"dont' Kill Them Yet!"

Tiax · June 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">Sigh</div> Is it just me or are there more and more people who say this now? Dont' kill them yet, I want XXXXX. Or even better, the ones who want to just sit and spawn kill rather then 'win' the game because its more fun.

My favorite was this one guy, on alien he tells us not to kill the IP because its more fun. I kill it anyway. Next round he is on marine and he complains and whines when the aliens spawn camp him.

Marine0I · June 2003

It's not just you Tiax - ppl are bored to hell with 1.04 and just seem to be stuffing around. I hear that "dont finish them" about 3-4 times a night.

I for one ALWAYS finish. Lets get this over and get another round on the tables <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Ironwolf · June 2003

Ip camping without detroying the Ip --> F4

Aegeri · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Jun 17 2003, 07:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> It's not just you Tiax - ppl are bored to hell with 1.04 and just seem to be stuffing around. I hear that "dont finish them" about 3-4 times a night.

I for one ALWAYS finish. Lets get this over and get another round on the tables <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Yeah, I got called a n00b for doing that once <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Tiax · June 2003

Maybe we should make a list of all these losers

One other thing...what the heck is the point in Admin_vote_kick?

What good does kicking a person do? I mean...if they get vote kicked they come right back in. Then you gotta wait to kick them again, and hope they don't bind a macro and attempt to vote kick someone else first, thus restartnig the timer.

Totally useless!

Mastodon · June 2003

Yes, people are bored with 1.04. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

Roger_Dodger · June 2003

Yeh i hate seeing this therefore i ram a big fat f4 where the sun dont shine and we get to ready room and they whinge about stoopid f4ers... When will the pain stop... 1.1 perhaps...

- RD

FlyFlown · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aegeri @ Jun 17 2003, 07:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Jun 17 2003, 07:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> It's not just you Tiax - ppl are bored to hell with 1.04 and just seem to be stuffing around. I hear that "dont finish them" about 3-4 times a night.

I for one ALWAYS finish. Lets get this over and get another round on the tables <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Yeah, I got called a n00b for doing that once <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Yeah, same here. People just seem to like to kill marines without fighting.. I dont understand tbh.

lolfighter · June 2003

All that "let's spawnkill them forever instead of ending the game don't kill the ip ffs"-stuff is so easy to counter: On the losing team, F4 is perfectly legitimate. On the winning team, it only takes one alien to kill unguarded ips - you! If the admins kick you for killing ips in that situation, forget about the server, it's not worth worrying about bs like that.

Cronos · June 2003

Depends on the situation.

There are times when I gorge (however rarely) when I'm busy capping RT's and woling the place up, I wonder why the marines arent spawning, or are mostly dead, or I'm even told "LOL why are you building a WoL?". If I scream "Dont Kill them Yet" it's only becuase I want to get to marine spawn and join in the fun of destroying the marine base, not to lame it up...

It's lame whent it's a spawn camp fest, I agree with that, but if both teams agree to have some "Fun" and allow marines to spawn and LA/LMG rush, it should be fine.

Spawn Camp IP --> Not Good

Spawn Camp to kill IP's --> Acceptable

Dont Kill Them! To get a piece of the action --> OK

Dont Kill Them! To Be lame --> No

Dont Kill Them! When both teams agree --> Ok

lolfighter · June 2003

There are times when I am a gorge where I spend the entire game never seeing more than one or two marines because my team keeps 'em away from me. I consider those games to be successes. And if the game suddenly ends because I didn't notice that the marine team got slaughtered while I was happily slurping away at a chamber sometimes (happens a lot), I consider it a success too. I was the gorge and my team won = I don't suck. I would never ask my team to stop winning so I could get a piece of the action.

esuna · June 2003

I'm one of these people that screams "don't kill them!". This is mainly because this usually happens on the initial skulk rush so the game's been going for <1minute. To me, this isn't fun, so usually i protest to make them not kill them, just screw them over a bit, destroy other buildings / res towers and so on.[EDIT] And then leave the area, allowing them to spawn in peace.[/EDIT]

But then again, i'm usually a gorge these days, so i rarely see any action unless the games been going over 10 minutes or so.

lolfighter · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (::esuna:: @ Jun 17 2003, 04:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm one of these people that screams "don't kill them!". This is mainly because this usually happens on the initial skulk rush so the game's been going for <1minute. To me, this isn't fun, so usually i protest to make them not kill them, just screw them over a bit, destroy other buildings / res towers and so on.[EDIT] And then leave the area, allowing them to spawn in peace.[/EDIT]

But then again, i'm usually a gorge these days, so i rarely see any action unless the games been going over 10 minutes or so.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
But if you break down the entire marine base save a few IPs, aren't the marines so far behind that the game is decided anyway? Better to end the game and start out even once again than having a long-decided game last another twenty minutes.

