Ns_allbutnothing ?

OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
edited April 2003 in Mapping Forum
<div class="IPBDescription">to ripent or not to ripent</div> I know Ken20Banks is working on a 1.1 version of ns_nothing fixing the res imballance, ability to kill a hive trough the vent and more but I want this map to be more ballanced in its res placement NOW.

So I played around with ripent, deleted the res in cargo, moved the Res close to Marine spawn to the other side, added a "Natural selection" hologram in the ReadyRoom and called this rip-off "ns_allbutnothing".

Cargo still has ~1 more res than the oter hives but this res is spread more away from the hive itself and is not worth an early rush anymore because this little more res is harder to defend for its prize.

Release it or kill me?
Pics of the changings:
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  • DEADscottDEADscott Join Date: 2003-03-29 Member: 15022Members, Constellation
    Release it please.
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  • FamFam Diaper-Wearing Dog On A Ball Join Date: 2002-02-17 Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    The way I see it, you have no right to alter somebody elses work in this way, but I do believe it is up to Ken himself. Why did you not ask him before you made the post I wonder?
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  • H4nDC4PdH4nDC4Pd Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11500Members
    If its releases to the public it seems to me that its fine if its changed as long as the right people are notified and aprove
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  • CyborgguineapigCyborgguineapig Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3233Members
    Hmm, for some reason I have to agree with Fam. After all, I wouldn't want someone releasing "their" own version of my peice of art. My 2 $
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  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ollj+Apr 27 2003, 10:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ollj @ Apr 27 2003, 10:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Release it or kill me? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    well, since you asked...


    die
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  • EkajEkaj Creator of ns_mineshaft, co_core Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 95Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ollj+Apr 27 2003, 12:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ollj @ Apr 27 2003, 12:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Release it or kill me?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'd have to go with the latter.
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  • realityisdeadrealityisdead Employed by Raven Software after making ns_nothing Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 94Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited April 2003
    Don't release the level, Ollj.

    I have a copyright notice about my levels at the bottom of my website, found <a href='http://tald.readyroom.org' target='_blank'>here</a>:

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The levels found within this site are for public distribution, and are to be downloaded for personal use only. In no way shall there be a charge for their use whatsoever. Distribution through any means other than general Internet/BBS use is forbidden, unless written permission is acquired. Authors may NOT use any of the levels found within as a base for the creation of other levels. Period.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Legalities aside, I really can't say I personally appreciate this.
    I'm perfectly capable of making these changes myself, and am not sure why you decided you needed to take it into your own hands.

    I would have been more open to a direct suggestion, either through email or a forum post here. For example, I do actually think that change you made by moving the node near the marine start to the other room is pretty interesting. Might be something to consider. Thing is, I think a lot of people would be pretty surprised by the actual number of suggestions I've directly received on issues like this before having to witness the complaints third-hand, or even have it come to measures as drastic as this. It rhymes with "hero".

    Heh.

    Sorry, I appreciate your inentions, but I'm going to have to request that you don't release the modified map. I can only see it harming the real map's playtime and credibility, and that's not something I'd be thrilled about.
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  • R0x0r_Mc0wnageR0x0r_Mc0wnage Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15168Members
    Anyone who modifies a map like that and wants to publicy release it should be strung up by their toes. I'll take door #2 dave.
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  • Elite_GuardElite_Guard Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10258Members
    killkillkill!!! <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • KungFuSquirrelKungFuSquirrel Basher of Muttons Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I... hmm.

    Stay the hell away from Eclipse.
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  • RR_Co-NRR_Co-N Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10524Members
    this is ridiculous.

    Cant believe you asked.... as if you thought people would agree.

    I dont think any mapper would be thrilled with this kind of behavior.

    Good suggestions but next time keep it to that. my 2 cents.
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  • OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
    Ok then take it as suggestion and stop killing, I have nothing released (not nothing o0 ) for exactly that reasons.
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  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    Whilst I am strongly against modifing and releasing someone else's work (voogru I'm looking at YOU <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->) the suggested new res locations are actually quite good. I personally would have perhaps altered the map in the manner you've done, taken screenies and then posted them as a suggestion to the maker, making it clear that you only undertook alterations to show clearly where your suggested changes were. Even better probably would have been to take the overhead map view and just show the changes there.

    So, good suggestions, but a thumbs down to releasing this.
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  • blue2kblue2k Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4025Members
    its considered bad form to adjust another creators content without their express permission, and its even worse to release it. although you obviously mean well, it detracts from the mappers updated release.
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  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    edited April 2003
    Well, frankly, you should have asked ken's permission before you even opened ripent, let alone changed the map and posted about it.
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  • exoityexoity Join Date: 2003-03-17 Member: 14620Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    How did you get the files for the map? =\
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  • realityisdeadrealityisdead Employed by Raven Software after making ns_nothing Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 94Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Thanks for not releasing it, Ollj!
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  • Hand_Me_The_Gun_And_Ask_Me_AgainHand_Me_The_Gun_And_Ask_Me_Again Join Date: 2002-02-07 Member: 178Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--[RR] Co-N+Apr 27 2003, 04:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([RR] Co-N @ Apr 27 2003, 04:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont think any mapper would be thrilled with this kind of behavior. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <a href='http://parallax.webhop.org/someplace-else.html' target='_blank'>I would.</a>
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  • Elite_GuardElite_Guard Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10258Members
    edited April 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Hand Me The Gun And Ask Me Again+Apr 27 2003, 01:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hand Me The Gun And Ask Me Again @ Apr 27 2003, 01:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--[RR] Co-N+Apr 27 2003, 04:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([RR] Co-N @ Apr 27 2003, 04:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont think any mapper would be thrilled with this kind of behavior. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <a href='http://parallax.webhop.org/someplace-else.html' target='_blank'>I would.</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I dont get it
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  • KungFuSquirrelKungFuSquirrel Basher of Muttons Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Elite Guard+Apr 27 2003, 06:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Elite Guard @ Apr 27 2003, 06:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Further explain im not reading that whole site. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you read the site, you'd understand pretty clearly:

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    <b>Source</b> - Available on request! Just give a sensible reason as to why you want it, and you can build a new map out of it.
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    The difference being, if you have a good reason, he <i>may</i> grant permission to use the original source files. A respectible way to go around it rather than simply ripping and replacing the entities without asking any sort of permission.
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  • CatpokerCatpoker Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 816Members
    MY GOD PEOPLE!!!!

    its not like it haxed the map, and released it saying it was his!

    he didnt even release it! he even ASKED!!!!

    he simply moded an existing map, just for his sake!

    voogru did it and we praise him!
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  • AezayAezay Join Date: 2003-04-19 Member: 15660Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Catpoker+Apr 27 2003, 09:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Catpoker @ Apr 27 2003, 09:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> he simply moded an existing map, just for his sake!

    voogru did it and we praise him! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    we do? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
    many do.
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  • PlaguebearerPlaguebearer Join Date: 2002-03-21 Member: 338Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Many revile him, as well.
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