yeah anyway I'll never be a PT even if there was a server <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
edit: but it's for those Torment , Nova, DW and d/y (etc) guys <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Can someone be so friendly to explain to me what the national origin of the vets has to do with their qualification in stress-testing NS1.1? Lately, I got multiple people telling me that 'the American clans' will change NS the way they like. All I can say, look the word 'playtesting' up. None of us, not vets and not PTs, has the last say in <i>any</i> gameplay related descision. We're testers, not designers, so stop it.
Aside from this, all arguments center around European clanplayers who would've loved to play 1.1 before the rest, and now act as if they had had stellar chances at making it in if only considered. All I can suggest is to stop whining and trying to become productive members of the community - PTs are chosen from everywhere.
[edit]<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And then when you look at the actual world politic its easy to see some paralels...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, <i>yes</i>. I think we can now announce that with 1.1, NS will experience a namechange to FS (guess what the 'F' stands for), and every map will include a bottle of French water that, when destroyed, gives the team a boost of 150 RP because it helps your economy to boycott the products of those wussies. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->[/edit]
<span style='color:white'>For those of you not using a proxy... when you get the "Page not found" when reporting a post... it sent the report. Trust me. Getting multiple reports doesn't help. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--></span>
nem, not all of us Europeans have sour grapes at not being playtesters. I am happy to wait until 1.1 is ready for release, after everything has been done that needs to be done. I don't want to play the game before anyone else (well, any more than the next guy).
As usual, it's the actions of a few that rub off on the rest, just wanted to say that <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
For what it's worth too, there are greater numbers of Americans playing HL mods than there are Brits (and probably Europeans too) because, hey it's a much bigger country. Consequently, there are more likely to be more Americans in the community!
I think we should be just spreading the loving while we wait for the mod <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
ThinGLord of wub and vlaaiJoin Date: 2003-04-11Member: 15400Members, Reinforced - Supporter
Define spreading the love <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Seems tome like NS is much bigger in US then in EU, I live in Sweden and only play on US servers because the EU ones are... crap, and that's when they aren't empty, which is the case most of the time..
<!--QuoteBegin--Stoneburg+May 2 2003, 07:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stoneburg @ May 2 2003, 07:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Seems tome like NS is much bigger in US then in EU, I live in Sweden and only play on US servers because the EU ones are... crap, and that's when they aren't empty, which is the case most of the time.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> then either sir you play at strange times of the day, or you've never heard of Roob's *No time for Muppets* NS 1.04 (CDreq), 163.1.180.217:27016 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
And Nem, I'm not sure I follow, are you annoyed that there's a lack of euro playtesters (is there? I don't know), or that people are whining about it?
God I hate anti-americanism (and I'm a European) Go Yanks!!
On the issue of the NS community I think there's about 50 to 75 difference in the amount of servers registered with 'all seeing eye'.
On a side note, anyone notice the NS community is shrinking or at the very least stagnate? The amount of servers on all seeing eye is now well below 500, it use to hover around the 500 mark. Please don't reply if you feel the need to defend NS, only intelligent people with some interesting numbers please. (hmm maybe this should be a topic on it's own)
Which is why Flayra is hoping 1.1 will 'explode' (see front page)
<!--QuoteBegin--Roobubba+May 2 2003, 02:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roobubba @ May 2 2003, 02:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think we should be just spreading the loving while we wait for the mod <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Roo <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Heh sure thing. Ill come by your server tonight if you're there and we can bring our guitars and all of us sit down in the readyroom and sing together <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
OR just getting pwned on ns_hera <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Yeah I coudnt believe myself that the devs didnt even register #naturalselection on quakenet...
[edit] hmm Too bad Animosity's (T right?) post got edited becuz I was relying on that one, and I have to say I agree with what he 'was' saying... [/edit]
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And Nem, I'm not sure I follow, are you annoyed that there's a lack of euro playtesters (is there? I don't know), or that people are whining about it?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Let's see - how many European PTs can I name from the top of my mind?
Fam, Freestyler, Necro, Imma, Grendel, Joev, Merkaba, and of course me. I'm sure there are more and apologize to whomever I forgot. There are lots of European PTs, there always were (which shows how dedicated fools we are - most big PT games are scheduled for times at which Flayra can make it, i.e. around 0 am GMT). No need to complain about that.
What I am angry about is the constant 'we're treated unfairly' attitude some parts of our community display. In this special case, we see the European portion of them rising, but this doesn't mean there aren't lots of Americans who'd do the same thing.
Folks, read this, and read this carefully. I've 'known' Flayra for longer than any of you, and he knew from post 1 where I am from. Never have I been treated biased. There is no 'anti-European' -, 'anti-European clans' -, or 'anti-European PT' - bias here, there's only a general 'anti-jerk' - bias. When Flayra needed competitive players to test 1.1, it was easiest to get them from a source he knew. That's about it. Seeing that one of the vets is doing the turkish translation of NS, one can't even call the thus resulting group strictly American.