Ollj · June 2003

Sometimes ppl deserve to get ip camped.
When they lost the game though they had full upgrades and 2 hives.
When they exploited or behaved awfull and lost.
...

When most ppl say "dnt kill the observatory, we want to destress" than just dont kill it !!!

lolfighter · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ollj @ Jun 17 2003, 04:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Sometimes ppl deserve to get ip camped.
When they lost the game though they had full upgrades and 2 hives.[...]  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
No. If they lose that, they have been punished enough already.

ZERG · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (::esuna:: @ Jun 17 2003, 09:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm one of these people that screams "don't kill them!". This is mainly because this usually happens on the initial skulk rush so the game's been going for <1minute. To me, this isn't fun, so usually i protest to make them not kill them, just screw them over a bit, destroy other buildings / res towers and so on.[EDIT] And then leave the area, allowing them to spawn in peace.[/EDIT]

But then again, i'm usually a gorge these days, so i rarely see any action unless the games been going over 10 minutes or so.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Um so you intentionally totally screw over the other team and force them to endure 30 minutes without recovery. Oh yeah Ive had that happen to me plenty of times, I usually just sit there in spite (and grab me a pizza while Im at it <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'> ). Who cares if you win in 1 minute? You start over anyway. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

esuna · June 2003

The server i usually frequent, as much as i love it, suffers from an annoying amount of people that stack the marine team. So getting a game going with both teams even usually takes longer that these rush games where they're dead in a minute.

Besides, i consider it a setback, i've been on marine teams that win after an initial slaughter, it's very possible, and you're only ever about 1-2 minutes behind. Considering the gorge will probably not even have the 1st RT up by this point, they're not exactly far behind <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Roger_Dodger · June 2003

Another thing i really hate when i am gorge is when we have won from a rush at the start and i havent even got enuff res for a res tower...

- RD

Exitus · June 2003

Oh.. lord... I had a nice game in a Fek. clan..?? server. Admin Fek.xxxx was there. Jeah and we rushed marine base .. and then:

[Fek]XXXX Admin:"Dont Kill em..." . "Hey dont kill em.." OK I didnt kill them. But one of ur teammates got the IPs. So this this Admin dude slapped me(lost 50 hps).. For What..<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'> For killing the marines..? Is that the goal in NS..?? No it seems to be the ultimate humiliation. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

TeddyBear · June 2003

I for one am one of the people that would shout "don't kill them yet", but that's not because I want to hover over their spawn and just keep killing them ... I think that the stronger team can almost always end the game by just going to the enemy spawn and killing the ip/hive, instead I cripple them (take their rt and the stuff they allready built) and then leave them ... gives you a fun headstart and since 9/10 games I play the marines go for the jetpack/hmg-rush anyway, the gorge (if he isnt slow) has time to get 2 hives up and web them forcing the marines to choose ... either keep suciding in the webs and lame (and possibly fades) or try something better.

I think this was the initial idea behind people saying "don't finish them" ... not to just **** around and feast on the rines until they all f4 but to get a headstart instead of ending the game in 0.342 seconds (I know I was amongst the first one shouting to not kill them).
people though lots of them have interpreted this wrong and just started being lame for the sake of being lame. If you ate everything of the rines and they can not recover finish them ... if you just crippled them to get the headstart and then just leave them a while (it's not really THAT hard to recover from and if you're in a team of dink aliens you usually still manage to lose the game somehow)

What I actually find a lot more disturbing is the rine team mining the hive. ... usually only takes one or 2 rines to sneak into the hive, put the place full of mines and then just wait for aliens to spawn, ... killing them with the gun or just jumping around while reloading letting them step on the mines. ... but I happen to think that the marines are highly advantaged starting with 1 rt just like the aliens do (when the aliens have 5 nozzles, 1 gorge gets decent res, but not über-fast, a marine team with 3 nozzles gets godlike res ...) so for them it's not just "crippling" it isnt breaking one leg off and having them limp the entire match ... it's breaking all 4's and watch them try to move themselves anywhere.

If you break 1 leg off ... sure, its a bit unfair, but depending on the teams, they can still surprise you ... if you break all 4 ... might as well just finish it ... might be the best way to look at the entire concept of "not finishing them"

lolfighter · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Exitus @ Jun 17 2003, 04:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [...]So this this Admin dude slapped me(lost 50 hps).. For What..<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'> For killing the marines..?[...]  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
What's the deal? So he slapped you after the round was over. On the CS server where I was admin, we used to slap each other silly when the round was won.

Dunkin_Dynamite · June 2003

I'd like to enjoy my fading (in recent history never faded), so I tell people not to kill the IP.

Let them build in base, let them send squads out, and just kick their @ss.

More fun than ending the game suddenly or spawncamping.

"dont' Kill Them Yet!"

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