
Your allowing them to stay com. You do what they say. If you don't like it, Theres an eject button availible for you to press.
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I did after about 2 weeks of playing....why can't you?
I even learned most of ns_lost.
This has nothing to do with balance. Taking a select number of results from a select number of servers doesn't prove anything. There are TONS of variables here. Here are some things nobody ever mentions when using the psychostats argument.
1. The autohelp tells new players to go to marines.
2. Ramboing marines tend to hurt their team more than ramboing aliens hurt their team.
3. Comms vary greatly.
4. Each team's ping is different.
5. On lots of servers, the resident clan likes to stack a team.
6. yada yada yada...
If you can take two equally skilled teams, let the same people comm/gorge every round, and record every little thing about it, maybe then you could find a REAL statistical imbalance in the win/loss ratios. Until then, it's all meaningless. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
well before i even get into it. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT BALANCE. I just said aliens win more. GJ for ready what i wrote.
Secondly, 2 equally skilled teams. Marines will win 70-80% of the time. How do i know this? I'm in a clan. A very good clan. There is a reason alot of clans no longer enjoy playing in 1.04 anymore. It's called the jp hmg rush. It's insanely powerfull and you can get it early. If you REALLY want to get into imbalances with me then marines are too strong. BUT i didn't go into that. All i said was on pubs aliens win the vast majority of the time. Try reading what i write and stop infering.
Have a nice day.
Public Service Announcement: The above post was total sarcasm. If you fail to realize that it is sarcasm, you're stupid. If you said, "Right on. I hate when stupid n00b comms do that and make us lose. Turrets are useless." then please destroy your driver's license and voter registration card, delete NS from your hard drive, and promise to never reproduce. That is all. Thanks for your time.
*caugh* that is all...
I would appreciate it if you would step away from personal insults, and attempt to act more mature.
I did read what you said. Sure, you run off with a buddy, but you're still not following orders. You are not the commander. If you think you know more than the commander, either A. find a server filled with better players, or B. get in the commander chair. Do not assume that you know more than the commander. Just because he is not following your strategy, does not mean he shouldn't be respected. To run off by yourself, in your little club of friends, all the while ignoring the commander, destroys the very purpose of having a commander. As other users have said, if the commander asks you to jump off a bridge, you do it. Don't decide you know better and run off and do your own thing, regardless of how many players you have trailing behind you.
For what exactly do you think the commander's job should be? Players who do not listen do not get any support. No guns, no health, no ammo... <b>nothing.</b> At least, when I'm commander.
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Where did that come from. I never said that. stop making stuff up.
Once again your infering your own logic into what i said. First off did i ever say the com wasn't listening to me or that i wasn't listening to him? Sure i do when what he says makes sense. There is something we call a new commander. He DOESNT know everything. If you really want you can go off into this happy world where every commander knows what he is doing, but in our world they don't. Sometimes you have to help them out.
Also, if your commander asks you to jump off a bridge, you dont. Once again this is what we like to call stupid. You can be lead about blindly all you want. There is something some of us that we like to call self will. A commanders job is to tech and drop items. There is no god given rule that he is the supreme dictator of the game. Any player on the team can decide what happens. Sure its standard procedure to follow what he says since he tends to dictate the use of res. Just because he is in the chair doesn't mean he knows better. A commander doesn't know whats happening in any given room at any given time. It is also the marines job to take an active role in the game's tactics and flow.
As for finding better servers you have no clue what server im on. I play on an amazing server. 90% of the players are either regulars or members of the top clans. We all know what we are doing. Who are you to dictate to me that its not good to help a new commander learn the ropes. That seems pretty conceited of you to think that you know my situations and conditions. Get out of this little world you know as pub gaming and get into the concept of getting better. Just because someone is com doesn't mean they have the experience. I would rather run around and show a com the ropes than to eject him and have him never learn.
"Players who do not listen do not get any support. No guns, no health, no ammo... nothing." I believe i already mentioned how I never seem to have problems with this, but you have something up your but and you aparantly CAN read what i said but you cant comprehend it.
"I would appreciate it if you would step away from personal insults, and attempt to act more mature. "
aww did calling you a "dip" hurt your poor little feelings? if that was bad you are the one that needs to grow up. That isn't even close to insulting. Looks like you're going out of your way to stab at me for something.
You should. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I would appreciate it if you would step away from personal insults, and attempt to act more mature.
