<!--QuoteBegin--Stoneburg+Apr 4 2003, 01:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stoneburg @ Apr 4 2003, 01:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you want to learn the best strats for a clan-game, join a clan.
If you want to learn the best strats for a pub-game, join a good pub and/or read these forums.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats all that needed saying really.
Neither is "better" they're different thats all.
Clan strats would be less effective in Pub games, and vice versa.
<!--QuoteBegin--QuietMischief1+Apr 5 2003, 06:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (QuietMischief1 @ Apr 5 2003, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Best PUB Player in the World
Well I'm sorry my man, but there arn't any prizes for good pub players, but plenty for Clan'ers
And I can go on servers and knife 8 people in one round on the other team, do I get to be like the best CS Knifer in The World for that one?
n000000000000bz <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope you're being satirical, for your own sake....
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->someone confronted the pubbers and they attacked him back :/<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
One person "attacked" him, the rest tried to explain to him that the two types of play are different. As usual people don't actually read or attempt to understand posts, they aren't interested in dialogue, only monologue. If you can't argue your position just do everyone a favour and keep it to yourself, these "I'm right because I say I am" posts are so pointless.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well I'm sorry my man, but there arn't any prizes for good pub players, but plenty for Clan'ers<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, and what are the cash prizes for NS clan play? AFAIK there are none. With your reasoning you should only play for "prizes"? Stick to CS and Quake then (for FPS). I play for fun, and public play is more fun then the predictable and somewhat anal clan gaming (in NS, in CS clan play is actually more fun then pub play).
The difference between commanding in a pub and commanding in a clan game:
In a clan game your primary task is to inform players (who already have a good idea of what they are supposed to be doing) what is going on in areas they cannot see.
In a pub game your primary task is to convince a group of random, probably clueless people to do something constructive.
The only difference is that in a public server game you have the added barrier of trying to work with people who do not understand what they are supposed to be doing. Apart from this barrier, and providing you can pull it off, what works in a clan game will work in a pub game. The rules of the game don't change.
You can possibly argue that some strategies might be easier to convince people to perform. Making them slightly more effective (relatively speaking) on a public server than they would be in a clan game, however:
Take a team capable of performing and understanding any strategy, and a clan commander onto a public server and use a clan strategy against a public server team and you will destroy them. That's pretty much a 'duh' statement.
KenichiThis is not a pie.Join Date: 2002-11-01Member: 2941Members, NS1 Playtester
Well where to begin.
Right from the start. Strats that are used in clan games are the best strats. Now before you start being stupid lets begin with a bit of analyzing. We have all seen the strats of ns change over the past several months. Currently the jp hmg rush is big in many pubs. Now lets think back for a moment or two. Who came up with this so popular strategy. Holy crap IT WAS CLANS. Now lets look at that, clans come up with strat, it spreads to pubs, suddenly its over used. Wow in this case the clan created strat WAS the best strat. It is at this moment in time the best strat in the game. I say best strat in the game because of its high success rate. Strategies are meant to win in the swifted most brutal fashion possible. I have seen this trend of clan strat turn pub strat since ns was release and the subsquent clans grew.
With this prime example that i have laid out for you, i clearly showed that clans are the leading developers of the pubs strats you all hold so dear. Every single strat that has ever been used on a pub for ns, was used in clan games long ago. I say this with 100% confidence. Now you can sit back and claim that your pubs are more fun, but that isn't the arguement here. Neither is the arguement that pub players are on a lower level of teamwork. This thread was clearly about best strats. BEST STRATS. The fact of the matter, clan games DO have the most effective strats, and as such they are the best strats.
As to their effectiveness on pubs. Ins't that great that it doesn't change the fact that if it isnt 100% effective on pubs that its still the best strat. A strat is only as good as its players, weak players can only do weak strats. They can not acheive the high teir strats. It is beyond their grasp. That, however, does not change the simple fact that those strats that were developed by clans have always and will always be the superior ones to any pub based strat ever created.
