Strange Ambient Blue Lights
yutt
Join Date: 2002-11-16 Member: 8885Members, Reinforced - Gold
Join Date: 2002-11-16 Member: 8885Members, Reinforced - Gold
<div class="IPBDescription">Please help.</div> Okay... I just ran a new section of the map with lighting rendered, and there seems to be a strange problem. About 80% of the map has a unwanted ambient blue light. There doesn't seem to be any discernable pattern, but I am sure I am missing something.
<img src='http://www.yutt.net/withlight/withlight1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
You can see that some random sections of texture seem unaffected, but the exact same texture touching it is.
<img src='http://www.yutt.net/withlight/withlight3.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Once again, some textures seem impervious to the blue light.
<img src='http://www.yutt.net/withlight/withlight2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Other rooms are completely blue.
<img src='http://www.yutt.net/withlight/withlight4.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Not everywhere is lit, there are some, once again seemingly random, portions that have no light at all.
-I have <i>zero</i> blue lights on this map, there are a few yellow lights.
-Some of the rooms with the blue light problem have no lights at all in them.
If it was caused by blue lights I somehow accidentally placed that are completely undetectable, the lighting wouldn't be so uniform. And if it were some sort of minimum light level or ambient lighting there wouldn't be the unaffected faces and areas of darkness... right?
Can anyone help me out here? It would be very appreciated. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<img src='http://www.yutt.net/withlight/withlight1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
You can see that some random sections of texture seem unaffected, but the exact same texture touching it is.
<img src='http://www.yutt.net/withlight/withlight3.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Once again, some textures seem impervious to the blue light.
<img src='http://www.yutt.net/withlight/withlight2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Other rooms are completely blue.
<img src='http://www.yutt.net/withlight/withlight4.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Not everywhere is lit, there are some, once again seemingly random, portions that have no light at all.
-I have <i>zero</i> blue lights on this map, there are a few yellow lights.
-Some of the rooms with the blue light problem have no lights at all in them.
If it was caused by blue lights I somehow accidentally placed that are completely undetectable, the lighting wouldn't be so uniform. And if it were some sort of minimum light level or ambient lighting there wouldn't be the unaffected faces and areas of darkness... right?
Can anyone help me out here? It would be very appreciated. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Comments
Check for this in your paramiters: "ambient 0 0 1"
Check for this in your paramiters: "ambient 0 0 1"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thanks. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
But, what parameters are you referring to? Explicit please, a lot of this is new to me. ::blush::
It is a moon, but not from a skybox, it's a 'func_wall_toggle' with a 150 Additive Render mode to look like a hologram, it is not set to any color and there are no windows in that particular room.
Edit: Yes I am running the map in NS... why do you ask?
check the lights.rad for light sources.
At last it could be an error with the used textures wich makes them reflecting blue light only for no rational reason.
post the compilelog.
check the lights.rad for light sources.
At last it could be an error with the used textures wich makes them reflecting blue light only for no rational reason.
post the compilelog.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I had already checked the entity report for any possible blue lights I wasn't aware of. Also had already checked lights.rad just in case the textures happened to be listed. Found nothing in both cases.
Here is the log.
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hlcsg v2.5.3 rel Custom Build 1.6 (May 19 2002)
Zoner's Half-Life Tools -- Custom Build
Based on code modifications by Sean 'Zoner' Cavanaugh
Based on Valve's version, modified with permission.
Submit detailed bug reports to (merlinis@bigpond.net.au)
----- BEGIN hlcsg -----
Command line: C:\PROGRA~1\ZHLT\hlcsg.exe C:\Games\Half-Life\ns\maps\withlights
Entering C:\Games\Half-Life\ns\maps\withlights.map
Current hlcsg Settings
Name | Setting | Default
---------------------|-----------|-------------------------
threads [ 1 ] [ Varies ]
verbose [ off ] [ off ]
log [ on ] [ on ]
developer [ 0 ] [ 0 ]
chart [ off ] [ off ]
estimate [ off ] [ off ]
max texture memory [ 4194304 ] [ 4194304 ]
priority [ Normal ] [ Normal ]
noclip [ off ] [ off ]
null texture stripping[ on ] [ on ]
clipnode economy mode [ on ] [ on ]
onlyents [ off ] [ off ]
wadtextures [ on ] [ on ]
skyclip [ on ] [ on ]
hullfile [ None ] [ None ]
min surface area [ 0.500 ] [ 0.500 ]
brush union threshold [ 0.000 ] [ 0.000 ]
Warning: no wadfiles are specified in configuration '' --
Using map wadfile configuration
Wadinclude list :
[zhlt.wad]
7 brushes (totalling 42 sides) discarded from clipping hulls
CreateBrush:
(8.16 seconds)
SetModelCenters:
(0.00 seconds)
CSGBrush:
(2.62 seconds)
Using Wadfile: \games\half-life\ns\ns.wad
- Contains 46 used textures, 74.19 percent of map (578 textures in wad)
Using Wadfile: \games\half-life\ns\cached.wad
- Warning: Larger than expected texture (307980 bytes): 'CONBACK'
- Warning: Larger than expected texture (307980 bytes): 'LOADING'
- Contains 0 used textures, 0.00 percent of map (2 textures in wad)
Using Wadfile: \games\half-life\ns\decals.wad
- Contains 0 used textures, 0.00 percent of map (226 textures in wad)
Using Wadfile: \games\half-life\ns\hallwall_1.wad
- Contains 2 used textures, 3.23 percent of map (10 textures in wad)
Using Wadfile: \games\half-life\ns\ns_bast.wad
- Contains 2 used textures, 3.23 percent of map (22 textures in wad)
Using Wadfile: \games\half-life\ns\ns_eclipse.wad
- Contains 3 used textures, 4.84 percent of map (40 textures in wad)
Using Wadfile: \games\half-life\ns\ns_hera.wad
- Contains 0 used textures, 0.00 percent of map (65 textures in wad)
Using Wadfile: \games\half-life\ns\ns_nothing.wad
- Contains 1 used texture, 1.61 percent of map (5 textures in wad)
Using Wadfile: \games\half-life\ns\ns_tanith.wad
- Contains 0 used textures, 0.00 percent of map (50 textures in wad)
Using Wadfile: \games\half-life\ns\spraypaint.wad
- Contains 0 used textures, 0.00 percent of map (5 textures in wad)
Using Wadfile: \games\half-life\ns\ns_custom.wad
- Contains 7 used textures, 11.29 percent of map (8 textures in wad)
Using Wadfile: \games\half-life\ns\v_wad.wad
- Contains 0 used textures, 0.00 percent of map (80 textures in wad)
Warning: More than 8 wadfiles are in use. (12)
This may be harmless, and if no strange side effects are occurring, then
it can safely be ignored. However, if your map starts exhibiting strange
or obscure errors, consider this as suspect.
