A Few Gripes Of My Own
fo_sheezy_my_neezy
Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">humor on the NS boards</div> never understood a few things
1) how do you post 100+ posts a day (people must to be in the 1000s), and still play? I know I'd rather play than post, and then I get the shaft as people say "if you participated in the community more, you'd get xxxx opportunity". Don't see how spending all my time posting instead of playing would make me better qualified for opportunities that arise (no specifics).
2) Why do people use bots? Never seem to do anything useful, and when the pub servers are just a few clicks (and maybe a dialtone) away, why not use them?
3) Why does everyone look at the changelogs and whine? I hate to say it, because I love reading about the changes, but maybe it was a bad idea to trun the public loose so early. People see words, and don't seem to try to fit those words into their rightful place along with the rest of the changes. "OMG, fades are 75 now? I quit NS", "OMG, marines don't drop weapons, NS 1.1 sucks and I quit." It makes me not want to read the boards. I DO think a mod needs to listen to it's community, but when the community is whining based on pure speculation, it gets mighty tiresome. I'd like to use this opportunity to ask the community to take a deep breath, trust the PTs and the Vets, not to mention the Devs, and refrain from whining. Either that, or Flayra, please close our access to the 1.1 beta boards.
Whew, my ranting is done........
1) how do you post 100+ posts a day (people must to be in the 1000s), and still play? I know I'd rather play than post, and then I get the shaft as people say "if you participated in the community more, you'd get xxxx opportunity". Don't see how spending all my time posting instead of playing would make me better qualified for opportunities that arise (no specifics).
2) Why do people use bots? Never seem to do anything useful, and when the pub servers are just a few clicks (and maybe a dialtone) away, why not use them?
3) Why does everyone look at the changelogs and whine? I hate to say it, because I love reading about the changes, but maybe it was a bad idea to trun the public loose so early. People see words, and don't seem to try to fit those words into their rightful place along with the rest of the changes. "OMG, fades are 75 now? I quit NS", "OMG, marines don't drop weapons, NS 1.1 sucks and I quit." It makes me not want to read the boards. I DO think a mod needs to listen to it's community, but when the community is whining based on pure speculation, it gets mighty tiresome. I'd like to use this opportunity to ask the community to take a deep breath, trust the PTs and the Vets, not to mention the Devs, and refrain from whining. Either that, or Flayra, please close our access to the 1.1 beta boards.
Whew, my ranting is done........
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My small cable server 66.177.40.92:27017 Depot's Nutz NS v 1.04 uses RCBots, but there's not enough space available here to tell you why, so let me give you just a few reasons <ul><li>They DON'T talk back, talk smack, or even swear as far as that goes<li>If you waypoint them, they listen and go, quickly, directly, with NO back talk<li>If you tell them to defend any piece of equipment, they won't wonder off<li>The marine bots aim better than any human you'll come across<li>When a human joins the server, they gladly leave to make a spot available<li>When they build, they do NOT use resources! That's right, a FREE prototype lab dood!<li>It gives the noobs a chance to be noobs, without getting slammed, humiliated, or run off.</ul>
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2) Bots are good for practicing things that could humiliate you in public
3) (some...most) Regular members are stupid
They DON'T talk back, talk smack, or even swear as far as that goes<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They have programed insults, so that's not true
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I live to see the day that happens....
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True enough...
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Many people can aim better than them. Including me.
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I'll take your word for it. I've never played with one in a public server before.
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wth.... what kind of bots have you been using? The two I know of don't do that.
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Very true.
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Yes I agree. For those of us that can not reply to the beta boards it has been torture since we can't voice our opinions on it. I understand it was restricted to reduce spam. Some of us are just eager to participate, but if its there like a icecream sandwich and we can't reach it...I'd rather have it out of sight.
I live to see the day that happens....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Come to my server, and I'll show you. RCBots marines are excellent at finding waypoints, IF you know how to waypoint them (like humans, duh). <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Many people can aim better than them. Including me.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->The point I'm making is that the marine bots are VERY good at aiming, better than MOST humans. Join as a skulk, and see how you do. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->wth.... what kind of bots have you been using? The two I know of don't do that.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->As I've stated numerous times, my server uses RCBots, and the marine comm does NOT use any resources to build! I believe the gorges likewise do not. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
still, they wont beat a human with a great mouse / sensitivty / mousepad with a great tactical mind... EVER
Have a look at the members list. Sort by Posts in descending order. Top is Flayra (surprise) - 5678 posts as I write this, or 11.4 posts a day. But he's been here a while.
Sirus - playtester, joined November last year. 2456 posts - or 12 posts per day.