Now move on and find something that's actually worth this kind of complaint.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Nem - In that case, how come we never see ya on pubs etc? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There are multiple reasons - first, you <i>can</i> find me on pubs, but as I'm using a 'shotgun' approach on connecting to servers (open ASE, join the first one my cursor hovers over), you'll seldomly see me join the same server twice, second, I'm pretty busy with NS related stuff, such as moderating these forums, which reduces my gaming time drastically, and third, I've always been a casual gamer at best, so I'm just not playing every day. Right now, I'm also working on my exams, which makes my appearances even more sparse.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[edit] hmm Too bad Animosity's (T right?) post got edited becuz I was relying on that one, and I have to say I agree with what he 'was' saying... [/edit] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then let him repeat it in a less offensive manner, and I'll be happy to discuss it.
BUT that's down to several clans just being down right lame. A lot of the top 5 refuse to play simply because they dont want to lose. We've played every top european clan and beat them 4-0 in pcws/some officials and it really it that simple: they are **** scared which is a shame. I'd only recommend a couple of european clans for playtesting as there are some decent clans with a decent attitude as well.
But don't let clanbase fool you itno thinking we aren't active, far from it, clans are always playing, just usually pcws organised through irc rather than clanbase. Infact, most clans are just fed up of 1.04's unfairness and would prefer official matches when 1.1 is out.
Even though no matches have been reported for torment on cb lately, in the last 5 days we've played about 6-7 matches . Perhaps if clans were willing to put ALL matches thru clanbase you'd maybe take a bit more notice?
unfortunately ive found that only offensive posts / emails get replies. yes ive mailed flayra on multiple occasions asking decent questions and putting ideas forward, all ignored until i got fed up, only that one seemed to be worth a reply. IF you would like a civilised discussion about this id be more than happy, but as you can tell.. being nice doesnt always get you attention does it.
if you want to talk to me im Animosity on quakenet (#torment) and Anim^ on gamesnet (#syn or #eve)
if you want to flame me, go for it. i do enjoy a good chuckle <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Folks, read this, and read this carefully. I've 'known' Flayra for longer than any of you<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> so nem if u knew flayra for that long and you were in the USA you would have probably of been a PT, but ur not from USA and your not a PT. And about matches, G is right, Relic have played 7 games in the last 7 days, none of which is on CB. just because we dont post our matches on a league flayra might look at, or connect to a USA irc server and ask for pcws vs americans doesnt mean we dont play games.
Erm... I <i>am</i> a PT. Was since the first internet playtests of 1.0. That's what I hinted at oh-so-subtely when writing:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Let's see - how many European PTs can I name from the top of my mind?
The 'moderator' group outranks the 'playtester' group, that's all.
[edit]Reading through this, I realize that I could supply the pope and a chorus of angels as witnesses, you'd still not believe me. Why? Because you want a new toy, and someone else got it before you. And that's unfair! It's got to be! Believe whatever you wish, but further complaints about this subject will be deleted. Neither I, nor the most of the community, I assume, have got the patience for this.
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edit: but it's for those Torment , Nova, DW and d/y (etc) guys <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Lately, I got multiple people telling me that 'the American clans' will change NS the way they like. All I can say, look the word 'playtesting' up. None of us, not vets and not PTs, has the last say in <i>any</i> gameplay related descision. We're testers, not designers, so stop it.
Aside from this, all arguments center around European clanplayers who would've loved to play 1.1 before the rest, and now act as if they had had stellar chances at making it in if only considered. All I can suggest is to stop whining and trying to become productive members of the community - PTs are chosen from everywhere.
[edit]<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And then when you look at the actual world politic its easy to see some paralels...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, <i>yes</i>.
I think we can now announce that with 1.1, NS will experience a namechange to FS (guess what the 'F' stands for), and every map will include a bottle of French water that, when destroyed, gives the team a boost of 150 RP because it helps your economy to boycott the products of those wussies. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->[/edit]
<span style='color:white'>For those of you not using a proxy... when you get the "Page not found" when reporting a post... it sent the report. Trust me. Getting multiple reports doesn't help. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--></span>
As usual, it's the actions of a few that rub off on the rest, just wanted to say that <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
For what it's worth too, there are greater numbers of Americans playing HL mods than there are Brits (and probably Europeans too) because, hey it's a much bigger country. Consequently, there are more likely to be more Americans in the community!
I think we should be just spreading the loving while we wait for the mod <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Roo
then either sir you play at strange times of the day, or you've never heard of Roob's *No time for Muppets* NS 1.04 (CDreq), 163.1.180.217:27016
<!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
And Nem, I'm not sure I follow, are you annoyed that there's a lack of euro playtesters (is there? I don't know), or that people are whining about it?