Warning: ::FindTexture() texture CLIP not found!
Warning: ::LoadLump() texture CLIP not found!
Texture usage is at 1.78 mb (of 4.00 mb MAX)
12.67 seconds elapsed
----- END hlcsg -----
hlbsp v2.5.3 rel Custom Build 1.6 (Jun 3 2002)
Zoner's Half-Life Tools -- Custom Build
Based on code modifications by Sean 'Zoner' Cavanaugh
Based on Valve's version, modified with permission.
Submit detailed bug reports to (merlinis@bigpond.net.au)
----- BEGIN hlbsp -----
Command line: C:\PROGRA~1\ZHLT\hlbsp.exe C:\Games\Half-Life\ns\maps\withlights
Current hlbsp Settings
Name | Setting | Default
-------------------|-----------|-------------------------
threads [ 1 ] [ Varies ]
verbose [ off ] [ off ]
log [ on ] [ on ]
developer [ 0 ] [ 0 ]
chart [ off ] [ off ]
estimate [ off ] [ off ]
max texture memory [ 4194304 ] [ 4194304 ]
priority [ Normal ] [ Normal ]
noclip [ off ] [ off ]
nofill [ off ] [ off ]
null tex. stripping [ on ] [ on ]
notjunc [ off ] [ off ]
subdivide size [ 240 ] [ 240 ] (Min 64) (Max 240)
max node size [ 1024 ] [ 1024 ] (Min 64) (Max 4096)
BSP generation successful, writing portal file 'C:\Games\Half-Life\ns\maps\withlights.prt'
6.24 seconds elapsed
----- END hlbsp -----
hlvis v2.5.3 rel Custom Build 1.6 (Jun 3 2002)
Zoner's Half-Life Tools -- Custom Build
Based on code modifications by Sean 'Zoner' Cavanaugh
Based on Valve's version, modified with permission.
Submit detailed bug reports to (merlinis@bigpond.net.au)
----- BEGIN hlvis -----
Command line: C:\PROGRA~1\ZHLT\hlvis.exe C:\Games\Half-Life\ns\maps\withlights
662 portalleafs
1755 numportals
-= Current hlvis Settings =-
Name | Setting | Default
-------------------|-----------|-------------------------
threads [ 1 ] [ Varies ]
verbose [ off ] [ off ]
log [ on ] [ on ]
developer [ 0 ] [ 0 ]
chart [ off ] [ off ]
estimate [ off ] [ off ]
max texture memory [ 4194304 ] [ 4194304 ]
max vis distance [ 0 ] [ 0 ]
priority [ Normal ] [ Normal ]
fast vis [ off ] [ off ]
full vis [ off ] [ off ]
BasePortalVis:
(2.09 seconds)
LeafThread:
(15.19 seconds)
average leafs visible: 105
g_visdatasize:20028 compressed from 54946
17.38 seconds elapsed
----- END hlvis -----
This may not fix your problem but...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[...]
However, if your map starts exhibiting strange or obscure errors, consider this as suspect.
[...]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it's time to break out all your obscure detective movie quotes because here is your prime suspect <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Warning: More than 8 wadfiles are in use. (12)
This may be harmless, and if no strange side effects are occurring, then
it can safely be ignored. However, if your map starts exhibiting strange
or obscure errors, consider this as suspect.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, you seem to be experiencing an obscure error, so maybe you should remove some wad files.
But, but... but... that was obvious... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'm trying it right now. That would be a rather strange error, but it <i>does</i> say strange and obscure errors.
from your log:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Warning: More than 8 wadfiles are in use. (12)
This may be harmless, and if no strange side effects are occurring, then
it can safely be ignored. However, if your map starts exhibiting strange
or obscure errors, consider this as suspect.</b>
Warning: ::FindTexture() texture CLIP not found!
Warning: ::LoadLump() texture CLIP not found!
Texture usage is at 1.78 mb (of 4.00 mb MAX)
12.67 seconds elapsed<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just use less different wadfiless - make a custom wadfile that includes the textures used in your map!
But, it does. I removed a few I wasn't using and the blue light went away. Remember, if ever you have strange or obscure errors, remove some wads first.
Thank you all <b>very much</b> for you help. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Thanks. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
It looks much better when it isn't blue. We'll be sure to post more when it is closer to completion, somewhere around 40% right now.
Now for those 'none' blue screenies, bin straining my eyes to see the map in that blue hehe.