Liku - pleeb, joined jan this year, 2281 posts, average 15.6 per day (60% in off topic)
Nobody clocks up more than 20 posts per day on average on my brief peruse of the list ('th@ annoying kid' on 17 a day ranks highest that i saw). And even 20 a day doesnt seem like that much work given there are 12 forums with ongoing active discussion on a broad range of topics.
It's really not that hard after a while.
I'm pretty consistent with the forums, when I get back from classes I'll scroll through real fast, mousewheel + latest topic is incredibly fast.
Or, like right now, I check the forums before I go to bed.
Not to mention, If you're active on all forums, especially the creation ones, you get to give alot of feedback to the creative aspect of the community, and if its important, you get to increase your post count
As for bots, I still don't get it. there are a ton of n00b-friendly servers out there, and a ton of people willing to teach newer people. I don't get how you can even begin to simulate reall gameplay with bots. I'm not really talking about server bots, that's a WHOLE different story (short of it is, I hate getting on a server woth 16/18 slots full, and they're all bots), I'm talking about lan gaming with them. Maybe I got a really early version of RCBOT for NS, but last I checked, when kharaa got 13 res they went gorge, and never built anything. Marines didn't do anything either, but sit around and kill you when you got near them with their lightening fast aim and trigger response. The bots aren't programmed to try tactics, like hiding above doors, or building defense chambers beneath the hives or in key areas. They're not programmed to have a commander and relocate to a hive, or secure dual res nodes. I honestly don't see the benefit at all. It worries me when I see posts of people saying they spend 4 hours a day with bots.
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As to why we play with bots and why our team wrote WhichBot in the first place, we mainly use it so we can bulk out the number of players in LAN games and have a bigger marine team. It can be more fun to play with your friends than having to deal with the whole "omg h4x" type players that you sadly see so often on pub servers.
With one human alien player and 3+ bots from v0.3 onwards, the marines do not win every game, although admittedly they have a high win % now more of our players have more practice.
I do and I don't agree with closing the boards. There are those that frequent these forums that cannot control themselves when it comes to saying "I quit NS because 1.1 is going to change xxx feature" or "it's changing too much, 1.04 is balanced now" or whatever instead of posting something quasi-constructive like a suggestion about a balance feature instead of spewing off how it sucks and how much they like 1.04 or what have you. However, there are those of us that wouldn't frequent these boards or play much of the game at ALL unless they saw some progress on the game. If we see no changes about the game and are expected to sit back and wait without any word ("faith" seems to be a common word used here) from the devs/PT then it gets kinda boring, and that means a loss of player/fan base, which they obviously don't want. Maybe they need a filter like "If poster post count < 100 AND signup date < May 15 THEN delete post if post contain string ('1.1')". <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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OOOOHHH, FLAME ALERT FLAME ALERT! I wasn't whining or complaining, I was voicing my opinion that it really does no good to play with bots, as it really doesn't help you against live players, and I was backing it up. Please don't flame me, it shows major immaturity. I think the title of this thread was "A few gripes of my own", so if you didn't want to read my gripes, it was your option to not enter.
OOOOHHH, FLAME ALERT FLAME ALERT! I wasn't whining or complaining, I was voicing my opinion that it really does no good to play with bots, as it really doesn't help you against live players, and I was backing it up. Please don't flame me, it shows major immaturity. I think the title of this thread was "A few gripes of my own", so if you didn't want to read my gripes, it was your option to not enter. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bots are still useful for someone new to Comm. It gives you time to log into the Com-Chair and familiarize yourself with the Com-interface, map layout and marine structures/upgrades/weapons.
In other words it is useful as a basic learning tool. As others have said you get to do this in private without worrying about other players throwing a fit because you are new.
I'm sure there are some newbie-friendly servers out there, but I make it a point to at least try learn some things on my own before asking someone else. Besides, even newbie-friendly people are probably not going to be happy with me if I say "wait five minutes while I study the map!" now are they ?
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In other words it is useful as a basic learning tool. As others have said you get to do this in private without worrying about other players throwing a fit because you are new. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That and they're wonderful for an experienced comm who doesn't have a private team to train with. If I want to test out the timing, or cost of a new strategy, I just need one or two friends and 10 bots. The bots sure can't make up any of the lost human factors; but they attack and defend well enough for someone to test a strategies fundamentals. It's easier to tell bots, "We're relocating to the most abstract vent in the map, to see if the siege cannons can reach from there," than it is to tell a human team that. As they'll be angry for you wasting their time, and eject you flat out.
As to the 1.1 forums... I read them, but I don't complain (too much). I figure if they (the developers) made the game this good so far odds are they know what they're doing.