Next time you want to go post some random "elitist" clan player, as so many of you like to call it, try looking at your pubs. As much as you hate it, we popularized your strats long before you ever thought of them. You might think you know otherwise, but the fact is your wrong. Clans have had a direct impact in the strategic abilities throughout the ns pubs. Admit it or not, its true. You are naive and senile to think otherwise.
This is all i have to say on this matter. I will not post again in this thread because you have nothing that you can say that can disprove what i have said. Now it is your turn to sit and reflect on ns, and possibly you will realize what a dramatic effect these clans that you seem to dislike so much have on your everyday pub.
<!--QuoteBegin--Error404:+Apr 5 2003, 06:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Error404: @ Apr 5 2003, 06:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Competitive CS matches at the highest level are campfests. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That is the single most ignorant statement I've ever seen regarding CS, except for any statement made by Everquest players.
CS at the highest level is all about teamwork. Whether its jumping out at just the right time after a flash or nade, baiting yourself so your teammates can kill the enemy in the back, or being the one to shoot that enemy before he kills your teammate baiting himself.
Yes, sometimes teams choose to camp out a round or two to "moneyfk" their opponents. Or, if the situation comes down to a 1v3 or 1v4 or 1v5, its typically better to hide and try to save your gun for the next round. When you only play 12 rounds per half, conserving cash is extremely important to successful teamplay.
You're all speaking as if there are <b>plenty</b> of 'best' strategies in NS. In NS, there are only really a few 'tried and tested' strategies that work the best, these are the phasegate and jetpack rush. Any other strategy is a minor variation with a slight alteration. Currently in version 1.04 doesn't allow much room for variation in terms of 'best' strategy.
NS is different from CS, because strategically the game is controlled by a single player, the Commander. Any strategy that affects the outcome of the game will be based on decisions made by the commander. Therefore any 'best' strats learnt will usually be only applicable to the commander role.
Other than teamwork and better coordination, at the moment, there probably isn't that much difference in learning curves.
Personally I find that if you want to increase your skill and reflexes as a single player, you're better off playing on different public servers. It's too easy to become dependant on your teammates to watch your back and make the decisions for you.
The best strategies <b>do not</b> come from clans, they come about through experimentation rather than competitive play. When you have fun and don't take the game seriously, you often accidently discover something new that works. Competitive play is merely a refinement of those discoveries.
Man, seriously, if you can't have fun playing NS, then what is the point???
<!--QuoteBegin--Error404:+Apr 7 2003, 11:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Error404: @ Apr 7 2003, 11:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The best strategies <b>do not</b> come from clans, they come about through experimentation rather than competitive play. When you have fun and don't take the game seriously, you often accidently discover something new that works. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Erm, so clans don't experiment and can't have fun whilst playing seriously ?
Clans can experiment with strats far more then any pub team could do so. It's only natural that new strats filter down from clans as IMO it's damn difficult to develop a strat whilst on a pub due to the conditions.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->good thing 1.1 will make JP/HMG useless ^_^<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> how do u figure? details plz
<!--QuoteBegin--Stoneburg+Apr 7 2003, 01:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stoneburg @ Apr 7 2003, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So which car is the "best"?
A Ferrari or a Landrover? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> In relation to this thread, I'd have to say that the Landrover is best, because you can't fit a clan in a Ferrari.
the only reason I started this thread was to let good pub players know there is a lot to learn from match play. It wasn't a debate about pub or clan tactics being better, more fun, or anything else. It was a 100% honest kind gesture. I used to only play in pub games several months back, then I got into a clan and I'm a much better player for it.
I hoped my post would lead some others down the same path. And that was all.
True all of the strategies in use on pubs today were used by clans long ago, but all of these strategies were in use on pubs long ago as well. I'll allow that clans help to popularize the most effective strategies. But the suggestion that clans are actually the cause of these strategies' existance is absurd.
