Ahh... That would blow... There are free fileplanet servers though and I'm pretty sure NS is somewhere on there seeing as how everything is... "But NS shall forever remain free for the worshippers of the one true god" -The Book Of Flayra 13:4
Even better idea! What if Flayra posts the binary code for NS on the forums!
It would be about 10000000000000000000000000000000 (well, a lot) lines of code to fit into a message board, and it would need some kind of binary assembler program, and it would take days to assemble, and if you got one single 0 or 1 missed out it wouldnt work, but....
What was my point again?
O.k, im just bored. BTW, I think ABTM was referring to Kazza as 'Designed to distribute warez'. At least, that would make more sense...
I was downloading a 210MB file off it the other day. My computer only connected to _1_ other peer to download, and _0_ to upload. Occasionally someone would connect and I would upload to them at ~10KB/s.
There were 10 other people on the network, 7 were still downloading. Now, I have pretty fast upstream, 640kbit. Yet, nobody downloaded off me. And even when they did, it was just one person, not enough to use my upstream to anywhere near capacity.
As for my download speeds, I never saw it go over 14KB/s.
Yes, I had all ports routed.
My BT experience isn't all bad though; I downloaded RedHat 9 when it first became available. Downstream I was pulling 350KB/s, but again, upstream was only 40KB/s.
In short? BT needs to work on their upstream utilisation.
for me BT works great, full bandwidth utilization, and emule runs at about 1.0 kbyte download and uncapped upload that can get up to 45 kbyte, but i keep it capped at 10 because it annoys me that a file takes 4 weeks to download.
its not a big deal, i can leave my computer on 4 weeks... but still....
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<!--QuoteBegin--Guspaz+May 21 2003, 10:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guspaz @ May 21 2003, 10:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I like BT, only it needs major work.
I was downloading a 210MB file off it the other day. My computer only connected to _1_ other peer to download, and _0_ to upload. Occasionally someone would connect and I would upload to them at ~10KB/s.
There were 10 other people on the network, 7 were still downloading. Now, I have pretty fast upstream, 640kbit. Yet, nobody downloaded off me. And even when they did, it was just one person, not enough to use my upstream to anywhere near capacity.
As for my download speeds, I never saw it go over 14KB/s.
Yes, I had all ports routed.
My BT experience isn't all bad though; I downloaded RedHat 9 when it first became available. Downstream I was pulling 350KB/s, but again, upstream was only 40KB/s.
In short? BT needs to work on their upstream utilisation. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think the bit torrent algorithm is designed to distribute the pieces of the files as quickly as posisble across the peers. The precedence for which piece you look for next may be determined by the rarity of the piece among the peers, so it might have you each getting rare pieces from someone else, possibly the seed, and you all might be maxing out your downloading bandwidth. Once the initial distribution investment is over though, the optimisation should pick up dramatically. You may have just finished the download before everyone else was ready to get pieces from you. I've always found it to use every little bit of bandwidht I've got. Sometimes even browsing becomes a problem because of it.
edonkey is better for long term distribution, but BT is far better for high demand, short term distribution.
EDIT: One reason for this is that everyone doesn't have to connect to a central server -- they just have to download the same bittorrent file and they're all autmomatically peers.
<!--QuoteBegin--Guspaz+May 21 2003, 04:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guspaz @ May 21 2003, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I like BT, only it needs major work.
I was downloading a 210MB file off it the other day. My computer only connected to _1_ other peer to download, and _0_ to upload. Occasionally someone would connect and I would upload to them at ~10KB/s.
There were 10 other people on the network, 7 were still downloading. Now, I have pretty fast upstream, 640kbit. Yet, nobody downloaded off me. And even when they did, it was just one person, not enough to use my upstream to anywhere near capacity.
As for my download speeds, I never saw it go over 14KB/s.
Yes, I had all ports routed.
My BT experience isn't all bad though; I downloaded RedHat 9 when it first became available. Downstream I was pulling 350KB/s, but again, upstream was only 40KB/s.