I did read what you said. Sure, you run off with a buddy, but you're still not following orders. You are not the commander. If you think you know more than the commander, either A. find a server filled with better players, or B. get in the commander chair. Do not assume that you know more than the commander. Just because he is not following your strategy, does not mean he shouldn't be respected. To run off by yourself, in your little club of friends, all the while ignoring the commander, destroys the very purpose of having a commander. As other users have said, if the commander asks you to jump off a bridge, you do it. Don't decide you know better and run off and do your own thing, regardless of how many players you have trailing behind you.
For what exactly do you think the commander's job should be? Players who do not listen do not get any support. No guns, no health, no ammo... <b>nothing.</b> At least, when I'm commander. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i agree with this...
i believe even if the comm is a n00b and is giving stupid waypoints that you should humor him or eject him. running off doing whatever doesn't help anything. how are they supposed to learn if you're telling him what to do? he needs to learn for himself and learn the game. if it's a stupid n00b kid who took the chair before the regular commander could get to it and everyone doesn't like it, fine. eject him. but if no one cares that he's commander you don't need to run off and disobey everything he does and then proceed to tell him what to do. if you know what to do you should got the chair. let the new comms learn and just listen to them. they'll learn and it's not like you're gonna die if you lose a few games. you have plenty of hours of life left i'm sure.
I 'snipped' your post, so I didn't have to write it all out.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Once again your infering your own logic into what i said. First off did i ever say the com wasn't listening to me or that i wasn't listening to him? Sure i do when what he says makes sense. There is something we call a new commander. He DOESNT know everything. If you really want you can go off into this happy world where every commander knows what he is doing, but in our world they don't. Sometimes you have to help them out. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You contradicted yourself in this very quote! You only listen to the commander when it agrees with your own strategy. I never stated the commander would know what he was doing. However, I did say that regardless, you should follow what those commands are, or take over for him. The team is only as strong as its weakest link. If the commander is that link, find a new one. However, you are not helping the team at all if you are not playing as part of that team.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, if your commander asks you to jump off a bridge, you dont. Once again this is what we like to call stupid. You can be lead about blindly all you want. There is something some of us that we like to call self will. A commanders job is to tech and drop items. There is no god given rule that he is the supreme dictator of the game. Any player on the team can decide what happens. Sure its standard procedure to follow what he says since he tends to dictate the use of res. Just because he is in the chair doesn't mean he knows better. A commander doesn't know whats happening in any given room at any given time. It is also the marines job to take an active role in the game's tactics and flow. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
First off, you're wrong. Military commanders frequently order men to their deaths. It is not stupidity, it is order, and duty. Natural Selection tries to imitate life in that regard by placing a commander (one who commands) over the team. Just by being called "commander" he is your superior. You are to follow what he says. Once again, I never said he knew better than you. That is beside the point. What I did say was that you were supposed to follow what he orders, regardless of how it sounds. If not, declare mutiny, and eject him. I have frequently stated this, and yet it is ignored.
I also never stated that you were not allowed to offer suggestions. In fact, I believe I said that it was recommended! Please, stop letting your emotions get in the way of your reading. Your anger is showing through as immaturity, and it is not aiding your cause.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As for finding better servers you have no clue what server im on. I play on an amazing server. 90% of the players are either regulars or members of the top clans. We all know what we are doing. Who are you to dictate to me that its not good to help a new commander learn the ropes. That seems pretty conceited of you to think that you know my situations and conditions. Get out of this little world you know as pub gaming and get into the concept of getting better. Just because someone is com doesn't mean they have the experience. I would rather run around and show a com the ropes than to eject him and have him never learn. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't really care where you play. I never stated I did. That's great that there are servers out there for people like you. It's nice, because it separates that attitude from the rest of the servers.
Okay, finally you read the part where I said "teach him, or eject him." However, due to your angered state, you misread my comment... entirely. I see I'm not going to reach you on this point, so I'll let my previous comments stand, and your immaturity flourish.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->aww did calling you a "dip" hurt your poor little feelings? if that was bad you are the one that needs to grow up. That isn't even close to insulting. Looks like you're going out of your way to stab at me for something.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't understand how you can post comments like these, and not actually see how rude you are. To think you are the same age as I. That's distressing. I figured I was talking to someone much younger, someone young enough that it was understandable he couldn't engage in an adult conversation.
