Ns Crash And Comp Broken

nsscrewedovermycomp · June 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">...</div> i had this computer for two years now, it never crashed, and i kept it in good shape by defrag etc. Then one day, silly me, i download NS. On my 5th day of playing, i my ns freezes, then a horizontal grid forms around my mouse pointer. Afterwords i get an hl error, and the grid follows me into windows. So i decide to restart, and i enter into 640x480 res, 16 colours, and 60hz. I cant change it no matter what. So, i reinstall video card + motherboard drivers. same thing... i format... cant get rid of that stupid screen. Basically, i installed my video card drivers, and i see that they are on the hard drive. when i try to double click the icon to open the properties it doesnt open... the video card isnt listed in the display, setting, advanced tabs, but it is however in device manager. Also if i click on adapter in those options, it shows vga, but it doesnt display its Adapter information.. if i click on properties it says that vgasave is working fine, and its set to system...
Also, int he monitors tab it has default monitor or something, and it wont let me isntall new monitor drivers, because i think there is something wrong with my video card. Well anyways i hope i get some help, and answers why ns did this to me.

1.211ghz
gf2 mx400 64mb
256sd ram
asus motherboard
win2k

PS: i heard problems like this happened to other people.

nsscrewedovermycomp · June 2003

Talesin · June 2003

Well, it's pretty hard to believe that a mod for Half-Life could render your computer 'unfixable'. Make sure that you aren't booting into safe mode every time you start the system (which can't be switched out of 640x480x16 for safety reasons), uninstall the drivers, reinstall the drivers, uninstall the drivers, and reinstall the newest drivers. This is to clear out any lingering DLLs from the old ones, if you'd just installed the new over the top, when trying to fix it previously.

Also, what type of monitor do you have? I'm not sure if the nVidia drivers permit you to do this, but the ATI Catalysts let you set up your monitor even if it is not known by windoze, so long as you know the specs for it.

The other remote possibility is that your video card (if old, as it appears) may have finally decided to give out. This is made more likely if you overclocked it at all. However, this is again a VERY REMOTE possibility. As in, would not happen excepting if the video card were on its last legs already.

Much more likely is that you just crashed, got kicked into safe mode, and panicked when you didn't have your usual resolution/color depth, and just compounded the problem by mucking with the drivers while in that state.

nsscrewedovermycomp · June 2003

i dont think im in safe mode, because my safe mode has a safe mode background that reads safe mode <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

yes i tried the uninstall/reinstall thing about 15 times with all kinds of drivers, old ones, new ones, etc. I think this problem only occurs with gf2, the comm addition in ns has something to do with it. O well, time to waste 250 canadian an on ati 9500 pro! ... is it worth it? or are there better ones at around the same price?

nsscrewedovermycomp · June 2003

<DRT-Spade> **** I have seen that too
<DRT-Spade> on my firends pc
<DRT-Spade> it was like that too
<max`sad> what card did ur friend have
<DRT-Spade> vodoo

K IM NOT THE ONLY ONE, found 3 ppl in 20 minutes.

dont think older video cards can handle it, so they die.

Maus · June 2003

My old voodoo3, my current gf2mx 200, and by brother's ageing ati can all handle it, so that's probably not the problem.

Oh, and mysticssghyest - replacing a baleeted sig with TWO sigs that are too big isn't so smart, y'know. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

DarkFrost · June 2003

lol
im guessing you played games alot, like overly much, as did your two friends there, im also betting you have cooked your videocards graphic capability, and windows can only use the one its giving you. rofl, never heard anything so rediculous. "NS broke my pc"....... /me composes himself
ahem, yes you play games to much and have over done your GFX card, and before you say anyhting, 3 people out of millions of gamers is coincedence.
GF2 mx400 was a poorly designed card for low end gfx performance. hence cheepness
GF2 GTS/Pro was the high performance GF2 series's. hence costlyness
god even the mx200 was better than the 400........

nsscrewedovermycomp · June 2003

how old are you? do you know what your talking about? Do you know what mx means?

im in 3 channels just posting topics and ppl pm me, saying they had the same problem. Dont reply, ever.