In short? BT needs to work on their upstream utilisation. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> A tip Try increasing uploads The default is something like 4 I think Try increasing it to something like 14 and it might help... Anyway I mostly download files with lots of seeds so what do I know ? hehe Anyway here's a unofficial <a href='http://ei.kefro.st/projects/btclient/' target='_blank'>Experimental client</a> It adds some stuff like easily changing upload speed from the gui
Monse needs to get this annouced on the front page of Slashdot if he can. Slashdot has been using bittorrent lately and any time I use a slashdot BT link its crazy fast thanks to the high number of users. A BT release for 1.1 would be pretty sweet, and would save Monse a bunch of bandwidth.
i really love torrent, and to be honest, I think it would be really nice for any kind of large release, like a mod. USUALLY, at the time of a new release, everyone rushes to the download site, locking up servers and slots, etc etc. Even if you get lucky enough to connect to a server, your download is pretty slow.
Same scenario on torrent: The torrent files themselves are what, 15-20 kb a piece. Hardly going to lock up servers like a 200 meg mod release. Plus, all the people downloading the file, would also be uploading, therefore, everyone is getting the same file (CRC checked) at the same time, higher speeds, and just plain faster.
Conclusion: i approve the idea! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
[edit] After i first saw this post, I decided to try to create my own torrent files and basicly just see how hard it was to manage the p2p, etc of it all. It's really simple and any webserver op with any basic level of network knowledge can do so. I kinda created a few test clients here: <a href='http://regis.planetdns.net:6969/' target='_blank'>http://regis.planetdns.net:6969/</a> [/edit]
<!--QuoteBegin--Exploding-Man+May 28 2003, 02:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Exploding-Man @ May 28 2003, 02:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thats how I dled the current HL patch (Kazaa) so Ive used it for legitimate reasons definately. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think you are mad...do you know how easy it would have been for someone to place a virus or a cdkey stealer into that? Download off trusted sites...much safer..
The BT idea however is a great one. BT files are very safe, as long as you get the "official" one. It'd only be a short term solution however, which is when the mirror's come in to save the day! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
The problem I have with p2p filesharing is the other users don't tend to stay online long enough for me to download anything like the size of a mod install.
Uuhm Lets see... NS would have about 123012904189248 downloads an hour ( uuh... Whatever ) You get a problem if ONE of those disconnects ? Hmmmmm... Whaha ?
<!--QuoteBegin--Jower+May 28 2003, 03:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jower @ May 28 2003, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Uuhm Lets see... NS would have about 123012904189248 downloads an hour ( uuh... Whatever ) You get a problem if ONE of those disconnects ? Hmmmmm... Whaha ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Huh?! O_O
I'm refering to Jabba He says he can't download things cause people disconnect before he gets it But my point is that there will be so many downloading it so everyone just CAN'T disconnect at the same time hehe
BitTorrent sounds identical to a method used by either FileFront or Red Swoosh (or does FileFront use Red Swoosh??) Anyway, it provided max bandwidth on my cable connection, so it rocks. This "file swarm" or transient P2P networking stuff does indeed work.
I personally wonder, given the asymmetry of the cable connection, how you can receive more than you give. I guess my upload is still faster than a dozen dialups.
my BT client has a "share rating" which is just the ratio of uploaded to downloaded, and if it is over 1 then you are helping the community, and under 1 means you are more mainly leeching. it is highly reccomended that when your download finishes, if it wont hurt you physically, to leave the BT client open and uploading untill you reach 1.1 or more.
i left my last one on over night and ended up downloading 1.3GB and uploading 3.5GB, i imagine the community went much more smoothly because of my donation of upload capacity, and i sleep better at night knowing i got my moneys worth from 45$ roadrunner.
