Dod Going Retail

Speed_2_Dave · April 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">Smart market move?</div> trying to sell an almost 6 year old engine to poor unsuspecting people, is that a good idea? I mean, if people are stupid enough to believe they need different CD keys for CS and DoD, then more power to the marketing machine, but I find it BIZARRE for "public mods" to go retail, and yet remain free.

Thoughts/predictions?

Sam · April 2003

CS/Half life has been the top online FPS game for 4 to 5 years. No one has ever broken that record. They did it. DoD 4.0 or NS 1.1 is going to make it last even longer. This record will probably not be broken for a loooooonnnnnnggggggg time.

Rico · April 2003

I'll buy DoD retail.

That_Annoying_Kid · April 2003

DoD going retail will be just fine with me

NightfireTG · April 2003

o m g, i first used my "EnemyATheGates" screenname at DoD. i'm sure i'll give it a try.

but what i REALLY want to see is a retail version of NS or something. think of it, a box cover artwork on your favorite MOD in your room where you can see it daily <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Thansal · April 2003

DoD Retail: $30
CS Retail: $30
HL Game Of The Year Eddition: $20
Knowing that you got more content then the other 2 suckers: Priceless

Mastercard can buy most things, for everything else there is Spite.

They can sell it, they can make money off of it And I will still laugh at ANYONE who buys CS or DoD retail when they could have gotten HL, OpFor and all of the mods they could want for less $$

Look, those of you who were around for the release of CS retail will remember a few things:
1) It didn't work they left out some key things (like maps I think) that had to be patched almost instantly
2) there were new bugs that also had to be addresed in said patch

For those of you around now:
Go look at the Tech help for ANY mod out there, you will see that almost ever one has a pinned thread on how t make the game work with CS retail (and it aint always just CHANGE THE BLOODY PATH).

I congratulate any of the companies and the mod teams who manage to sell their mod (and STILL keep it free for us).

I Also Laugh my, wait not suposed to say that, off at those who buy it. You just payed $10 more then me and I got more product, not to mention that the product that you got came FREE with mine <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

DOOManiac · April 2003

I think its a good thing, because after all the hard work that mod authors put in its nice to see them get some kind of (small) financial reward for that.

TenSix · April 2003

Unless they get the CS: Condition Zero engine, its going to flop like Gunman due to such a low poly maps/models.

Dunsby · April 2003

Flop like CS Retail?

Butt_monkey_salad · April 2003

I gotta question:

Is there a particular reason y anybody with HL would buy CS or DoD retail? (not the people on 56k's) Is it to simply 'donate' a fund?

DOOManiac · April 2003

afaik, cs retail sold more copies than HL retail...

As far as gunman goes, I know quite a bit about it since I know the guy who was the head coder (that got him a job at gearbox too). And yeah, the engine was old when it came out, but only 3 years old. Not 5. For what it was, Gunman was pretty good.

I enjoyed Gunman quite a bit. I got a really, really big kick out of the cowboy/civil war-in-space theme it had going, I thought that was really really cool.

KungFuSquirrel · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Apr 10 2003, 03:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> They can sell it, they can make money off of it And I will still laugh at ANYONE who buys CS or DoD retail when they could have gotten HL, OpFor and all of the mods they could want for less $$
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I Also Laugh my, wait not suposed to say that, off at those who buy it. You just payed $10 more then me and I got more product, not to mention that the product that you got came FREE with mine <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Laugh all you want. I own original Half-Life, Opposing Force, Blue Shift, Gunman, Counter-Strike, and will own Day of Defeat. I still play the downloadable version of CS when I play, as I will with DoD, but I'll buy it the second it hits shelves. Why?

1) Their work is worth my money
2) I love collecting games as much as I love playing them - boxes, CDs, liner notes, manuals... all of it.

Laugh all you want - just know there's other reasons to buy this sort of thing than the game itself.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Unless they get the CS: Condition Zero engine, its going to flop like Gunman due to such a low poly maps/models. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

You overestimate the engine-level changes made to CZ... There's some changes, yes, but not enough that it'd make the difference between people buying it or not.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Flop like CS Retail?</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

This wins the award for the most mind-numbingly closed-minded statement of the thread... While CS was immensely popular prior to going retail, it was the retail release on top of the mod itself that put CS where it is today. Quite a flop for having at least tenfold the active players of any given game at any given time, and often times 50-60% of the online player base at any given moment (meaning equal or greater numbers in comparison to most online action games -combined.) Just because you personally don't like it doesn't mean it was a failure.

Thansal · April 2003

mmm, posibly but If I remember corectly...