DarkFrost · June 2003

im 21, work for a UK computer servicing company. the MX models are the LOW end nVidia gfx cards, they were made as a budget range, and although the GF2 MX's are comparible to the GF4 MX's that doesnt mean either are good.
its like a cyrix cpu against an intel cpu.

DarkFrost · June 2003

either way your GFX card is dead. caused by
A)Overclocking your CPU and inturn the PCI/AGP slot.
B)Over use of the GFX card on VERY graphic intensive software, and NS just tipped it over the edge after words
C)Overclocked the core memory of the GFX card, as if it was the GPU you wouldnt even get 640x480 res, youd get nothing.
D)the card was just on its last legs and had had enough.
he same applies to most GFX card related problems.
oh and yes get either the latest radeon or GeForce, both are comparable to eachother, the radeon i guess being slightly better.

nsscrewedovermycomp · June 2003

you sounded like you were twelve in your first post. Oh and i play games usually around 6 hours a week, and leave my computer on around 20 hours a week. So i have no idea what your talking about. But my gf2 might be too old as the first reply said.

SO WHAT VIDEO CARD DO U GUYS SUGGEST FOR AROUND 250 CANADIAN THATS 200 AMERICAN

Talesin · June 2003

I'd suggest a R9500 Pro, myself. But they're getting harder to come by as they're phased out in favor of the R9600 Pro (which cost more, and actually are not as beefy). They also whomp all over the equivalent-price nVidiot card, in terms of performance and cooling. ^_^

Though if you do, as it's been said many times before, do NOT use Cat3.4 for the drivers. Go to the 'old versions', and use Cat3.1. Most stable version out there, as it was their 'fix the bugs' version, rather than adding in new crud (which they've been doing in Cat3.2 and 3.4... not fully successfully).

Mercior · June 2003

I used to have a geforce 2 mx and it while it was surprisingly good performance-wise, it did start overheating and causing graphical glitches after about 8/10 months of us.. perhaps these cards just die fast.

As for a new card, I would recommend you stay nvidia if you mostly play half life because half of the radeon drivers simply dont run half life, and the other half can be very unstable when they are running it. NVidia drivers are very half-life friendly <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Talesin · June 2003

Odd, that, as I've been on ATI since my Rage Fury MAXX (dual Rage128 SLI card), and the drivers had never given me a single problem with HL.
Other things, sure. But that *was* quite a bit before the Catalyst drivers as well. Unless the 'half' you're referring to is the extreme pre-Catalyst stuff... even hearkening back before the standard Rage128 line.

It's simple. A Radeon with the Catalyst 3.1 drivers will perform faster, and just as reliably (if not moreso) as the similarly-priced nVidia card. You'll get smoother framerates, higher image quality, lower frame-hit FSAA/Anisotropic filtering, and be able to play games at higher resolutions (aka: prettier all-around).

ATI is second only to Matrox in image quality, and now it's beating out nVidia on its own turf with the Dawn demo. They support and adhere to an open standard (as opposed to nVidia's closed-standard, 'Cg'), and have always run *silently*... as opposed to Tom's review of even the GFFX5900, which they call an 'acceptable' level of noise. Which, knowing Tom's penchants- *coughselloutcough* -most likely means 'marginally quieter than the dustbuster'.

It's a simple choice, when you look at the facts, and ignore the standing fanboys.

Mullet · June 2003

Get Geforce 4 Ti 4600 or 4200....I have both and they are probably the most stable video cards ive used yet. (although i havnt used the new ATI cards <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> )

nsscrewedovermycomp · June 2003

i said around 250 canadian... thats 400 bucks.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'>

Mullet · June 2003

I got my 4600 for 170 dollars. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'>

nsscrewedovermycomp · June 2003

CANADIAN!?!?!? HOLY COW WHAT STORE? WHERE? ADDRESS???!
PHONE NUMBER!!!!!?

Deronok · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Jun 11 2003, 03:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I got my 4600 for 170 dollars. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
It costs more in Canada due to it having to be imported to stores and crap :\ my frined has the same prob with video games and tells me how it's a pain to get games/upgrade his comp.

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