As for jp/hmg rush being the "best" strategy, that is a useless statement. In a battle with an opponent of any consequence your plan will usually go out the window in the first minute or so. I can never decide to be amused or annoyed when I see l337 clanners come into a pub game thinking they are gods gift to ns. They jump in the comm chair and 2 minutes later they are cussing out their own team because they weren't good enough for his ultimate all or nothing strategy.
I have been here on this forum for a year soon and I am quiet tired of the attitude among the "clan people." Do you really think that we who play on pub servers are inferior? I don't really understand this: Just because you got somekind of "tag" (or whatever you call it) infront of your name it makes you better?
I'm so tired of this. I left CS just because of the attitude towards new players and I come this, it's pathetic.
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<!--QuoteBegin--BreakfastSausages+Apr 8 2003, 02:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BreakfastSausages @ Apr 8 2003, 02:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> True all of the strategies in use on pubs today were used by clans long ago, but all of these strategies were in use on pubs long ago as well. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not in a clan, and I'm sure if I dedicated some time to it, I could come up with a few 'best' strategies.
I'm in a clan for one reason. Because it's more fun than a public server. FUN. It's what the games about. This is just my opinion, but public servers have llamas, players that really don't care, people that are playing for the first time, etc etc. Llamas + uncaring players + newbs = less fun. I have nothing against newbs, I do my duty, I help them out (i'd love to see ns grow and it won't with most of the players attitudes towards beginners). So it's just a personal question of which is more fun, it has nothing to do with tags, 1337ness, etc. BTW most clan people play pubs and matches, the anti clans play pubs.
ZunniThe best thing to happen to I&S in a long whileJoin Date: 2002-11-26Member: 10016Members
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the only reason I started this thread was to let good pub players know there is a lot to learn from match play. It wasn't a debate about pub or clan tactics being better, more fun, or anything else. It was a 100% honest kind gesture. I used to only play in pub games several months back, then I got into a clan and I'm a much better player for it.
I hoped my post would lead some others down the same path. And that was all.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I think the original post including the title was inflammitory....
While your intended result was to share a discovery you have made, instead it came across as being that if you are in a Clan, you are a good serious player, if you play on pubs, you are a "lesser" player.
Now that may have been an impression problem (though not intentional), I actually like the dialogue between the "factions". Clanners gave their side and made some good points, Pubbers made some excellent rebuttal points.
I just don't know if the debate about where a strat came from is fair....
Unless you have undisputed proof that strat A was used for the first time on this date, at this time and by this person/clan, you can't disprove where (clan/pub) the strat was developed....
Actually if you want the best strats, you'd have to join a very good competitive clan that organizes and practices a good ammount. Any clan would not do, for there are those who just play for fun, which is fine, but they are not going to find the most efficent way to win, which is fine also. A compeitive clan that has people thinking up new tactics as well as strategies will not only produce the best, but they will be able to adapt to new versions that come out, because of their dedication and practice to the game.
But <b>clan strats</b> are made for <b>clan matches</b>. The strat that works best in clan matches might not work at all on pubs, and vice versa, because the games are so <b>different</b>.
Ok, that's as clear and easy as I can make it, If people still misunderstand or don't agree, I can't help them.
<!--QuoteBegin--Error404:+Apr 7 2003, 01:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Error404: @ Apr 7 2003, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Stoneburg+Apr 7 2003, 01:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stoneburg @ Apr 7 2003, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So which car is the "best"?
A Ferrari or a Landrover? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> In relation to this thread, I'd have to say that the Landrover is best, because you can't fit a clan in a Ferrari.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ferrari
For F's sake people, IF YOU DON'T NEED AN ALL TERRAIN VEHICLE TO GO OFFROAD, <b>DON'T BUY ONE</b>.
The next time I can't turn right (in Aus, would be the equivalent of a left-turn to you americans) and can't because some IDIOT in a 4x4 (SUV) is blocking my sight <b>I WILL GO POSTAL</b>.
