General Idiot Questions.

BadKarmaBadKarma The Advanced Literature monsters burned my house and gave me a 7 Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8260Members
Taken me a while to get around to this.

1. What does abtm stand for?
2. What does ROFL stand for?
3. What does LMAO stand for?
4. The most important: When does it really start to slow down? I get 20fps on average and it dosnt bother me at all. Also, why would 30 fps be better if i cant tell the differance?

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  • SandrockSandrock Join Date: 2002-12-16 Member: 10905Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    1. Not sure
    2. Rolling on floor laughing
    3. Laughing my (butt) off
    4. I can tell a difference, so you should be able to as well.
  • includeinclude aka RpTheHotrod Dallas, TX Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12027Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    All because they don't know, doesn't mean they are idiots.

    Also, what's the point of this topic. Seems rather off-topic, if you ask me.
  • abtmabtm Join Date: 2003-04-08 Member: 15337Members
    All the fame Belongs To Me - abtm <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    and the rest was explained, now go away KTHX
  • includeinclude aka RpTheHotrod Dallas, TX Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12027Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    Maybe it means

    All Blame To Me


    that's what your name stands for? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • abtmabtm Join Date: 2003-04-08 Member: 15337Members
    Shut up <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CatpokerCatpoker Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 816Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->4. The most important: When does it really start to slow down? I get 20fps on average and it dosnt bother me at all. Also, why would 30 fps be better if i cant tell the differance? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    the eye precives motion that (i think) 16 Frames Per Second......

    but that doesnt mean that it does not effect the game.

    build speeds, jetpack fuel and leap damage (?) all depend on FPS, so higher FPS gives you a little bit of an edge
  • SuicideRusherSuicideRusher Join Date: 2003-02-23 Member: 13893Members
    the human eye can actualy see up to 200 fps or so, the 30 fps thing is just an urban legend

    wonder why you can tell the difference between 30 and 100 fps?
  • NarfNarf Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2609Members
    I used to play DoD at 15 fps and I never really minded, but after I started playing NS and DoD at 100 fps I could NEVER go back to 15 fps, it hurt me eyes it seemed so choppy.
  • KenichiKenichi This is not a pie. Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2941Members, NS1 Playtester
    They eye can indeed tell the difference between say 30fps and 60fps
    personally i can tell the difference between 60 and up to around 80ish. After that it becomes very difficult to disquinsh the difference. The thing is this. Although the human eye can see things at a certain rate, the computer has to display them at their own rate in order to keep up a smooth flow and transitions. Otherwise it is choppy. SO you could simply say, although the human eye is claimed to see only at a certain rate, the computers have to produce the image much faster for it to be un-noticable.
  • the_stalkerthe_stalker Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 49Members
    edited May 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Narf+May 9 2003, 02:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Narf @ May 9 2003, 02:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I used to play DoD at 15 fps and I never really minded, but after I started playing NS and DoD at 100 fps I could NEVER go back to 15 fps, it hurt me eyes it seemed so choppy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i like 15 fps <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • northwindnorthwind Join Date: 2003-05-06 Member: 16092Members, Constellation
    It was discovered in a US Defense study that the human eye can accurately perceive an image in 1/220th of a second. Perhaps your eye is not as fast as whomever they were testing but I find it hard to believe you're unable to tell the difference upward of 30.

    The eye doesn't actually perceive in "frames per second" but it is acceptable to rate it that way I suppose. Trust me, Catpoker, it is far higher than 16fps. Have a think about the implications if we only got a visual update sixteen times a second!
  • littlewildlittlewild Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9467Members
    LoL
    you can tell the difference between 60 and 80 fps when your monitor's refresh rate is probably 60mhz?
  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    does the same go for monitor refesh rates? i used to have my monitor on 60(mhz?) and it would hurt my eyes after a while, not its set on 80 and my eyes dont hurt <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    *joins thread hijackers*

    hey Karma, check out my latest fan fic!
  • Brave_UlyssesBrave_Ulysses Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15922Members
    I played Planescape: Torment at its default rate of 30 fps. Then I found I could fiddle with one of its config files to up it to (a maximum of) 60 fps. And boy did I notice a difference!