<!--QuoteBegin--Zel+May 28 2003, 11:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zel @ May 28 2003, 11:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i imagine the community went much more smoothly because of my donation of upload capacity, and i sleep better at night knowing i got my moneys worth from 45$ roadrunner. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> damn straight! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Jower+May 28 2003, 03:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jower @ May 28 2003, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Uuhm Lets see... NS would have about 123012904189248 downloads an hour ( uuh... Whatever ) You get a problem if ONE of those disconnects ? Hmmmmm... Whaha ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The problem is that as soon as someone downloads the install, they're obviously going to be eager to play as soon as they can. So rather than leave the bittorrent up and get a 300 ping to the nearest server, people are doing to close the window the moment the file completes. The result is that after the initial rush of downloads, the torrent will be mostly dead.
But since that initial rush is what we're concerned about, who cares?
I just used BT to download movies of The Star Wars Kid (google if you don't know), and that's an <i>old</i> meme. I got solid high speeds, very smooth. So yeah, I think this might be an extremely hip idea. Certainly worth a try anyways I would think.
<!--QuoteBegin--404NotFound+May 18 2003, 03:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (404NotFound @ May 18 2003, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, i found that <a href='http://btplusplus.sourceforge.net/' target='_blank'>THIS</a> bit torrent client is much better... same underlying code, but a better GUI and control. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> BT++ is buggy and unstable. The creator has even said that you should other clients until he gets around to updating the program.
I suggest the far more stable <a href='http://ei.kefro.st/projects/btclient/' target='_blank'>experimental BT client</a>.
Comments
That would blow...
There are free fileplanet servers though and I'm pretty sure NS is somewhere on there seeing as how everything is...
"But NS shall forever remain free for the worshippers of the one true god"
-The Book Of Flayra 13:4
It would be about 10000000000000000000000000000000 (well, a lot) lines of code to fit into a message board, and it would need some kind of binary assembler program, and it would take days to assemble, and if you got one single 0 or 1 missed out it wouldnt work, but....
What was my point again?
O.k, im just bored. BTW, I think ABTM was referring to Kazza as 'Designed to distribute warez'. At least, that would make more sense...
hehe
Anyway it would be faster in hex...
I was downloading a 210MB file off it the other day. My computer only connected to _1_ other peer to download, and _0_ to upload. Occasionally someone would connect and I would upload to them at ~10KB/s.
There were 10 other people on the network, 7 were still downloading. Now, I have pretty fast upstream, 640kbit. Yet, nobody downloaded off me. And even when they did, it was just one person, not enough to use my upstream to anywhere near capacity.
As for my download speeds, I never saw it go over 14KB/s.
Yes, I had all ports routed.
My BT experience isn't all bad though; I downloaded RedHat 9 when it first became available. Downstream I was pulling 350KB/s, but again, upstream was only 40KB/s.
In short? BT needs to work on their upstream utilisation.
its not a big deal, i can leave my computer on 4 weeks... but still....
I was downloading a 210MB file off it the other day. My computer only connected to _1_ other peer to download, and _0_ to upload. Occasionally someone would connect and I would upload to them at ~10KB/s.
There were 10 other people on the network, 7 were still downloading. Now, I have pretty fast upstream, 640kbit. Yet, nobody downloaded off me. And even when they did, it was just one person, not enough to use my upstream to anywhere near capacity.
As for my download speeds, I never saw it go over 14KB/s.
Yes, I had all ports routed.
My BT experience isn't all bad though; I downloaded RedHat 9 when it first became available. Downstream I was pulling 350KB/s, but again, upstream was only 40KB/s.
In short? BT needs to work on their upstream utilisation. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think the bit torrent algorithm is designed to distribute the pieces of the files as quickly as posisble across the peers. The precedence for which piece you look for next may be determined by the rarity of the piece among the peers, so it might have you each getting rare pieces from someone else, possibly the seed, and you all might be maxing out your downloading bandwidth. Once the initial distribution investment is over though, the optimisation should pick up dramatically. You may have just finished the download before everyone else was ready to get pieces from you. I've always found it to use every little bit of bandwidht I've got. Sometimes even browsing becomes a problem because of it.