Ah-hem...
Yeah, clan strats good for clans... pub strats... um, yeah..
Minstrel_KnightThe truth and nothing but the truth...Join Date: 2002-11-21Member: 9562Banned
edited April 2003
<!--QuoteBegin--Stoneburg+Apr 9 2003, 02:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stoneburg @ Apr 9 2003, 02:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But <b>clan strats</b> are made for <b>clan matches</b>. The strat that works best in clan matches might not work at all on pubs, and vice versa, because the games are so <b>different</b>.
Ok, that's as clear and easy as I can make it, If people still misunderstand or don't agree, I can't help them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I must disagree here. A smart clan will always use the most effective known strategy. A strategy used in a pub game might be the concoction of some eight year old commander. The reason such a pub strategy won't work is obvious. On the other hand a clan strategy will work fine in a public game. If it doesn't work chances are it is due to poor teamwork and inferior play from the randomly skilled pub players. That does not make the strategy less effective or an inferior strategy. Any strategy clan or pub will fail if you team is a bunch of incomptent morons, but clan strategies are obviously superior. A strategies effectiveness is judged by its performance at the highest level of play not at the lowest. Chances are the pub strategy is actually the same as the clan strategy if you get a commander with half a brain say you for example.
<!--QuoteBegin--Stoneburg+Apr 9 2003, 02:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stoneburg @ Apr 9 2003, 02:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But <b>clan strats</b> are made for <b>clan matches</b>. The strat that works best in clan matches might not work at all on pubs, and vice versa, because the games are so <b>different</b>.
Ok, that's as clear and easy as I can make it, If people still misunderstand or don't agree, I can't help them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, but dont you think the clan members would find the most efficent way to win on a pub as well? Not to the extent of a clan match, but are you in the mindset that Clan members cannot think of public server tactics and strategies as well as just people who pub?
clan members play pubs and matches
pubbers, play only pubs.
Granted that organized play and pub play are different, but there are similarities between each of them that can be used either way. Clan members are more likely to figure that out because *gasp* they play both clan matches AND pubs.
now this is as clear and easy as I can make it, if YOU still misunderstand or do not agree, I cannot help you.
I agree, not only do you play the game for fun, but you play to win. Unless you are one of those people that doesn't like to win, then you play to get owned. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Clan strategies will work fine on pubs as long as your team can aim and has some skill.
They won't work if your team doesn't have the skill neccesary, in which case, it would make clan strategies worthless - and make something like hive lockdowns more viable.
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someone confronted the pubbers and they attacked him back :/
tis sad really, cus he's right
Well I'm sorry my man, but there arn't any prizes for good pub players, but plenty for Clan'ers
And I can go on servers and knife 8 people in one round on the other team, do I get to be like the best CS Knifer in The World for that one?
n000000000000bz
If you want to learn the best strats for a pub-game, join a good pub and/or read these forums.
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Thats all that needed saying really.
Neither is "better" they're different thats all.
Clan strats would be less effective in Pub games, and vice versa.
Whats to argue? its simple.
Well I'm sorry my man, but there arn't any prizes for good pub players, but plenty for Clan'ers
And I can go on servers and knife 8 people in one round on the other team, do I get to be like the best CS Knifer in The World for that one?
n000000000000bz <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope you're being satirical, for your own sake....
One person "attacked" him, the rest tried to explain to him that the two types of play are different. As usual people don't actually read or attempt to understand posts, they aren't interested in dialogue, only monologue. If you can't argue your position just do everyone a favour and keep it to yourself, these "I'm right because I say I am" posts are so pointless.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well I'm sorry my man, but there arn't any prizes for good pub players, but plenty for Clan'ers<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, and what are the cash prizes for NS clan play? AFAIK there are none. With your reasoning you should only play for "prizes"? Stick to CS and Quake then (for FPS). I play for fun, and public play is more fun then the predictable and somewhat anal clan gaming (in NS, in CS clan play is actually more fun then pub play).