    I get less than 20 fps when I play NS and it really DOES make a diff because accurately aiming at skulks = almost impossible. Hence why I consider myself more skilled than you all! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • OkaboreOkabore Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9505Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--UnderDOG+May 8 2003, 11:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UnderDOG @ May 8 2003, 11:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> does the same go for monitor refesh rates? i used to have my monitor on 60(mhz?) and it would hurt my eyes after a while, not its set on 80 and my eyes dont hurt <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I hope that you don't mean that you have 80 mili hertz monitor because that would hurt <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
    And if you meant mega then I want your monitor <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    But to be serious, I don't think you can consiously see the differens betwene 65 Hz and 80 while looking straight at it. If you're even the least bit sensitiv though your head will start to hurt after a while. My favorit way to fast check the refresh rate is to look at the screen thruw the cornour of my eye. The flickering is easy to see that way.
  • Brave_UlyssesBrave_Ulysses Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15922Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Okabore+May 9 2003, 06:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Okabore @ May 9 2003, 06:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> look at the screen thruw the cornour of my eye. The flickering is easy to see that way. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes - I use this technique to determine if my refresh rate will afect my eyes adversely.
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    no you can tell the difference between 65 and 80, especially in BRIGHT areas.

    The thing is, even if you don't notice, your eyes strain at a low refresh rate
  • BadKarmaBadKarma The Advanced Literature monsters burned my house and gave me a 7 Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8260Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--th@ annoying kid+May 8 2003, 11:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (th@ annoying kid @ May 8 2003, 11:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> *joins thread hijackers*

    hey Karma, check out my latest fan fic! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Sure. And thanks for the awnsers all.
  • relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
    abtm - a bit too much
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    ok, here is the deal

    the "threshold" where you have a 50/50 chance of picking up the flicker is at 60 Htz! not FPS, HL Fps is not actualy a real measure (so far as I can tell <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)

    so yah, if you can set you moniter to over 60Hz, do so it will probably cause less strain (thus fewer hedaches)

    and yah, getting 100 FPS can give you a knowticable diff, though dicerning beteen 100 and 90 is hard, but telling 100 from 60 aint that hard <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    Look at Half-Life at 30 FPS, then look at it at 60 FPS. You'll definately notice a certain smoothness at 60 FPS and a small choppyness at 30 FPS.
  • hellokittyhellokitty riotkitty Join Date: 2003-04-09 Member: 15348Members
    ahh, internet abbreviations... i remember when i first got online and talked to ppl on aim, i thought <i>lol</i> was a smilie. i was like...are they making a surprised face? wth!?
    anyways...i never used lol til recent times.
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    I notice when things are below 60 fps. While above 50 is tolerable, I just can't stand to play anything with less than 50fps...
  • Gimpy_Doodly_DooGimpy_Doodly_Doo Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14521Members
    I want 100 fps. I got a brand new ATI card and I still cannot get over 71 fps. It maxes out there and stays there at 1024*768 I read somwhere that there is a fix for this but I cannot find it now.
  • MoquiaoMoquiao Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16168Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--hellokitty+May 9 2003, 02:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hellokitty @ May 9 2003, 02:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ahh, internet abbreviations... i remember when i first got online and talked to ppl on aim, i thought <i>lol</i> was a smilie. i was like...are they making a surprised face? wth!?
    anyways...i never used lol til recent times. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    LOL!
  • TeoHTeoH Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11640Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Gimpy Doodly Doo+May 12 2003, 10:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gimpy Doodly Doo @ May 12 2003, 10:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I want 100 fps. I got a brand new ATI card and I still cannot get over 71 fps. It maxes out there and stays there at 1024*768 I read somwhere that there is a fix for this but I cannot find it now. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Open the console and type /fps_max 100

    Then make sure your monitor is either refreshing at 100hz, or you have vysnc switched off.

    Concerning the rest of the thread - Most people can discern framerates above 60fps if they can actually get their framerate that high. Note that to actually see the benefits of a 100fps engine framerate, you need a monitor that is refreshing at 100hz. Having a video card draw a scene 100 times a second is pretty worthless when your monitor is only updating its image 60 times a second.

    "Smooth" is also relative. Play at 30fps for a significant period of time and you will consider this framerate normal. Play at 100fps for a week and 30fps looks unplayable.
  • GreyPawsGreyPaws Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
    i can tell the diffrance between 72 (default) and 100
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