1.1 Lerk And Jetpack Changes

FrahgFrahg Join Date: 2002-12-03 Member: 10432Members, Constellation
in NS General Discussion
I just upgraded my system. I used to get 10-30 frames per second and, well, I was a terrible lerk and jetpacker. What I learned is that if you have low FPS you get less thrust from your jetpack, so you have to use more of your power to achieve the same level of upwards velocity.

Now that I have 100fps I never have a problem jetpacking and, yes, I can pull off the never ending lerk/jetpack flight. Just for fun I played for fifteen minutes in a game as a Lerk without landing. I wasn't much of a combatant, but I did manage to get 5 or 6 kills in that time. Anyway, that's subject of a whole other topic.

Back to my question. I understand that 1.1 is going to "fix" the framerate advantages, but my question is is it going to make all frames function like I do now--at 100fps. Or is it going to bring all framerates down to the lesser level of using half your thrust to reach one high vent? Or will it be somewhere in between?

Inquiring minds want to know.

--Frahg
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  • ViPrViPr Resident naysayer Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1515Members
    edited April 2003
    it's probably gonna be weaker than what the 100 fps people get. btw i don't think the lerk is affected by the fps. btw the fps is not going to be limited coz that would just be evil.
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  • FrahgFrahg Join Date: 2002-12-03 Member: 10432Members, Constellation
    Maybe I'm getting more frames now and that's all it is, but the lerk is much easier to fly now.

    --Frahg
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  • ViPrViPr Resident naysayer Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1515Members
    everything in any game gets easier at higher frame rates.
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  • WolfWolf Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1100Members
    with my 10-20 fps I can do the never ending lerk flight, but flying a jetpack is like flying as a snail.
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  • STOSTO Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4792Members
    I wish I could get 100 FPS.
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  • SkinnYSkinnY Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7500Members
    you also build faster if you got 100fps.... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> but this will all be fixed in 1.1 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • SootySooty Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11416Members
    So is it going to be tweaked to give abilities at 100fps, or capped to give abilities at 40 or something.
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  • SlycasterSlycaster Limited Edition Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 24Members, NS1 Playtester
    The most important part of the fix is to balance the game between players. It allows people with weaker video cards and computers to still function as well as a person with a top of the line rig in performance. :D
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  • SnO0PySnO0Py Join Date: 2003-02-27 Member: 14092Members
    Eh said many times by yours truely, why dont we just wait till ns 1.1 comes out and see?
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  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    i cant wait. ive never been to the top of misslecommand with an hmg before. 25 fps just doesnt cut it. and my poor friend with 10 fps cant play aliens at all. but i suppose that is a different issue altogether.
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  • cr3amcr3am Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7221Members
    i went in a server, did "fps_max 20" and i could go up maybe two soldiers

    at 10, i don't think i even lifted
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  • Infected_MarineInfected_Marine Join Date: 2002-12-21 Member: 11287Members
    edited April 2003
    To answer the original question (if I understood it correctly), the abilities of the old FPS based system won't be based on anything of the freakish 100 fps that allowed people to do things that where obviusly not intended.

    No more endless JP flights for you my boy, we are all going to be playing in the <b>real</b> world when 1.1 comes out.
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  • FrahgFrahg Join Date: 2002-12-03 Member: 10432Members, Constellation
    And by real world you mean futuristic sci-fi alien versus human combat world where jetpacks exist and magically recharge themselves?

    I don't see never-ending jetpack fights as "obviously" not intended. Right now they're not so bad. The only reason they're so useful (read: broken) is because they are very cheap and actually pretty fast to equip. A little cost hike would solve that...

    --Frahg
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  • Y3tiY3ti Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7853Members
    Did you stop to think why he might of put 'Real' in bold letters? Moron. and I suppose the Jet packs use some so of ion-thrust...
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  • VigilanteVigilante Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1828Members, Constellation
    After a brief and incredibly coincidental chat with Flayra (I found him in another game, BAD DEV! MORE 1.1! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ), he said he assumed the new JP/construction would operate at about what 50fps is now, because that's what his system runs at. I'm sure he will take into consideration balancing issues past that.


    I forgot to take a screenshot, so there's no proof of the discussion; take it as you will. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Hope he doesn't get **** that I mentioned it, doh!
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  • zippyzippy Forum Police. Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11956Members, Constellation
    max framerate i have seen is 72 - you can't getto 100 - and my card ain't not cheap ****.

    zippy
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  • PaladinPaladin Join Date: 2002-10-06 Member: 1455Members, Constellation
    You can get up to 100 fps . The maximum amount is limited by the CVAR fps_max . Open the "config.cfg" file in your Natural Selection Directory with notepad or another text editor. Look for the fps_max command. It's set to 72 by default but if you have a better PC you can set it up to 100 . A higher amount wont do anything cause the HL-engine cant handle anithing above 100 .

    And I think it was mentioned before : The refresh rate for alien energy also depends on your fps , so lerk flying should be more easy with more fps.
    But Flayra has already announced that this is fixed in 1.1 , so you'll be fine with even 10 - 20 fps.
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  • tbZBeAsttbZBeAst Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12755Members
    In summary - worry about it when 1.1 is released.
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  • JowerJower Join Date: 2003-02-12 Member: 13448Members
    I think my screen sucks...
    Can't get a refreshrate over 85...
    hehe
    That means I'll NEVER EVER get 100 fps !
    HOW SAD ! ! !
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  • Frogg2Frogg2 Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4867Members, Constellation
    vsync limits your fps to your refresh rate, turn that off and you can get higher.
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  • JowerJower Join Date: 2003-02-12 Member: 13448Members
    Hmm
    To be honest I dunno how...
    hehe
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  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Nothing has been announced as of yet, everything in here is thus speculation, and I'm having a lousy day. Guess that's enough to justify a <span style='color:red'>***lock***</span>.
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