In a clan game your primary task is to inform players (who already have a good idea of what they are supposed to be doing) what is going on in areas they cannot see.
In a pub game your primary task is to convince a group of random, probably clueless people to do something constructive.
The only difference is that in a public server game you have the added barrier of trying to work with people who do not understand what they are supposed to be doing. Apart from this barrier, and providing you can pull it off, what works in a clan game will work in a pub game. The rules of the game don't change.
You can possibly argue that some strategies might be easier to convince people to perform. Making them slightly more effective (relatively speaking) on a public server than they would be in a clan game, however:
Take a team capable of performing and understanding any strategy, and a clan commander onto a public server and use a clan strategy against a public server team and you will destroy them. That's pretty much a 'duh' statement.
Right from the start. Strats that are used in clan games are the best strats. Now before you start being stupid lets begin with a bit of analyzing. We have all seen the strats of ns change over the past several months. Currently the jp hmg rush is big in many pubs. Now lets think back for a moment or two. Who came up with this so popular strategy. Holy crap IT WAS CLANS. Now lets look at that, clans come up with strat, it spreads to pubs, suddenly its over used. Wow in this case the clan created strat WAS the best strat. It is at this moment in time the best strat in the game. I say best strat in the game because of its high success rate. Strategies are meant to win in the swifted most brutal fashion possible. I have seen this trend of clan strat turn pub strat since ns was release and the subsquent clans grew.
With this prime example that i have laid out for you, i clearly showed that clans are the leading developers of the pubs strats you all hold so dear. Every single strat that has ever been used on a pub for ns, was used in clan games long ago. I say this with 100% confidence. Now you can sit back and claim that your pubs are more fun, but that isn't the arguement here. Neither is the arguement that pub players are on a lower level of teamwork. This thread was clearly about best strats. BEST STRATS. The fact of the matter, clan games DO have the most effective strats, and as such they are the best strats.
As to their effectiveness on pubs. Ins't that great that it doesn't change the fact that if it isnt 100% effective on pubs that its still the best strat. A strat is only as good as its players, weak players can only do weak strats. They can not acheive the high teir strats. It is beyond their grasp. That, however, does not change the simple fact that those strats that were developed by clans have always and will always be the superior ones to any pub based strat ever created.
Next time you want to go post some random "elitist" clan player, as so many of you like to call it, try looking at your pubs. As much as you hate it, we popularized your strats long before you ever thought of them. You might think you know otherwise, but the fact is your wrong. Clans have had a direct impact in the strategic abilities throughout the ns pubs. Admit it or not, its true. You are naive and senile to think otherwise.
This is all i have to say on this matter. I will not post again in this thread because you have nothing that you can say that can disprove what i have said. Now it is your turn to sit and reflect on ns, and possibly you will realize what a dramatic effect these clans that you seem to dislike so much have on your everyday pub.
That is the single most ignorant statement I've ever seen regarding CS, except for any statement made by Everquest players.
CS at the highest level is all about teamwork. Whether its jumping out at just the right time after a flash or nade, baiting yourself so your teammates can kill the enemy in the back, or being the one to shoot that enemy before he kills your teammate baiting himself.
Yes, sometimes teams choose to camp out a round or two to "moneyfk" their opponents. Or, if the situation comes down to a 1v3 or 1v4 or 1v5, its typically better to hide and try to save your gun for the next round. When you only play 12 rounds per half, conserving cash is extremely important to successful teamplay.
NS is different from CS, because strategically the game is controlled by a single player, the Commander. Any strategy that affects the outcome of the game will be based on decisions made by the commander. Therefore any 'best' strats learnt will usually be only applicable to the commander role.
Other than teamwork and better coordination, at the moment, there probably isn't that much difference in learning curves.
Personally I find that if you want to increase your skill and reflexes as a single player, you're better off playing on different public servers. It's too easy to become dependant on your teammates to watch your back and make the decisions for you.