I don't think I can get through to you. Your childlike responses are tiring, so I believe we need to end this. You may misread my comments more, and take them out of context all you like. However, you won't be hearing any more remarks from me. It's really not worth my time. Have a good day. Curb your temper: it'll get you in trouble one day.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You contradicted yourself in this very quote! You only listen to the commander when it agrees with your own strategy. I never stated the commander would know what he was doing. However, I did say that regardless, you should follow what those commands are, or take over for him. The team is only as strong as its weakest link. If the commander is that link, find a new one. However, you are not helping the team at all if you are not playing as part of that team.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My strategies are better than yours i can assure you of that. Guess what? This is a game. Help each other out. Pub games are not life and death. Go get a life or something.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->First off, you're wrong. Military commanders frequently order men to their deaths. It is not stupidity, it is order, and duty. Natural Selection tries to imitate life in that regard by placing a commander (one who commands) over the team. Just by being called "commander" he is your superior. You are to follow what he says. Once again, I never said he knew better than you. That is beside the point. What I did say was that you were supposed to follow what he orders, regardless of how it sounds. If not, declare mutiny, and eject him. I have frequently stated this, and yet it is ignored."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Once again its a game. There is NOTHING wrong with helping new players come to grips with the hot seat. You want to be ordered to your death then join the military and goto war. As for me i'm going to play a GAME and have fun.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I also never stated that you were not allowed to offer suggestions. In fact, I believe I said that it was recommended! Please, stop letting your emotions get in the way of your reading. Your anger is showing through as immaturity, and it is not aiding your cause.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Shows how little you know of me. What you think is me being angry is me laughing at you as i sit here and make you ramble on.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Okay, finally you read the part where I said "teach him, or eject him." However, due to your angered state, you misread my comment... entirely. I see I'm not going to reach you on this point, so I'll let my previous comments stand, and your immaturity flourish.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is the funniest thing you've said the whole time. If you paid attention i've been saying i was helping the commander the whole time. If you read what i said you would notice i was helping to teach him. You need to get this notion out of your head that all players that go against the commander are bad. You seem to know how i play and try to act as though i'm the **** that runs around and ruins the game. You have it quite wrong.
As for immature. Calling someone out because you seem to be struggling against them in a discussion. Calling someone immature is insulting and last i checked you didn't like those personal insults. So are you contradicting yourself? Wow what a concept. (rolls in chair laughing) Immaturity is a word you obviously know little about. To call someone immature you need to know more about the person. You don't know me. You only know a few lines of text in which i held an arguement in opposition to yours. Immature is when you can't handle the arguement and break out insulting the other person every other paragraph. Wow look. Every paragraph your wrote almost mentions that. If your so adult you don't need to win an arguement by insult or degredation. You do it through wit and cunning. Perhaps you should sit back and re-evaluate yourself.
Lastly, you can't handle someone else going against your ways. Someone tries to have a nice discussion on a msg boards. We are talking and giving different opinions. You resort to talking about immature because you make no headway. There is something we like to call different styles of game play. Yours and mine obviously differ. Your route never gives a new commander a chance to learn how to be a commander properly because you just kick him. I run around yelling out stuff he can do and teach him tactics. You are a very negative person that sees anger in the person he can't agree with. You claim to be an adult but you can't lay off the insults. Perhaps that truly speaks to the type of person that you
are.
Blaqwolf.
A person learns faster when someone helps him and teaches him. You people all take "ramboing" and initally think bad. Perhaps you people can't comprehend the concept that it can be a good thing in the proper contexts. In my cases of "ramboing" (when i rarely need to do it for the commander) the commanders have all learned a great deal and by the next game had improved 5 fold. Now i see more results there than a commander that received no help by being ejected or yelled at as a "noob commander" the whole game.
Obviously the NS forums are not the place to go to deliver a concept as strange and mystical as this one. You all have single minded opinions about every possible action. Something is either right or wrong. This is what is seriously hampering pub play from every reaching a decent skill level.
Soldier:OK, comm, I got an open res node here, drop me a tower.
Comm:Alright, where are you?
Soldier:OH CRAP!! I'M BEING ATTACKED!!!DROP MEDPACKS OVER HERE!! QUICK!
Comm:WHERE? WHERE?
Soldier:Good job comm, I'm dead.
I remember a while back there was a thread ranting and raving about the word "here" and how it is TOTALLY useless. If you wanna get the comm to help the team out, work with him. He isn't all knowing (unfortunately). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Idea:
in 1.1, replace the text "here" with the location.
lol...
Not to mention someone asking you to build a TF in the hive just because they managed to rambo in there.
Your allowing them to stay com. You do what they say. If you don't like it, Theres an eject button availible for you to press.