Not Enough Jp Thrust

Frankenstein · April 2003

Ive played on missile command about 200 games, but I always chose alien, heres why.
I cant accelerate fast enough with the JP to get up there. Is it true framerate determines how fast you will accelerate? I go a little bit farther dropping my pistol, having only 50 rounds of lmg ammo, and facing the wall. I still have to rest on the first platform, but others can accelate to the top! 1 out of 6 times i will make it up there, and i think that is a very futile attempt to kill a hive if u ask me. I got the resolution up kinda high, should I set it lower?
Overall, im a good player, this is the only thing i suck at.
Please HELP!

teh_Lurv · April 2003

Yes, JP thrust and fuel recharge is based on your frame rates.

JLINK · April 2003

well taht sux... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

Sam · April 2003

Get a better PC

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Frosty · April 2003

Tap the thrust, if you git it right you can aply g force (the speed at wich you fall) without loosing any charge (thus alowing you to hover in one place without hiting the cealing) if you do this with a jump you keep all the jumps enertia the whole time, sure your finger gets a bit cramped from the constant tap, but you can rise indefeinatly.

Paq · April 2003

Lower your resolution ----> better fps ----> better jp thrust
Or wait until 1.1 comes out <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

CplDavis · April 2003

If you already tried messing with your vid stats, can you

jump up to the second level can you recharge and then jump up the rest of the way?

Roobubba · April 2003

also read my Guide to Vsync/FPS on the general forum:
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=28768' target='_blank'>Roob's VSYNC/FPS guide</a>
I suggest running in a resolution no greater than 1024/768 (depending on if you have a godlike monitor or not). Also use OpenGL instead of D3D just in case you are...

use cl_showfps 1 to find out your framerate (top right corner).
Anything below ~70 and you won't be able to stick to ceilings indefinitely. you might be able to squeeze a higher FPS following my vsync guide anyway so check it out. All will be well in 1.1 apparently though <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Roo

blimp · April 2003

I kinda like net_graph 3 better than showfps
why 3? 1 and 2 has lameass graphs that I don't need. I only want the numbers.

running anything above 1024*768 is "stupid", if you don't have a kickass PC.
I used to play NS @ 30FPS, and it ain't fun. Bought myself a new PC, and now I have 99-100, and its more fun(not saying NS aint fun with 30FPS).

Taking a few hours to tweak NS is a good investment.

X_Stickman · April 2003

im running it on 1024*768, but because of some lameass problem (it happened on 800*600 too) i have to cap the fps at 30, on all of my games. pain in the **** really, but i can get all the way to the top in Misslecommand, and stay there a few seconds (long enough to unload about a clip of lmg into it)

Khaim · April 2003

you mihgt have stuck your moniter refresh rate on 30 at some point, that might be why your getting 30 FPS.

X_Stickman · April 2003

oh god, if it ever turns out to be something that simple.... i never thought of that. the thing that really got me annoyed about it was that my friend can get a fps of 72 on a way worse computer

Paq · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X_Stickman @ Apr 25 2003, 05:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> oh god, if it ever turns out to be something that simple.... i never thought of that. the thing that really got me annoyed about it was that my friend can get a fps of 72 on a way worse computer  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I think that he has v-sync off <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Check out the Tech Support forum for more information about this issue. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

That_Annoying_Kid · April 2003

or roo's fps/vsync guide in the generall discussion forums

AIRinc_FaReZ · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sam @ Apr 24 2003, 01:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Get a better PC

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
SAM! YOU!

Roobubba · April 2003

fps 30 indicates strongly that vsycn is ON but you're only running at 60Hz on your monitor.

Vsync on is good on moderate and better systems, as it avoids frame tearing which looks horrible.

Regardless of what fps you're getting, read my vsync/fps guide as it's very possible that your monitor refresh rate is 60Hz in game WITHOUT YOU KNOWING IT!
Only applies to win2k and winXP though.

Roo

juice · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sam @ Apr 24 2003, 12:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Get a better PC

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Thanks for the advice. I accept Paypal, checks, and money orders. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Frosty · April 2003

honestly if you get your tap rythem right you can go up (albeit slowly) without sucking any charge whatsoever, you can even just hover in one place (in big rooms you can make it were skulks cant get into bit range cus your not close enouph to a wall or cealing it fun <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>)

AIRinc_FaReZ · April 2003

As things stand now, you still need a good fps to fly properly. Its some weird bug. With fps at 30, one tap would send you about the height of a normal jump, while at fps 80, one tap sends you about 5 times that height. Its weird.

Zel · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Frosty @ Apr 26 2003, 01:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> honestly if you get your tap rythem right you can go up (albeit slowly) without sucking any charge whatsoever, you can even just hover in one place (in big rooms you can make it were skulks cant get into bit range cus your not close enouph to a wall or cealing it fun <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>)  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
you dont seem to understand. this tapping stuff only works if each tap has enough power to begin with.

at my 30ish fps tapping doesnt make me get off the floor, i have to hold it down to gain speed to go down a hallway... 1.1 claims to fix it all, w00 h00.

Paq · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Frosty @ Apr 26 2003, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> honestly if you get your tap rythem right you can go up (albeit slowly) without sucking any charge whatsoever, you can even just hover in one place (in big rooms you can make it were skulks cant get into bit range cus your not close enouph to a wall or cealing it fun <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>) </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Well honestly you might try to test your tapping stuff by your self with 30 fps.
Type "fps_max 30" in the console and tell me how it goes. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Oh, and try even lower fps, lets say 10 (That is my fps when i try to kill a well defended hive with jp/hmg). You will notice that you can't even lift from the floor, before your fuel runs out, no matter how hard you tap <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Rokiyo · April 2003

At 100fps I can recharge my jp back up to full without landing. I can also hold down the space bar and I will never stop rising (for those of u who can maintain 100fps, try holding down the jump button till u hit a low roof, and once the bar is emtpy and u can hear your jp cutting out, fly out past the low roof and into the higher area and u will notice u start to get higher and higher. Marine start in Hera is good for that)

At even 50fps I can't even hover in mid-air permanently anymore, no matter what my combination of taps etc...

Paq · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Revenge @ Apr 28 2003, 10:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> At 100fps I can recharge my jp back up to full without landing. I can also hold down the space bar and I will never stop rising (for those of u who can maintain 100fps, try holding down the jump button till u hit a low roof, and once the bar is emtpy and u can hear your jp cutting out, fly out past the low roof and into the higher area and u will notice u start to get higher and higher. Marine start in Hera is good for that)

At even 50fps I can't even hover in mid-air permanently anymore, no matter what my combination of taps etc...  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Me too. I have 80-100 fps in empty room and i dont have any difficulties to fight against 1-2 skulks with jp.
I can can fly as long as i want, but when the commander suggest that: "Hey lets make a huge jp/hmg rush in that well defended hive", i can almost hear when my graphic card starts to scream <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Ratfire · April 2003

If it really comes down to it, you're just going to have to wait until NS 1.1 when everything won't be so dependant on FPS anymore.

Ratfire

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