Infantry And Non-infantry, Lets Clarify
I have a friend who claims that ALL men and women in the United States Army are infantry. He did not say 'men and women' so I'll limit it to 'personel.'
He states that, the girl that was rescued (the POW) in Iraq was infantry. My argument is that, why did I not see any females at Ft Benning, which is "Home of the Infantry?" In the United States, women cannot become infantry. In the Army, the job is 11B (Eleven Bravo = Infantry).
In basic training (Army), non-infantry personnel do 9 week of Basic, then move onto AIT (Advanced Individual Training). Basic for Infantrymen is 13 weeks.
When you wear Class-A, Infantrymen get the 'light-blue' braids, signifing that they ARE indeed infantry. Drill sergerents with the 'circle blue' on their headgear means they are infantry.
<Prae> Ok kx. Let me sum up two of your agreements
<Prae> you agree that (1) all men/women in army are infantry
<Prae> and (2) the girl that was POW and then rescued was infantry
<Prae> and let me add (3) that no women are allowed to become INfantry
<Prae> (3) is a fact, not your belief
<Kylratix> correct
<Kylratix> her specialization (MOS) was maintenance
<Kylratix> but her core occupation, accoridng to the army , was that she was infantry
Ok, when it comes to the Army you are soldier first. If you have seen "In the Army now" with Pauly Shore and Andy ****, they say "We're just waterboys" when their first-sergeant puts them in a convoy to whereever. Where then, their 1SGT says you are soldier first. Everyone in the Army is combat effective, but everyone IS NOT infantry.
ADD: Another point that I'd like to add in is the fact that, lets say I'm a female, is there any possibility of me joining/BE PLACED INTO the 3rd Infantry Division? (for example)
He says yes, I say no. And its a true fact that women cannot be infantry.
He states that, the girl that was rescued (the POW) in Iraq was infantry. My argument is that, why did I not see any females at Ft Benning, which is "Home of the Infantry?" In the United States, women cannot become infantry. In the Army, the job is 11B (Eleven Bravo = Infantry).
In basic training (Army), non-infantry personnel do 9 week of Basic, then move onto AIT (Advanced Individual Training). Basic for Infantrymen is 13 weeks.
When you wear Class-A, Infantrymen get the 'light-blue' braids, signifing that they ARE indeed infantry. Drill sergerents with the 'circle blue' on their headgear means they are infantry.
<Prae> Ok kx. Let me sum up two of your agreements
<Prae> you agree that (1) all men/women in army are infantry
<Prae> and (2) the girl that was POW and then rescued was infantry
<Prae> and let me add (3) that no women are allowed to become INfantry
<Prae> (3) is a fact, not your belief
<Kylratix> correct
<Kylratix> her specialization (MOS) was maintenance
<Kylratix> but her core occupation, accoridng to the army , was that she was infantry
Ok, when it comes to the Army you are soldier first. If you have seen "In the Army now" with Pauly Shore and Andy ****, they say "We're just waterboys" when their first-sergeant puts them in a convoy to whereever. Where then, their 1SGT says you are soldier first. Everyone in the Army is combat effective, but everyone IS NOT infantry.
ADD: Another point that I'd like to add in is the fact that, lets say I'm a female, is there any possibility of me joining/BE PLACED INTO the 3rd Infantry Division? (for example)
He says yes, I say no. And its a true fact that women cannot be infantry.
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on another note, and this may be inviting trouble but oh well, anybody else noticed that this girl is getting different treatment than every other american POW, since she is a woman? Have we ever even had any female POW's before?
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Though some female POWs from the Gulf War said they were sexually abused by Iraqi soldiers, Coleman said she was fortunate not to be mistreated by her captors. Since some of them believed that she did not have any useful information because she was a woman, Coleman said she "played along" with a "dumb female" routine.
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Well I't seems that in the female drive to become regarded as equals with men they are now being treated as harshly as men are in wartime situations. I'm not actually making a statment about womens rights or non rights but call me old fashioned I just found that quite shocking.
The good thing is though, the way they found her was by a Iraqi man. His wife worked at the hospital where she was being kept, he was visting and saw her being beaten. He was so disgusted he wrote a note about it and dropped it off with a Marine.
I personally find the use of females in the armed forces a joke (as a veteran from Marine Infantry). They are given physical fitness requirements that an average 12 year-old boy could quite easily and literally pass. I would be fine allowing them in any MOS if they required them to pass male physical requirements. All they do now is cost me as a taxpayer a fortune for co-ed everything, and needing two females to do the physical labor of one.
But I am ranting, aren't I ...?
Knowing they are old, they probably could not aim correctly since they have poor vision. I can't see an elderly properly using an M16-A2.
Im sure some of you have played it before. It even had a zone called bughunt that was EXACTLY like NS, except in two dimensions.
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