The best strategies <b>do not</b> come from clans, they come about through experimentation rather than competitive play. When you have fun and don't take the game seriously, you often accidently discover something new that works. Competitive play is merely a refinement of those discoveries.
Man, seriously, if you can't have fun playing NS, then what is the point???
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Erm, so clans don't experiment and can't have fun whilst playing seriously ?
Clans can experiment with strats far more then any pub team could do so. It's only natural that new strats filter down from clans as IMO it's damn difficult to develop a strat whilst on a pub due to the conditions.
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<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> Sorry don't understand the question.
A Ferrari or a Landrover?
how do u figure? details plz
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In relation to this thread, I'd have to say that the Landrover is best, because you can't fit a clan in a Ferrari.
I hoped my post would lead some others down the same path. And that was all.
As for jp/hmg rush being the "best" strategy, that is a useless statement. In a battle with an opponent of any consequence your plan will usually go out the window in the first minute or so. I can never decide to be amused or annoyed when I see l337 clanners come into a pub game thinking they are gods gift to ns. They jump in the comm chair and 2 minutes later they are cussing out their own team because they weren't good enough for his ultimate all or nothing strategy.
I'm so tired of this. I left CS just because of the attitude towards new players and I come this, it's pathetic.
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I'm not in a clan, and I'm sure if I dedicated some time to it, I could come up with a few 'best' strategies.
I hoped my post would lead some others down the same path. And that was all.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I think the original post including the title was inflammitory....
While your intended result was to share a discovery you have made, instead it came across as being that if you are in a Clan, you are a good serious player, if you play on pubs, you are a "lesser" player.
Now that may have been an impression problem (though not intentional), I actually like the dialogue between the "factions". Clanners gave their side and made some good points, Pubbers made some excellent rebuttal points.
I just don't know if the debate about where a strat came from is fair....
Unless you have undisputed proof that strat A was used for the first time on this date, at this time and by this person/clan, you can't disprove where (clan/pub) the strat was developed....
My 2 cents
Ok, that's as clear and easy as I can make it, If people still misunderstand or don't agree, I can't help them.
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Ferrari
For F's sake people, IF YOU DON'T NEED AN ALL TERRAIN VEHICLE TO GO OFFROAD, <b>DON'T BUY ONE</b>.
The next time I can't turn right (in Aus, would be the equivalent of a left-turn to you americans) and can't because some IDIOT in a 4x4 (SUV) is blocking my sight <b>I WILL GO POSTAL</b>.
Ah-hem...
Yeah, clan strats good for clans... pub strats... um, yeah..
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I must disagree here. A smart clan will always use the most effective known strategy. A strategy used in a pub game might be the concoction of some eight year old commander. The reason such a pub strategy won't work is obvious. On the other hand a clan strategy will work fine in a public game. If it doesn't work chances are it is due to poor teamwork and inferior play from the randomly skilled pub players. That does not make the strategy less effective or an inferior strategy. Any strategy clan or pub will fail if you team is a bunch of incomptent morons, but clan strategies are obviously superior. A strategies effectiveness is judged by its performance at the highest level of play not at the lowest. Chances are the pub strategy is actually the same as the clan strategy if you get a commander with half a brain say you for example.
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Yeah, but dont you think the clan members would find the most efficent way to win on a pub as well? Not to the extent of a clan match, but are you in the mindset that Clan members cannot think of public server tactics and strategies as well as just people who pub?
clan members play pubs and matches
pubbers, play only pubs.
Granted that organized play and pub play are different, but there are similarities between each of them that can be used either way. Clan members are more likely to figure that out because *gasp* they play both clan matches AND pubs.
now this is as clear and easy as I can make it, if YOU still misunderstand or do not agree, I cannot help you.
They won't work if your team doesn't have the skill neccesary, in which case, it would make clan strategies worthless - and make something like hive lockdowns more viable.