EDIT: One reason for this is that everyone doesn't have to connect to a central server -- they just have to download the same bittorrent file and they're all autmomatically peers.
I was downloading a 210MB file off it the other day. My computer only connected to _1_ other peer to download, and _0_ to upload. Occasionally someone would connect and I would upload to them at ~10KB/s.
There were 10 other people on the network, 7 were still downloading. Now, I have pretty fast upstream, 640kbit. Yet, nobody downloaded off me. And even when they did, it was just one person, not enough to use my upstream to anywhere near capacity.
As for my download speeds, I never saw it go over 14KB/s.
Yes, I had all ports routed.
My BT experience isn't all bad though; I downloaded RedHat 9 when it first became available. Downstream I was pulling 350KB/s, but again, upstream was only 40KB/s.
In short? BT needs to work on their upstream utilisation. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A tip
Try increasing uploads
The default is something like 4 I think
Try increasing it to something like 14 and it might help...
Anyway I mostly download files with lots of seeds so what do I know ?
hehe
Anyway here's a unofficial <a href='http://ei.kefro.st/projects/btclient/' target='_blank'>Experimental client</a>
It adds some stuff like easily changing upload speed from the gui
And about edonkey
Try overnet
I think it's better
Same scenario on torrent:
The torrent files themselves are what, 15-20 kb a piece. Hardly going to lock up servers like a 200 meg mod release. Plus, all the people downloading the file, would also be uploading, therefore, everyone is getting the same file (CRC checked) at the same time, higher speeds, and just plain faster.
Conclusion: i approve the idea! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
[edit] After i first saw this post, I decided to try to create my own torrent files and basicly just see how hard it was to manage the p2p, etc of it all. It's really simple and any webserver op with any basic level of network knowledge can do so. I kinda created a few test clients here: <a href='http://regis.planetdns.net:6969/' target='_blank'>http://regis.planetdns.net:6969/</a> [/edit]
I think you are mad...do you know how easy it would have been for someone to place a virus or a cdkey stealer into that? Download off trusted sites...much safer..
The BT idea however is a great one. BT files are very safe, as long as you get the "official" one. It'd only be a short term solution however, which is when the mirror's come in to save the day! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Lets see...
NS would have about 123012904189248 downloads an hour ( uuh... Whatever )
You get a problem if ONE of those disconnects ?
Hmmmmm...
Whaha ?
Lets see...
NS would have about 123012904189248 downloads an hour ( uuh... Whatever )
You get a problem if ONE of those disconnects ?
Hmmmmm...
Whaha ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Huh?!
O_O
He says he can't download things cause people disconnect before he gets it
But my point is that there will be so many downloading it so everyone just CAN'T disconnect at the same time
hehe
I personally wonder, given the asymmetry of the cable connection, how you can receive more than you give. I guess my upload is still faster than a dozen dialups.
i left my last one on over night and ended up downloading 1.3GB and uploading 3.5GB, i imagine the community went much more smoothly because of my donation of upload capacity, and i sleep better at night knowing i got my moneys worth from 45$ roadrunner.
damn straight! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Lets see...
NS would have about 123012904189248 downloads an hour ( uuh... Whatever )
You get a problem if ONE of those disconnects ?
Hmmmmm...
Whaha ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The problem is that as soon as someone downloads the install, they're obviously going to be eager to play as soon as they can. So rather than leave the bittorrent up and get a 300 ping to the nearest server, people are doing to close the window the moment the file completes. The result is that after the initial rush of downloads, the torrent will be mostly dead.
But since that initial rush is what we're concerned about, who cares?
*sorry*
hehe
BT++ is buggy and unstable. The creator has even said that you should other clients until he gets around to updating the program.
I suggest the far more stable <a href='http://ei.kefro.st/projects/btclient/' target='_blank'>experimental BT client</a>.