KFS didn't you/Don't you have a job with a gaming company mapping for them?

why yes, yes you do (hehe, I know all your secrets, or atleast those that you post here <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>)

see that meens you have money, seeing how as I am hitting around $60 in my bank acount (soon to be less)

I will still be frugal with my spending <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

but yah, I see where you come from, if I had $$ I probably would have alot more games then I do <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

RotA_Plague · April 2003

Like said earlier Couter-Strike retail added countlessly to the Counter-Strike players out there. Retail Counter-Strike was not a stupid move by VAVLe at all. This added to the community extending Half-life's life span more. Day of Defeat is also a extremely popular mod that will gain many people to it, the same way Counter-Strike did. It is great to see developers that worked countless hours on a product that is for free and eventually get paid for it when expecting nothing in the first place. VAVLe is no where near a stupid comany, they made pretty good choices on what they want to do with their game and how they want to do it. These little retail versions of mods just means that you don't have to go find the newest verison of HL on shelves or go to buy a older verison and upgrade then go download then find this mod that you heard about download it filling a nice bit of your hard drive with unused files(Half-Life single player which I never even got around to finishing). It is a shame Gunman did go down, I was going to buy it but never had the money handy and when I did and worked my way to the store, I couldn't find it. VALVe also made good choices by instead of going and making needed expansion packs, you can just download updates or you could go and buy Blueshift or Opposing force(The are the equal to a expansion pack). The only thing I don't like is when VALVe takes a little too much control of a mod, like they did with Counter-Strike. Mods need to be able to expand by their original developers, unless they feel like dropping the project.

TenSix · April 2003

Yeah and with such low system requirments every 10 year old will be rushing to buy it at Wal Mart because besides Myst, its the only thing that will run on their Wal Mart special P133.

DizzyOne · April 2003

that $30 and $20 is bs

In the netherlands u can buy Halflife generation 1 for 16 euros, wich is HL cd+key and CS CD+key and Opforce CD+key, the 2nd generation with blue shift is 22 euros or something...

Now I dont know the difference between euros and $ exactly but I thought they were practicaly the same.

Infinitum · April 2003

Having been a long time member of the DoD community, and knowing quite a few of the dev team and mappers as personal friends I can safely say I have no problem forking over some cash to these guys.

A lot of the old skool DoD people are say they are gonna boycott the purchase of DoD Retail because the team sold out. Elitist BS like this ticks me off. I've got a few problems with VALVe, but the DoD Team have always been firm supporters of the community by and large and when the time comes I'll feel proud handing over my money to these guys.

Alas that a few of the PR, web and a few other people had to be 'fired', but still this is the way the real world works (Watch out MonsE ;o). Long live DoD Retail!!

Thansal · April 2003

umm, have you talked to them about this stuff as of late?

I would assume that they are not getting royalties from DoD (Though I might be mistacken) instead Activision pays them and Activision gets royalties.

oh, and as for the $20 and $30 those are MSRP, so o/l stores tend to sell them at that (amazon etc) I pulled those numbers directly off of EBGames' webbie

yes, I probably could find HL GotYE for$15 and under (wich is basicaly your generation 1) blue shift for $20 and under (I am guessing it is basicaly the same thing as your generation 2) and CS retail for $25 and under, however $doD will probably be starting at $30 every where

It still is cheaper to but HL Game of the year instead of picking up CS retail (or you could jst buy HL jewlcase from a bargain bin for like 5-10 ;D)

Infinitum · April 2003

They are under a NDA so I can't get anything outta them.. trust me I tried..

The most I got from one unnamed mapper "It was enough to pay for my brand new computer"

Maus · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Butt monkey salad @ Apr 10 2003, 06:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Is there a particular reason y anybody with HL would buy CS or DoD retail? (not the people on 56k's) Is it to simply 'donate' a fund?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Well, as a 56ker myself, I can say that it's no big deal really to leave a mod DLing overnight, or somesuch. That's how I got CS, DoD, and NS. Besides, it's easy enough to just grab a copy of the modsfrom a coverdisc if you can't be bothered with the download.

As for whether I'll buy DoD or not, it all comes down to what comes with it (not just game content, but manuals and such too), not to mention if it ever gets a UK release, since I think the only UK version of CS retail is packaged with HL Generations.

MedHead · April 2003

I won't buy Day of Defeat. The only reason I donated any money to Natural Selection is A. gameplay, and B. (most important) public relations. The staff who made Natural Selection (as well as many playtesters) are much more polite and willing to respond than any of the Day of Defeat team. The DoD forum staff are some of the worst I've seen. The DoD game staff don't respond quickly (I've seen threads that have gone on 8 pages before the staff responds with a simple one sentence reply). If public relations are bad, I don't bother buying.

So that's why I won't buy DoD. If the only reason I would buy DoD is to help out the staff that was rude to me, I won't bother.

However, if the game is good enough, and I can legally get it for free, I'll go for it.

Dod Going Retail

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