Roo
On the issue of the NS community I think there's about 50 to 75 difference in the amount of servers
registered with 'all seeing eye'.
On a side note, anyone notice the NS community is shrinking or at the very least stagnate?
The amount of servers on all seeing eye is now well below 500, it use to hover around the 500 mark.
Please don't reply if you feel the need to defend NS, only intelligent people with some interesting numbers please.
(hmm maybe this should be a topic on it's own)
Which is why Flayra is hoping 1.1 will 'explode' (see front page)
I think we should be just spreading the loving while we wait for the mod <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Roo <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh sure thing. Ill come by your server tonight if you're there and we can bring our guitars and all of us sit down in the readyroom and sing together <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
OR just getting pwned on ns_hera <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
[edit] hmm Too bad Animosity's (T right?) post got edited becuz I was relying on that one, and I have to say I agree with what he 'was' saying... [/edit]
Let's see - how many European PTs can I name from the top of my mind?
Fam, Freestyler, Necro, Imma, Grendel, Joev, Merkaba, and of course me. I'm sure there are more and apologize to whomever I forgot.
There are lots of European PTs, there always were (which shows how dedicated fools we are - most big PT games are scheduled for times at which Flayra can make it, i.e. around 0 am GMT). No need to complain about that.
What I am angry about is the constant 'we're treated unfairly' attitude some parts of our community display. In this special case, we see the European portion of them rising, but this doesn't mean there aren't lots of Americans who'd do the same thing.
Folks, read this, and read this carefully. I've 'known' Flayra for longer than any of you, and he knew from post 1 where I am from. Never have I been treated biased. There is no 'anti-European' -, 'anti-European clans' -, or 'anti-European PT' - bias here, there's only a general 'anti-jerk' - bias. When Flayra needed competitive players to test 1.1, it was easiest to get them from a source he knew. That's about it.
Seeing that one of the vets is doing the turkish translation of NS, one can't even call the thus resulting group strictly American.
Now move on and find something that's actually worth this kind of complaint.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Nem - In that case, how come we never see ya on pubs etc? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There are multiple reasons - first, you <i>can</i> find me on pubs, but as I'm using a 'shotgun' approach on connecting to servers (open ASE, join the first one my cursor hovers over), you'll seldomly see me join the same server twice, second, I'm pretty busy with NS related stuff, such as moderating these forums, which reduces my gaming time drastically, and third, I've always been a casual gamer at best, so I'm just not playing every day.
Right now, I'm also working on my exams, which makes my appearances even more sparse.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[edit] hmm Too bad Animosity's (T right?) post got edited becuz I was relying on that one, and I have to say I agree with what he 'was' saying... [/edit] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then let him repeat it in a less offensive manner, and I'll be happy to discuss it.
BUT that's down to several clans just being down right lame. A lot of the top 5 refuse to play simply because they dont want to lose. We've played every top european clan and beat them 4-0 in pcws/some officials and it really it that simple: they are **** scared which is a shame. I'd only recommend a couple of european clans for playtesting as there are some decent clans with a decent attitude as well.
But don't let clanbase fool you itno thinking we aren't active, far from it, clans are always playing, just usually pcws organised through irc rather than clanbase. Infact, most clans are just fed up of 1.04's unfairness and would prefer official matches when 1.1 is out.
Even though no matches have been reported for torment on cb lately, in the last 5 days we've played about 6-7 matches . Perhaps if clans were willing to put ALL matches thru clanbase you'd maybe take a bit more notice?
yes ive mailed flayra on multiple occasions asking decent questions and putting ideas forward, all ignored until i got fed up, only that one seemed to be worth a reply. IF you would like a civilised discussion about this id be more than happy, but as you can tell.. being nice doesnt always get you attention does it.
if you want to talk to me im Animosity on quakenet (#torment) and Anim^ on gamesnet (#syn or #eve)
if you want to flame me, go for it. i do enjoy a good chuckle <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
so nem if u knew flayra for that long and you were in the USA you would have probably of been a PT, but ur not from USA and your not a PT.
And about matches, G is right, Relic have played 7 games in the last 7 days, none of which is on CB. just because we dont post our matches on a league flayra might look at, or connect to a USA irc server and ask for pcws vs americans doesnt mean we dont play games.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Let's see - how many European PTs can I name from the top of my mind?
Fam, Freestyler, Necro, Imma, Grendel, Joev, Merkaba, <b>and of course me.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The 'moderator' group outranks the 'playtester' group, that's all.
[edit]Reading through this, I realize that I could supply the pope and a chorus of angels as witnesses, you'd still not believe me. Why? Because you want a new toy, and someone else got it before you. And that's unfair! It's got to be!
Believe whatever you wish, but further complaints about this subject will be deleted. Neither I, nor the most of the community, I assume, have got the patience for this.
<span style='color:red'>***Locked.***</span>[/edit]